GNU bug report logs - #31614
(texinfo) dfn - the double quotes around ``deleting'' are inconsistent with (eintr) Complications ``variables''

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Package: emacs; Severity: minor; Reported by: Van L <van@HIDDEN>; dated Mon, 28 May 2018 03:59:01 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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Van L <van@HIDDEN> writes:

> I don=E2=80=99t want to create another bug report for why

There's not really a reason not to, we won't run out of bug numbers.

>   (+ 2 2)=20
>
> gives the ``complication=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 by default
>
>   4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)
>
> and not the simple
>
>   4
>
> Emacs 26.1-rc1 (NS Port) and Emacs 25.3 (Mac Port) both produce
>
>   4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)
>
> In the below, it is not possible to set=20
> `eval-expression-print-maximum-character=E2=80=99 to `nil=E2=80=99 to=20
> achieve the simple `4=E2=80=99 result.

Oh, I think I intended eval-expression-print-maximum-character to only
affect the ?\C-d part, e.g., if you set it to 0, you get

    4 (#o4, #x4)

But I see there is no way to get a plain '4' except by (setq
eval-expression-print-maximum-character nil), which is kind of an
accident.




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> Eli Zaretskii writes:
>=20
> You are saying that the Texinfo manual uses ASCII quotes, and =
therefore
> the opening and closing quotes are identical?  If so, the place to
> complain about that is the Texinfo mailing list.

The point of TeX is beautiful typesetting.

I don=E2=80=99t want to create another bug report for why

  (+ 2 2)=20

gives the ``complication=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 by default

  4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)

and not the simple

  4

Emacs 26.1-rc1 (NS Port) and Emacs 25.3 (Mac Port) both produce

  4 (#o4, #x4, ?\C-d)

In the below, it is not possible to set=20
`eval-expression-print-maximum-character=E2=80=99 to `nil=E2=80=99 to=20
achieve the simple `4=E2=80=99 result.=20
`M-x customize=E2=80=99 wants a number for 26.1-rc1 and the default is =
127.=20

  #+NAME: simple.el.gz
  #+BEGIN_SRC elisp n=3D1535
    If the resulting value is an integer, and CHAR-PRINT-LIMIT is
    non-nil (interactively, unless given a positive prefix argument)
    it will be printed in several additional formats (octal,
    hexadecimal, and character).  The character format is only used
    if the value is below CHAR-PRINT-LIMIT (interactively, if the
    prefix argument is -1 or the value is below
    `eval-expression-print-maximum-character').

  #+END_SRC

  #+NAME: eval-expression-print-maximum-character
  #+BEGIN_EXAMPLE
    eval-expression-print-maximum-character is a variable defined in =
=E2=80=98simple.el=E2=80=99.
    Its value is 127

    Documentation:
    The largest integer that will be displayed as a character.
    This affects printing by =E2=80=98eval-expression=E2=80=99 (via
    =E2=80=98eval-expression-print-format=E2=80=99).

    You can customize this variable.

    This variable was introduced, or its default value was changed, in
    version 26.1 of Emacs.

  #+END_EXAMPLE

The backtrace diff I submitted in another bug needs undoing=20
because I believe the simple `4' result is better to keep in the earlier =
lisp intro.

Details about ``complications=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 is bulk the lisp intro =
can separate into a different book.=20





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On May 28, 2018 6:56:56 AM GMT+03:00, Van L <van@scratch=2Espace> wrote:
> Hello=2E
>=20
> The beginning and ending double-quoting symbols are inconsistent for=20
>=20
>   1=2E (eintr) Complications ``variables''
>   2=2E (texinfo) dfn ''deleting''
>=20
> : 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1511) the symbol's
> value as a @dfn{variable}=2E  This situation is described
>=20
> Looking up ``@dfn{variable}=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 in ``(texinfo) dfn=E2=80=
=99=E2=80=99 the double-quoting
> used in the line has
>=20
> :      Getting rid of a file is called "deleting" it=2E
>=20
> Expect the quoting symbol for open and close to be identical since
> both are being presented in Info page format=2E
>=20
> See:
>=20
> http://emacs=2Escratch=2Espace/public/info-dfn-deleting-ugly-double-quot=
es=2Epng

You are saying that the Texinfo manual uses ASCII quotes, and therefore
the opening and closing quotes are identical?  If so, the place to
complain about that is the Texinfo mailing list=2E  There's nothing wrong
that I could spot wrt quotes in the Lisp Intro manual=2E

Thanks=2E




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On May 28, 2018 6:56:56 AM GMT+03:00, Van L <van@scratch=2Espace> wrote:
> Hello=2E
>=20
> The beginning and ending double-quoting symbols are inconsistent for=20
>=20
>   1=2E (eintr) Complications ``variables''
>   2=2E (texinfo) dfn ''deleting''
>=20
> : 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1511) the symbol's
> value as a @dfn{variable}=2E  This situation is described
>=20
> Looking up ``@dfn{variable}=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 in ``(texinfo) dfn=E2=80=
=99=E2=80=99 the double-quoting
> used in the line has
>=20
> :      Getting rid of a file is called "deleting" it=2E
>=20
> Expect the quoting symbol for open and close to be identical since
> both are being presented in Info page format=2E
>=20
> See:
>=20
> http://emacs=2Escratch=2Espace/public/info-dfn-deleting-ugly-double-quot=
es=2Epng

You are saying that the Texinfo manual uses ASCII quotes, and therefore
the opening and closing quotes are identical?  If so, the place to
complain about that is the Texinfo mailing list=2E  There's nothing wrong
that I could spot wrt quotes in the Lisp Intro manual=2E

Thanks=2E




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Hello.

The beginning and ending double-quoting symbols are inconsistent for=20

  1. (eintr) Complications ``variables''
  2. (texinfo) dfn ''deleting''

: 8cda6f8f (Glenn Morris             2007-09-06  1511) the symbol's =
value as a @dfn{variable}.  This situation is described

Looking up ``@dfn{variable}=E2=80=99=E2=80=99 in ``(texinfo) dfn=E2=80=99=E2=
=80=99 the double-quoting used in the line has

:      Getting rid of a file is called "deleting" it.

Expect the quoting symbol for open and close to be identical since both =
are being presented in Info page format.

See:

=
http://emacs.scratch.space/public/info-dfn-deleting-ugly-double-quotes.png=




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