Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2019 20:52:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 08 15:52:18 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52283 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ie3XN-0001E0-To for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:52:18 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:60278 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1ie3XL-0001Dk-G9 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 15:52:16 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id B1DDFFA087; Sun, 8 Dec 2019 20:52:08 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3bn7rw.fsf@HIDDEN> <9B6350E4-ED1B-4E95-974E-7531C9987655@HIDDEN> <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2vrlpya.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9qvsigm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3624zd.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 12:52:07 -0800 Message-ID: <87zhg25ymg.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> You made me nervous with this comment, but I'm going to assume >> everything works the way it's supposed to :) > > Yes, I'm assuming that, too. Didn't want to scare you. > > So, are you going to install your patch? I'll do it now. The first time I applied it on my own setup it told me it was reindexing the registry, which made me nervous again, but it only did that once, and didn't lose any data. What I think actually happened is that the fixup-registry routines ran and updated the :tracked slot and saved it properly, which might not have been happening before. Thanks for your continued patience with these problems. Don't give up on the registry! Eric
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 8 Dec 2019 15:48:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 08 10:48:42 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52095 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1idyna-0001ah-Cw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 10:48:42 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:60623) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1idynY-0001aT-Bp for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 10:48:40 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1575820105; bh=kZmPXQEi5W7eZIL2fsqALrZFw/X5kxikjpICQvQGHZE=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=QK75Cg07GjRCdl/7aesMtJNK9YVsweEcn0bck2NiYq4m0dTs5nw/8mRvuFAI6hV57 HyPaD8JuXNNTH/t4fd71WY0Jz5ymd/tAXmwX991KUIwTyn4UoFlXSyic7LNQXFOPa2 N5EDM4HPlr42vstkgYKgID1J9hIio7TVgYzX5qmI= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lir9R-1i1L7d2oqz-00d2WO; Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:48:24 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3bn7rw.fsf@HIDDEN> <9B6350E4-ED1B-4E95-974E-7531C9987655@HIDDEN> <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2vrlpya.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9qvsigm.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2019 16:48:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87v9qvsigm.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:51:21 -0800") Message-ID: <877e3624zd.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:WiCHbqsUJ4boRgvTuSkvo0bGF4xSzsncVBzDtj661IsDjSDDTgI 8YJIxAouI1+m6kVwHfrhHVTnKHOTxWMRJONaOpGBWVPShGKTL+dubtkvMytavG81rv51Jll Iq9nJL+I6yWT0v+7ebsJX1XQ7Z+A98xou/GpfdmIEX1QzsEoj3kxwZUeyiHilm8yzkDAWWS QcHp2f79AdnoYcX9sIJbA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Nu1mEzAcdLc=:kkuw+O3+i9wvvzizPCk9sC YyrnpS8t0hQXZP4jNPrQgbKRh89kRxC9QVzpjAjo/NSVCPOsQIVFOr/W3uJYcmXKZjrth6aKS W6MNILMGtMYSZQXmlzKHeoRCBGPe1kZryivR3JqoMgw5lVQhJlAclICf3JjS+b05onXtaiJSQ AI3xRm3/T6Tzlxs+nqDc2ih7/moNj/YzOgW2o7p9miSe7lyGcMY8q9o/N846zNfeZIG4inDr0 wvaMhyFpM/tmY/KKnOWJ8twmBwpLwg3hzn5eNoF+BF6GuHGAiWWOoXXVlVR4wpKiDdXfk5Ct2 gJ2oQoQDLt6lidGvD37xdjGQ8RzV1tFUj5+doiDYN/nz6dmvE5x+ssynnJ63k1xT2VfyidQzE +BYHxQchDOsK4NKmk+ZZng6+Fh73yzyYlQUhlddCDmxQMTEAtCa1tHN+lvm0g67uA1+P3s1zE nvd60VrhdduvHIC/v+uFcc3hGD5CahnVwX7lu9ehjeozIV7Syy4bZ822X4sWWqrq7L6p0F0U9 8HAX58r0xExvsgr+cct4zpzIl/64ecNcBKTqKrIlxJNlbycrBdZzu7+GrU8QHd6Xsy1MyRZ/Y qE+ZEjJ6IvsBem2aazlX0i8UPxZ0siokKltfPLL1jc3Q0dV02TOVzTR4ltaEovolrZ4Kykz6C IagGHBBpA6rdmeW5tjdO0n9uMRPD778GSc9s7+GsrQIupxy2nUm7rmzmK9g7Lc1krXOS/aXYL 2MOWEzNr0vEYajApSkvM7efCYjgtwJUyDWv8h9bCqu/ceq0NI29Mq+lAfNoc5OKuTsJWQqCj0 IMtt/3cOMCBZhiDlB4yW4HijlqTOFRh+2n70pgAbKV6tXowE7qAv0UxLcsXoK5VRKjiaRxCJn HpZ8acB8+m+tey6r1tcCnOW+020WXfsYK+STFlnsfPQzBJwsXUig00vsfBsNRmJbLLHWpv3nq SlY7iIFeFRvojuksZ10XO3zlQujNeSIOl7VJKg2W0slNUVzRBgT7JRj3L68BVBlIGAtiiE/ga PEqPCyUrebxQAMqfpPIDOpilgSiATSVnnaN/P92rtgJaJRq+TsCexKLzXhUb3XHrWuBX/mC2R ydUsoRcylDfGg0hKf0C1AJ68WlJExEV42FM+4NRclhcHkG4kiRR061X+8JNy+HZB67cLw4db/ q+10BZnPiWs1fhHPOyRVmIiTElp/IjFzC7FpHN43wlZ7Q00gzBsPCJY4wSB7GRHUwOlzs+Um9 k2GfzHOyPhMrnsN2sC+T4wbecpN9YcFbI4+w/kKaOpPgonAeXy7h+P0FHMDM= X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > You made me nervous with this comment, but I'm going to assume > everything works the way it's supposed to :) Yes, I'm assuming that, too. Didn't want to scare you. So, are you going to install your patch? Regards, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Dec 2019 00:51:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 04 19:51:30 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42823 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1icfMg-0004He-Gw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:51:30 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:45982 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1icfMf-0004HS-8i for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 19:51:29 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 6D77DFA0E4; Thu, 5 Dec 2019 00:51:22 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3bn7rw.fsf@HIDDEN> <9B6350E4-ED1B-4E95-974E-7531C9987655@HIDDEN> <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2vrlpya.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:51:21 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87y2vrlpya.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:51:25 +0100") Message-ID: <87v9qvsigm.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/04/19 22:51 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> The only integration that's lacking is auto save (which doesn't work >> well with eieio-persistent). If you quit Gnus without saving, your >> intermediate state goes into the dribble file, and you can choose to >> load that again later. But the registry doesn't work with the dribble >> file (it would be a medium amount of work to make that happen) so you'd >> lose any edits to the registry made since the last save. > > Another difference is that when you quit the summary with -Q, registry > marks are saved anyway. But I like that :-) Yes, the registry actions are immediate, while most of the other summary operations are "apply on exit". I don't think that matters, though -- the "apply on exit" actions are only related to manipulating marks, which the registry doesn't care about. The immediate actions -- delete, move, expire, spool, etc -- the registry already watches. You made me nervous with this comment, but I'm going to assume everything works the way it's supposed to :)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2019 21:51:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 04 16:51:45 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42759 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iccYi-00076B-HF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:51:44 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:58119) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iccYg-00075x-MN for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:51:43 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1575496286; bh=MGlojYx4JBNOVJKflpw93QOiQu8URIK4qjgD1rJOHpg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=iDSVJLEkYuOo+4dhL2dAxQW4Ya2Tfzw+UjllWWVSXqkMKGyfVRIDt12BsqC+rhvac MraVHjmHw9dfUXJ9aBjtNZSwL+oYTXB3EWTM/eKE6BrdpCLrH5rRnK8+bEt3PdrQ+p K8wOndbv4MFhLNrw4n7VyGgm1S0IALmbOHlnk0x8= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ma2V5-1iKoHh1ZaJ-00Lp6Q; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:51:26 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3bn7rw.fsf@HIDDEN> <9B6350E4-ED1B-4E95-974E-7531C9987655@HIDDEN> <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:51:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 13:16:41 -0800") Message-ID: <87y2vrlpya.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:FZ2cicINtiK7ATa6J4H7bMSl8kR9da+DfybqC6cHJXmDJzwO1C4 kQH7ihdsMo0WKhNdrXXFnvaVHcTQZCMk/ig9YQzUNvgo1xdtChzw95dzYku/B2S5TK+mHvF bdWZQOOjtT5dT+UJ0ojHm+J29mB1VZKC8Ka6XWewAqGqLSB4Mso3dVW8wROpsWBA5wa6fWD JiJOBb+RmsTjv8QCAfZ2w== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:K/Tm0Q8Ux2U=:maOV/ussWE0aVBBBVyKyC7 gU3nOTc0kfzsKzJQ3Rxh9xrUWoUmeRQt1nWxpxUW6EBw5yjDcY7+Xjf+oMOj+8RSLpuXeIDnx 4k8fplFX0EGEtPCNo66bjCJOk6F5hMHVsdR5a938FcEhpm2Y44uz3ylIgSYE3wjs1HfcRwmVl 2BjYtY4VN7UyNW5HhV8vFAYxw8MXEF58vVMXEKJ3IHXWKrrM2js3iRu71Whh2LiIYhibU+26x b9bjSNUO0LX2cSU7EutrrGFjSiQEdEjdpMzjVoEqVj/+4enPrjHJolzgiAM3vpP+gBU6RDlG/ v51oCo+wTOdhUniBtawALHhInFZZeupb+ByXFFehPWf+EbN2Xu7gHQ61m09rDTIq/3mROlPuO BAIVLeXMh2/KVjYu871V9PLY5QQPn2aAex/7DiudT2+nEQVpCvzgE7GgiesWuxjxBvRj74Uoc VMGQVSzCBNNrZmc00W/5hwT1lBm5N6s6lrnAsTS5n/4XV57aeqeRQXY4E6bXbJ51lWdYBIqeS w1m+BXD1ga137jEMK/MpPW4GNGsHanKVyHHgKNrF4Hl18MU6Mxsk5ZspyL56q6YXaLbKIfmes clFwisxA08ojHQHkyzDYYKIDA1cPEJxwTbpcY9vR0LcaMh76ZPLOxT19z2ywHQ2bqxCXG7xuJ dcj4grZgovG+iaqtZSiiqnaZGabeccHHdjewiHU32T5F7jXgJvfs8wk+yEcb3R9NkBkulpJaJ Bzgv6dwqnTMWJAtSh/YF7BRYwtwXu6qTXpLHRWjNsH7V9ITaYqSMecNy8fjp4byaJ6DR2nxil G77hrnUnJJ8a5wCNE8qNWHl57lR/1DMtCftmRm/4sHCjLL4ivHV0j9strQS7235/phOB9QhVK maWS+xQKZ6I7k5HPt3+BGpqD+tnl/ySmxLn38eVvpBwqCha2k8U/yqId8WXdejW/XShDpOz2G SJz3zEXEF7BP42DGdNHQcRVW7gXNkWEaRN0rtz8OMNmABxbIvNeauTh//pmXGyRXoP/pn78w2 k+DxRy2/WnXelMBitDXnkr14Tr3mCSY04PdxWhRb5PkQsdK7lwxxZaEViBMgjLdXjwBiii2BN BSau4eIqwRXSvKTosYux0jF8/eTO9RIiRysvvByEj5vwOq2zD262tW7YzH6LfCOB3Ep+4wUAG iOQmSNUCbYacbKq24E75N4yDc0uCmRg6ECXJwHdzJc0NxHQ5gYPsXD7KIBlzk8Zs1L7SxAzJz EP1VaqOn4dKGbHMjqoiaE7DTapwVOpjS1bhVkWuI54IJv20OkVXasYapHj2Q= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > The only integration that's lacking is auto save (which doesn't work > well with eieio-persistent). If you quit Gnus without saving, your > intermediate state goes into the dribble file, and you can choose to > load that again later. But the registry doesn't work with the dribble > file (it would be a medium amount of work to make that happen) so you'd > lose any edits to the registry made since the last save. Another difference is that when you quit the summary with -Q, registry marks are saved anyway. But I like that :-) Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2019 21:16:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 04 16:16:55 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42753 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1icc10-0005dT-PW for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:16:54 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:40786 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1icc0y-0005d3-LC for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 16:16:54 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 56A65FA0E4; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 21:16:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e3bn7rw.fsf@HIDDEN> <9B6350E4-ED1B-4E95-974E-7531C9987655@HIDDEN> <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 13:16:41 -0800 In-Reply-To: <8736dzn6sn.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 22:02:16 +0100") Message-ID: <87blsnu6yu.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/04/19 22:02 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Yes, that's what I meant. Every invocation of `gnus' first unloads >> everything and then reloads it, and the registry is likewise unloaded >> and reloaded. That seemed like TRT to me. > > Ok by me - I only wanted to be sure that what I see is intended. It is! Pace bugs I may have introduced, I feel like this is the right approach. The only integration that's lacking is auto save (which doesn't work well with eieio-persistent). If you quit Gnus without saving, your intermediate state goes into the dribble file, and you can choose to load that again later. But the registry doesn't work with the dribble file (it would be a medium amount of work to make that happen) so you'd lose any edits to the registry made since the last save.
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On December 4, 2019 12:41:07 PM PST, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@=
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>Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen=2Enet> writes:
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>> > So you now (re-)load the db repeatedly and unconditionally?
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>> No: unconditionally but only once=2E
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>For me it's reloaded for every M-x gnus (but only once per gnus
>invocation)=2E I'm not sure if that's what you meant=2E
Yes, that's what I meant=2E Every invocation of `gnus' first unloads every=
thing and then reloads it, and the registry is likewise unloaded and reload=
ed=2E That seemed like TRT to me=2E
> gnus-registry-load()
> run-hooks(gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
> apply(run-hooks gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
> gnus-run-hooks(gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
> gnus-read-newsrc-el-file("/home/micha/gnu-emacs/=2Enewsrc=2Eel")
> gnus-read-newsrc-file(nil)
> gnus-setup-news(nil nil nil)
> #f(compiled-function () #<bytecode 0x158c0b97bf39>)()
> gnus-1(nil nil nil)
> gnus(nil)
> funcall-interactively(gnus nil)
> call-interactively(gnus nil nil)
> command-execute(gnus)
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>
>Michael=2E
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> > So you now (re-)load the db repeatedly and unconditionally?
>
> No: unconditionally but only once.
For me it's reloaded for every M-x gnus (but only once per gnus
invocation). I'm not sure if that's what you meant.
gnus-registry-load()
run-hooks(gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
apply(run-hooks gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
gnus-run-hooks(gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook)
gnus-read-newsrc-el-file("/home/micha/gnu-emacs/.newsrc.el")
gnus-read-newsrc-file(nil)
gnus-setup-news(nil nil nil)
#f(compiled-function () #<bytecode 0x158c0b97bf39>)()
gnus-1(nil nil nil)
gnus(nil)
funcall-interactively(gnus nil)
call-interactively(gnus nil nil)
command-execute(gnus)
Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Dec 2019 17:26:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 04 12:26:36 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42639 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1icYQ8-0002Xb-A3 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:26:36 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:35092 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1icYQ5-0002XN-8i for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 04 Dec 2019 12:26:34 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 216C2FA0E4; Wed, 4 Dec 2019 17:26:27 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfrtwyu5.fsf@HIDDEN> <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 09:26:25 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87immwm5po.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:10:59 +0100") Message-ID: <87r21kuhmm.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 12/04/19 17:10 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Would you try the attached patch? It leaves gnus-registry-db at nil to >> start with, and also removes the root of the double-loading (which was a >> problem only because it can potentially be very slow). > > Seems to work so far, tested for a while (also once quickly with > debbugs-gnu ;-) Oh good :) > So you now (re-)load the db repeatedly and unconditionally? No: unconditionally but only once. I fixed it (I hope) closer to the root of the problem: calling `gnus-registry-initialize' used to load once unconditionally, then add the load function to `gnus-read-newsrc-hook', which would load a second time at startup. Now `gnus-registry-initialize' checks whether Gnus has already been started and does one or the other, not both. I'll test a bit more and then push, this should go into 27.1. Thanks
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It leaves gnus-registry-db at nil to > start with, and also removes the root of the double-loading (which was a > problem only because it can potentially be very slow). Seems to work so far, tested for a while (also once quickly with debbugs-gnu ;-) So you now (re-)load the db repeatedly and unconditionally? Thanks, Michael.
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I'd be awfully surprised if it only worked for me -- I'd think we
>> would have seen bug reports by now.
>
> My impressions is: some people may have tried using the registry, but
> most of them gave up, and nearly nobody is using it.
>
>> I still blame your usage of debbugs-gnu :)
>
> I don't. AFAICT the issue happens with (featurep 'debbugs-gnu) ==> nil
> all the time.
No, I didn't really mean that...
Would you try the attached patch? It leaves gnus-registry-db at nil to
start with, and also removes the root of the double-loading (which was a
problem only because it can potentially be very slow).
Thanks,
Eric
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From ea39e2a7a1969e669c32ef4f883cda357ad144a8 Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>
Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2019 09:12:44 +0000
Subject: [PATCH] Continued fixes to gnus registry loading
* lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el (gnus-registry-db): Do not initialize
this variable to an empty database, that should only be done for new
databases.
(gnus-registry-load): Remove "force" argument, don't check if the
database is already loaded, as we're only going to load it once.
(gnus-registry-initialize): Either load the db directly, or set up a
hook to do it later.
(gnus-registry-install-hooks): Don't load on
gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook.
---
lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el | 70 ++++++++++++++++----------------------
1 file changed, 30 insertions(+), 40 deletions(-)
diff --git a/lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el b/lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el
index e6fb382c2f..ff4c640c82 100644
--- a/lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el
+++ b/lisp/gnus/gnus-registry.el
@@ -340,7 +340,7 @@ gnus-registry-make-db
:precious nil
:tracked nil)))
-(defvar gnus-registry-db (gnus-registry-make-db)
+(defvar gnus-registry-db nil
"The article registry by Message ID. See `registry-db'.")
;; top-level registry data management
@@ -352,40 +352,33 @@ gnus-registry-remake-db
(gnus-message 4 "Remaking the Gnus registry")
(setq gnus-registry-db (gnus-registry-make-db))))
-(defun gnus-registry-load (&optional force)
- "Load the registry from the cache file.
-If the registry is already loaded, don't reload unless FORCE is
-non-nil."
+(defun gnus-registry-load ()
+ "Load the registry from the cache file."
(interactive)
- (when (or force
- ;; The registry is loaded by both
- ;; `gnus-registry-initialize' and the read-newsrc hook.
- ;; Don't load twice.
- (null (eieio-object-p gnus-registry-db)))
- (let ((file gnus-registry-cache-file))
- (condition-case nil
- (gnus-registry-read file)
- (file-error
- ;; Fix previous mis-naming of the registry file.
- (let ((old-file-name
- (concat (file-name-sans-extension
- gnus-registry-cache-file)
- ".eioio")))
- (if (and (file-exists-p old-file-name)
- (yes-or-no-p
- (format "Rename registry file from %s to %s? "
- old-file-name file)))
- (progn
- (gnus-registry-read old-file-name)
- (setf (oref gnus-registry-db file) file)
- (gnus-message 1 "Registry filename changed to %s" file))
- (gnus-registry-remake-db t))))
- (error
- (gnus-message
- 1
- "The Gnus registry could not be loaded from %s, creating a new one"
- file)
- (gnus-registry-remake-db t))))))
+ (let ((file gnus-registry-cache-file))
+ (condition-case nil
+ (gnus-registry-read file)
+ (file-error
+ ;; Fix previous mis-naming of the registry file.
+ (let ((old-file-name
+ (concat (file-name-sans-extension
+ gnus-registry-cache-file)
+ ".eioio")))
+ (if (and (file-exists-p old-file-name)
+ (yes-or-no-p
+ (format "Rename registry file from %s to %s? "
+ old-file-name file)))
+ (progn
+ (gnus-registry-read old-file-name)
+ (setf (oref gnus-registry-db file) file)
+ (gnus-message 1 "Registry filename changed to %s" file))
+ (gnus-registry-remake-db t))))
+ (error
+ (gnus-message
+ 1
+ "The Gnus registry could not be loaded from %s, creating a new one"
+ file)
+ (gnus-registry-remake-db t)))))
(defun gnus-registry-read (file)
"Do the actual reading of the registry persistence file."
@@ -1178,13 +1171,12 @@ gnus-registry-initialize
(gnus-message 5 "Initializing the registry")
(gnus-registry-install-hooks)
(gnus-registry-install-shortcuts)
- (gnus-registry-load))
+ (if (gnus-alive-p)
+ (gnus-registry-load)
+ (add-hook 'gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook 'gnus-registry-load)))
-;; FIXME: Why autoload this function?
-;;;###autoload
(defun gnus-registry-install-hooks ()
"Install the registry hooks."
- (interactive)
(setq gnus-registry-enabled t)
(add-hook 'gnus-summary-article-move-hook 'gnus-registry-action)
(add-hook 'gnus-summary-article-delete-hook 'gnus-registry-action)
@@ -1192,13 +1184,11 @@ gnus-registry-install-hooks
(add-hook 'nnmail-spool-hook 'gnus-registry-spool-action)
(add-hook 'gnus-save-newsrc-hook 'gnus-registry-save)
- (add-hook 'gnus-read-newsrc-el-hook 'gnus-registry-load)
(add-hook 'gnus-summary-prepare-hook 'gnus-registry-register-message-ids))
(defun gnus-registry-unload-hook ()
"Uninstall the registry hooks."
- (interactive)
(remove-hook 'gnus-summary-article-move-hook 'gnus-registry-action)
(remove-hook 'gnus-summary-article-delete-hook 'gnus-registry-action)
(remove-hook 'gnus-summary-article-expire-hook 'gnus-registry-action)
--
2.24.0
--=-=-=--
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2019 12:37:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 29 07:37:22 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iafWU-0001Jd-K5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:37:22 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:36741) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iafWT-0001JQ-1p for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 07:37:21 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1575031024; bh=dLth3912ZxzCFTNFggnNXukKxRw+qpv00R1Hgge/SAs=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=l0xG974FQJrKZ8sGMkkak2cQ8eCvnpip95AynjnvuAgVhA18hHe0liC3sn1w5w/UH Q4x8FC+ATA1m7XYiJYhndM7c1yyUk3Vtx6Ex0B71J6ipfFJLp9pX//REvRJZ/cR0I7 vA3qwbwH79Ak+yYvgKMymbCmaMKZeJdBStoIP5d8= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MdLcJ-1iJPsp1WFf-00IS61; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:37:04 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 13:36:59 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:55:59 +0000") Message-ID: <87imn2luz8.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9qryx4ezjQE/h8fBWu87LXdmAjxVNKK68nwp9XoQudtMjbQSEIg 9EHxczECasbLqZS39dOxF1cTK2OydmkfTPaDRuSWXuT4xiTydkv9v+H0R5CDdCovwBwqWch xkIQ/qSnOIrczwrV3z2y9YPk9FGX+AgxCktLynzw7DX8+9hwXIagJRZpIK1LFEcbSd5SJVh iQQ9hckZYfhh8TU3LEqgw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:Twybl7ShspA=:+qhV2dEtaHPBi7/mk2N7sY 7GpClHogVwrbmWmV3zcpUUSlIrsj24aWkGfFfrnDyJQp+z6noduaeYZd9JPd6sp4vdSdZHbwq OyeiYkxxBWnTsJeh8kdlqeiIKOBIgOBqE0DfkYtDtuwQdoGyE1YC6IEUMW3Wu9337p/e/FgPC JwA5r0jFv15P8utWBuCn/2pIBym7M/lVlm5by8qQIKBHzlhWtKv6cpLczW1FY2F3fKhkTz5GB pacXijwHNikdcuSSxkDCcjVwMnk2nfTsmPKLhm8QZ0AqYPOpYA0XnzbKIZ8I0BxxOeyiVTXDT ri9rXxXLdURhOAAmxRJ2w6KVO7uGUMvnsvyHaAQ9dMdyN/4ELEOELuIGZFQF9KYxFXLMCajgg nucZJG49a+uUpOf0G3sqIs00EOPT5hj9j/UjVQ3IXX/7wSkVZc4d9DmNZhvZz/oxKydcOaAa3 kTv6LjqqgoPlQ6dt1pLHiy2XLlCv/qt5fdjUgV3FRs2A5Y6+J1HF9YsG9wetQlCc6AYhFn6wa wAiI2QfwvBtigBwPglcHgFL05vIB2hHUjlLZVgFhGIYffBYvWOURJtKm7dFEtvD2CAuvscFDD 7i8yd/Fy1JDdtrAw/6+/tJcoRmW85EsEqZQAn0mdeBZWVEJ6AHVA847ndFcX1+ci8qL+Srtft TDDxefeCUHBkMEFFTTCfktBZMm76jxj54xL4l45sZY717mRGl+/NEbEgLza2EJEmb5Am6BpkJ RdLTZMpq7Y9ey/Vx+MkdzWyTEPst2asL6GN1wdYEtJogxKbKVWrkevbWsR7Cm2BbJQY42oXAp 8+QUOtSEFDiXw98Slt8BUW5MSkJ3QGuGhMN0BjWjRkUbSD/L8+gozdFQ1s1in4Awg31DU/UaI gUEWdGB08nqEywhbqgY4RJHa6k+/1aqbiw1xcy2vn3Mo0IJTRNCodBRF9pBdp/kNw8zxVESa6 vGiA8odbgBrbLl1BJUQTHbuED0PoJRoTlMdky6LsTV9asL2YdMrbPdvuOCjQlO+Udmcm53zNS SjCWuuRguPb1G06OPVwKg6gaUQCYHJ3QRahEPxmOYCU7flvn9XQQ8i5p0e504EEVschp/4CO1 aaXj1AOj2IRTjCM1GFbsl+Qv+mC2c3WKD+WnqEKN6kbE9buBM2GXTe3lteYtWrVvERQGwFhAN IgttwN8g6kGA4AJJjWYNklV0I7BN1WP2H9II1wGWaMJLNOyqX+hzcKEGVYuZ2t3d8/ODVfJYk ntNpr9X5oUZSDpBqQ5p0P00UE3U26esSlLljh6Hy1RTP5ikdyUbrEicL1QuI= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > I'd be awfully surprised if it only worked for me -- I'd think we > would have seen bug reports by now. My impressions is: some people may have tried using the registry, but most of them gave up, and nearly nobody is using it. > I still blame your usage of debbugs-gnu :) I don't. AFAICT the issue happens with (featurep 'debbugs-gnu) ==> nil all the time. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2019 23:56:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 28 18:56:12 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59269 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iaTds-0005sI-Ge for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:56:12 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:40140 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iaTdq-0005s2-Sb for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 18:56:11 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [94.11.255.11]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E069CFA086; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:56:01 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:55:59 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87wobk0xza.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 28 Nov 2019 17:25:29 +0100") Message-ID: <87imn3tv1s.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> But that still doesn't completely explain why this works. Say a user >> starts Gnus cold, and only loads gnus-registry.el via an autoloaded call >> to `gnus-registry-initialize' in the init file. The shutdowns run before >> the init file is loaded, meaning gnus-registry.el hasn't been loaded, >> meaning it hasn't had a chance to add its registry-related shutdown yet. >> So we should still be loading the registry with an already-initialized >> `gnus-registry-db', and overwriting the user's existing data. > > But that shouldn't be hard to find out with the help of edebug, variable > watchers, etc. - right? No, I just didn't have time between waking up and landing. I'm on a business trip so I haven't had much hacking time. This weekend I should have time. > BTW, are you sure that the behavior you see is seen by anyone else? > Could it be that it works just for you because of your setup? I'd be awfully surprised if it only worked for me -- I'd think we would have seen bug reports by now. I still blame your usage of debbugs-gnu :) >> Obviously the code as it stands should be changed: either I should find >> another way of preventing double loading, or the defvar shouldn't >> initialize the database to anything (I prefer this latter). > > Initializing with an empty database cries for this sort of problem. > This should only be done when loading fails because the save file > doesn't exist. Then the user should be informed that a new empty > database is created. Yes, I agree that initializing to an empty database is a bad idea. All the mechanisms are already in place for detecting when no database has been created, and making a new one -- there's no reason to hang an empty database on there. I'd still like to know exactly what's going on, though. > BTW, what's so problematic with avoiding repeated loading? Can't you > just use a bool var to remember? I thought that the `eieio-object-p' check WAS the equivalent of the "bool var". I hadn't actually seen that the defvar was initialized like that. Anyway, I don't want to make another sloppy mistake. But I do think just leaving the defvar at nil and getting rid of `gnus-registry-make-db' will end up being the solution.
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Say a user > starts Gnus cold, and only loads gnus-registry.el via an autoloaded call > to `gnus-registry-initialize' in the init file. The shutdowns run before > the init file is loaded, meaning gnus-registry.el hasn't been loaded, > meaning it hasn't had a chance to add its registry-related shutdown yet. > So we should still be loading the registry with an already-initialized > `gnus-registry-db', and overwriting the user's existing data. But that shouldn't be hard to find out with the help of edebug, variable watchers, etc. - right? BTW, are you sure that the behavior you see is seen by anyone else? Could it be that it works just for you because of your setup? > Obviously the code as it stands should be changed: either I should find > another way of preventing double loading, or the defvar shouldn't > initialize the database to anything (I prefer this latter). Initializing with an empty database cries for this sort of problem. This should only be done when loading fails because the save file doesn't exist. Then the user should be informed that a new empty database is created. BTW, what's so problematic with avoiding repeated loading? Can't you just use a bool var to remember? Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2019 08:43:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 28 03:43:38 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56601 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iaFOk-00034y-3n for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:43:38 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:48364 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iaFOi-00034l-IW for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 03:43:37 -0500 Received: from localhost (unknown [94.11.255.11]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 75906FA086; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:43:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 08:43:29 +0000 In-Reply-To: <87eexuuznq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:54:17 +0100") Message-ID: <87sgm8tmq6.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 11/26/19 21:54 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I wonder, too, now that I look at the code. I will let you know in 15 >> hours, when I arrive in London :) Okay, I mostly slept on the plane. But... One missing piece of the puzzle: the Gnus startup process runs `gnus-clear-system', which runs `gnus-shutdown', and the registry has a shutdown routine that sets `gnus-registry-db' to nil. Starting up Gnus essentially first shuts it down. But that still doesn't completely explain why this works. Say a user starts Gnus cold, and only loads gnus-registry.el via an autoloaded call to `gnus-registry-initialize' in the init file. The shutdowns run before the init file is loaded, meaning gnus-registry.el hasn't been loaded, meaning it hasn't had a chance to add its registry-related shutdown yet. So we should still be loading the registry with an already-initialized `gnus-registry-db', and overwriting the user's existing data. Obviously the code as it stands should be changed: either I should find another way of preventing double loading, or the defvar shouldn't initialize the database to anything (I prefer this latter). But it's still a mystery to me... Eric
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2019 20:48:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 15:48:23 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53073 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iZhl1-0004FC-GG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:48:23 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:57740 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iZhl0-0004Ev-9y for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:48:22 -0500 Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:b28d:5600:8502:3b06:b045:f121] (unknown [172.58.45.112]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 595C6FA086; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:48:15 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:48:10 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----5YK6EN1JSVUQWGVBXF55I1E6VXRKDV" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <DACC8FD2-D868-4694-9D67-F8D86A88938E@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) ------5YK6EN1JSVUQWGVBXF55I1E6VXRKDV Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I wonder, too, now that I look at the code=2E I will let you know in 15 hou= rs, when I arrive in London :) On November 26, 2019 12:45:51 PM PST, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen= @web=2Ede> wrote: >Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen=2Enet> writes: > >> Does it fail for you every time? > >Hard to tell, but I think so=2E Whenever I tried today it failed=2E > >I really wonder why it works for you=2E > >Michael=2E --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------5YK6EN1JSVUQWGVBXF55I1E6VXRKDV Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body>I wonder, too, now that I look at the code=2E I wi= ll let you know in 15 hours, when I arrive in London :)<br><br><div class= =3D"gmail_quote">On November 26, 2019 12:45:51 PM PST, Michael Heerdegen &l= t;michael_heerdegen@web=2Ede> wrote:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st= yle=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 20= 4); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class=3D"k9mail">Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen=2Enet> wr= ites:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex= 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Does it fail = for you every time?<br></blockquote><br>Hard to tell, but I think so=2E Wh= enever I tried today it failed=2E<br><br>I really wonder why it works for y= ou=2E<br><br>Michael=2E<br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my= Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E</body></html> ------5YK6EN1JSVUQWGVBXF55I1E6VXRKDV--
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2019 20:46:10 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 15:46:10 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53069 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iZhir-0004BN-MC for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:46:10 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:38257) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iZhio-0004Aa-Vd for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:46:07 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1574801152; bh=k0CGvaNBhqOEdZFjks4/LH2mUAEPzNOx9VasXL2Zjco=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=fiA6A6cIo9Ya4WTenoxXnd4xUtU9TgQ60QpUEvZsqyy50e4Q9DeIsW4Mxe/xunP0u mxgUM8q3pSXIoN66RDJgJ6ETqgcOk3Y4YtsB7ZBLSYtSt/oHX3hBVpQSmNp3aUkLkT yEr1pZ8csL8kiZmQIz25CX/fjCdILbISaU6auTVs= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LlFDW-1hzoOv4B1y-00b1QU; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:45:52 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 21:45:51 +0100 In-Reply-To: <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:41:21 -0800") Message-ID: <87imn6v01s.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Dj1d1HWLAldu5lnFlvimRBEuqmM2y8h03J9skVbz/3Phki6fIPx bwHlOQzNIf7wTtPwADkNlDk75OxAtuTAo9jc+wKuhu0qXST2oYn9HAxqlEF0AZocjcpuUB4 mdRFyAY+ZlTRzJ0njyUdWyJDdGymo+5AxqoOtLUafzR+hwHsXAVVKrDZEFip/PCYmRr8nhW moszisDyMD8yxpQsfeigQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:ny2Rnop8Wgs=:R7ulUOMXezJkZ4OrvTvDrk w2bCZ8/UmB7RSw3Uu/6qr/XA61O+ShWIo/q99xcgmLIzlUqPXKCdp5K7lqFMISnHT/QRc670k 88PgRXqu59dPlULGnV/ZTHHonw6IvyF1yqJE5/Lha3drkdjJl83z5giUd0Oql8uCc9jDwOR3t h3r4NUXlWbY3Fe+mnB5Mw0iz6EdrgfDK/mqeLP4+uMOOVFox0ApwaInYlshZ1qN3x48suAQ7X Sx5Jo3fl5jr1e8lpenSA2/8qD9PKvl0rFF6NgtUpc7TVq0tipEQIdz5jnZ8Z8Dtga3Fbjw2DU ronEwQMkWoDDPpiSpThlziCvx0f8+JisYAVwn3CEIkrpcprBSf1VF0jiz89vI0qXBB0Ryw0Oq FxSbli4W6pqOnv0oYJCDcwiKIW10RXbDeRDxLYXb8FTO3x4vfL7y4eIVYAXhetEPxh9FgRrfK /Jc0RYaZqbbl7MD9HywPTqPwOQQ8Z3d/YAaYb6OcqX3VA/cG1NrPyM+EAyx8CSuuP/rkTmXSx 9roSjIEx/teJxdVVoNQiRE9U+7l5I0Q4dlWnmmorxRCtu2XQH4QBSPF1S5sTwDY9h1jr9vHHo e/0n6fIHKC9lOplad59oEU+B9MKio3eSb5PB6h1HKsSsgwyOKDhoTJbuMZlvgkGL23p3Zl6ki Iyprk3a1PRXlYY4wJn1B2amM9lHocmA95YUpirJKFfRd7G300Cb8xixYqzjkeqKpwBVPbO/jq W+aqLMUQFl/hyvnovvDdkeOSv2c3CnH3Zf5ZWXLmJO0cvTX+XjnRHWq1uQM2klFjoGQZR2zfq TOdiYAwUN5VOBkIH35NE4vos/5vNxvFBp0kUi3YglFIj3WIFzE1J7/yn7eaDpQkV9WteFqph2 hnzdffV6F52/1xajGE3NVs5SGpnxNsq3n218VHXK4yOjH9FNb3YrCSIm9SFDCgrrJN6CdFwts bWh06WKrNuHxeQ0jJoSD1gyPt+1bm1ZtKCpUXxrZ0L4zGJnHY/EGxTGmJ1bnFT4UdFC6nSOzo yykMlMTH2MPkhVU9OXciQXQaDD0fSF1FgRYNpdwAYofOA8GhquCh6is5qcvEluK9wfttHFvI9 7vrTRvgl3BzIPxGzYly8QSweHIrBSbpp+3wH18+XSZHXPf8Pvg9JvGTS8aP4J+Rlcub6oHS9w J1XYXcwKwnqtf1hZN05WgIfaUQMir1hqBbvD6RQP38z/4oSdAXqhSv5VKeUbQXiTyttfZ9hef HEyPyFndx6eKwHId7Xm2hZ/dzLtzijX7n8FbpQETWCuqwaJWIRRrj7QdDwYs= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > Does it fail for you every time? Hard to tell, but I think so. Whenever I tried today it failed. I really wonder why it works for you. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2019 20:41:35 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 26 15:41:34 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53056 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iZheQ-00043B-GG for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:41:34 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:57568 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iZheO-00042s-7j for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 15:41:32 -0500 Received: from [IPv6:2607:fb90:b28d:5600:8502:3b06:b045:f121] (unknown [172.58.45.112]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36855FA086; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 20:41:26 +0000 (UTC) Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 12:41:21 -0800 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17m1tv0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pnhev5n4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgma1ju2.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----NKV9UKMTBB84PX710FU54UAD712SDP" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <D8322D57-D9F5-48C4-831B-0659E05A1EA1@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) ------NKV9UKMTBB84PX710FU54UAD712SDP Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Does it fail for you every time? (I'm getting on a plane in a bit, and trying to father as much info as I c= an before the long, dark cutoff) On November 26, 2019 12:08:53 PM PST, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen= @web=2Ede> wrote: >Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen=2Enet> writes: > >> Dunno why it works, though=2E=2E=2E > >Maybe you could (e)debug `gnus-registry-load' and check why the test >succeeds for you? > >Michael=2E --=20 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E ------NKV9UKMTBB84PX710FU54UAD712SDP Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head></head><body>Does it fail for you every time?<br><br>(I'm getti= ng on a plane in a bit, and trying to father as much info as I can before t= he long, dark cutoff)<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On November 26, 201= 9 12:08:53 PM PST, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@web=2Ede> wro= te:<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0=2E8ex; = border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;"> <pre class=3D"k9mail">Eric Abrahamsen <eric@ericabrahamsen=2Enet> wr= ites:<br><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 1ex= 0=2E8ex; border-left: 1px solid #729fcf; padding-left: 1ex;">Dunno why it = works, though=2E=2E=2E<br></blockquote><br>Maybe you could (e)debug `gnus-r= egistry-load' and check why the test<br>succeeds for you?<br><br>Michael=2E= <br></pre></blockquote></div><br>-- <br>Sent from my Android device with K-= 9 Mail=2E Please excuse my brevity=2E</body></html> ------NKV9UKMTBB84PX710FU54UAD712SDP--
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> Well damn. And we're coming up on Emacs 27.1, too... I've never seen
> this before -- would you mind sending all your registry-related config
> (off-list, if necessary), and anything else you might think is relevant,
> and I'll try to reproduce?
Ok, I debugged it. FWIW I recently learned that "I'll try to reproduce"
has a meaning that I didn't expect: you need to say "I'll try to
reproduce it" or else Stallman might show up and laugh at you (it
happened to me).
Ok: I have only (gnus-registry-initialize) in my init file. And this is
already broken:
"gnus-registry.el" initializes gnus-registry-db like this:
(defvar gnus-registry-db (gnus-registry-make-db)
"The article registry by Message ID. See `registry-db'.")
and in `gnus-registry-load' the
(null (eieio-object-p gnus-registry-db))
always fails so unless you call `gnus-registry-load' with the force arg
you always start with an empty db.
Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2019 00:51:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 25 19:51:58 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49993 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iZP5B-0000jk-Qp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:51:58 -0500 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:59252 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iZP5A-0000jY-5O for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:51:56 -0500 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 8F7C6FA087; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 00:51:50 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2019 16:51:49 -0800 In-Reply-To: <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:17:13 +0100") Message-ID: <8736ebxxwa.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Hello, >> >> I want to use the Gnus registry to use registry marks and store data as >> described in (info "(gnus) Store arbitrary data"). Very often, these >> things vanish after restarting Emacs or Gnus. >> >> For example, I use M M i to mark some article "Important". I have >> configured `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks. Often, >> after restarting, the mark is gone. Likewise, data stored with >> `gnus-registry-set-id-key' gets lost, even when the according article >> has a registry mark attached. > > I'm back to here: I now get the same broken behavior as before. All > registry marks and data just gone. This is bad: until this works > reliably, this stuff should not be advertised in the manual IMHO. Well damn. And we're coming up on Emacs 27.1, too... I've never seen this before -- would you mind sending all your registry-related config (off-list, if necessary), and anything else you might think is relevant, and I'll try to reproduce?
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Nov 2019 00:17:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 25 19:17:33 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49979 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iZOXs-0008OB-OT for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:17:32 -0500 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:45385) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iZOXr-0008O0-A6 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Nov 2019 19:17:32 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1574727436; bh=CRLdOIAdfj56VGr8m2VZ+mFqkQ8apNjYdWOfK+pKTz4=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=R/DZ+OQiRalZKoPkCh5pBbsdbkiZGlvmM65j7IMvYC/FmIXyiGfI4Oep3QOf0zDKF u8JGVOf/4lNYNGFxr/7z+i0CsHcFmNaVd8q1B5EPHmrZ2V/9Ferg1nnauL9ToQhcXr Q17dYy5ESKmOJuk8F6ALjaU1GQwI2OaCi0uAEa0k= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lhedd-1i4zYA3cTh-00mv9D; Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:17:15 +0100 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2019 01:17:13 +0100 In-Reply-To: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:24:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87k17nwkxi.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:ytBvoopUJzMB7vcKzfqFOGaKq+ILLQms7lh8GsR4jE/4BUj0TVJ sRLBeSMQfK9wKfT591Ke+X93HHKKMLV48yeP2dvl5PzoovGoJ4cebV74w28k6fC4tMXei8h MT4hyvqfl5hlHM2TXUc0pEGrrfIHFDC9Z4PcBuUI5id14clfmrexsnVhMTfyH1fCgip1Lr0 vd6WKD9WenXunHnlVA5ZA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:rQxuy5eJNqU=:rzglJFytNRn8YLwcz3QEuO wNDbmAaqrs6JrzcIvkffYglVHLEoGNkUS8wsNXeBvbOQibiY08OFed69ddupRwMVdskVvMiTm i6ScDioFA7OQo+y8s3KLR5V8opLyvi3AneiWf0ysBrFRPMVeIA3B0aUbgLFvV4kt8lxYxduTU IeMUbmVjCMsX6D1U6+siLfbiKllsHsWqqZr0SeN25yKb4ZGPT3X56P1rm8+9Ib/l0GwPaM8b2 qSXUEbv8bpbEYS7e1b9nytCJOSLJaW3TJdr4RHDPJYtjQ2Ubia4jTo1hfXO0uVSsvxuQAp1HT NdvwIJHjgBKmoOrMI3bGfQ9udaNff4duactBFJkjJ8BWQSj9z3YTLn4zd3b3GqTQvIu9GpU/3 9ZzW3VBjqx+cjikE7uiMxo+lBDtxK20D7gVxoIQKst45QsNW9Jh0OHa9V/0Fm3nYjCsn0REFm H7jiLrkUqMyhMVF7mfTL1fVoHy3DqwNaWP6hMqgUFiymqnerUVq1Zc5XRySEOcWbBoHP4XCS6 kxwr1SywZvAiI7/SR1Flkd+S4gVana5GuIdOdOTF9fhJydaPKdbq0XPL2zKsZTGARhs5BpXkv wiYZ//lriiZ4WWqKNsvZJi/g6QBYxg1tHSQcn8z+WPOnNrClQVUpq8RhH/3Inf0bemALTtgzf OJ3e+WXJ81MdGPZCsTaTonhwAu65JDRbPeaEsyATv4M7RnAgfGDPh6SWtlaLuGVcjNfGBql8j g9v8JWa/o5G4w8IlHoMyhZNdc1mfs5TmcbzJldCJUcm3bU9XeS0DBosxeDv0De6WiEzMDDJ3r acZ+3iGVXpKOqEapem8XL4tZj9jatZz8Gvk032O6CVpagXwqu6fitgKC4TCNg/VOITd3oLSbw J9EHyyEp95CsZLHUBNY9M7/6r43x3ZZuHrKptRrwa6LChH9cscJA56jsoDQ8Y94iJ9ebShpB1 ivcBnMIvmH0t0+m4rlb1LnVndCH4sfbLgYRQkEwdOffJoL8RE+n3OWkL0G4dbuTpVN/gtfutW DebDFqJonvwnxRmq8RCuGZSATLQAxHUr9OVA7o3m8VOXA0I/GvDCOq681X/HQc85VwR8l96bn Hsm+QQIeQDJRhoycAFGixLPtZ1qp+ehVCw/+6IM+fsUnBtXYS9lhIx6Y9ql/hYHRTWwG3zrjF geSZeR2fr67YP90cD4oH0b3vkUB58O7tyJZFGYHkiNPcfp7If3vepnMBmGjqHd+y+8xOLz5uz OogJihLSEp8k1Bk/MqVqhAUPE7PuHiOS96KrhulWA/TPDngNiHlCDvYVGgyc= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: eric@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Hello, > > I want to use the Gnus registry to use registry marks and store data as > described in (info "(gnus) Store arbitrary data"). Very often, these > things vanish after restarting Emacs or Gnus. > > For example, I use M M i to mark some article "Important". I have > configured `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks. Often, > after restarting, the mark is gone. Likewise, data stored with > `gnus-registry-set-id-key' gets lost, even when the according article > has a registry mark attached. I'm back to here: I now get the same broken behavior as before. All registry marks and data just gone. This is bad: until this works reliably, this stuff should not be advertised in the manual IMHO. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Nov 2019 09:17:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 18 04:17:33 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43149 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iWdA5-0004Bg-Gh for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:17:33 -0500 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:45571) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iWdA3-0004BX-DL for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 04:17:31 -0500 Received: from [116.251.203.175] (port=27310 helo=[192.168.20.103]) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iWdA0-0003DC-JA; Mon, 18 Nov 2019 22:17:28 +1300 Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> <c4e89761-f4f6-3422-58eb-c02bb55e8386@HIDDEN> <87pnikhr2r.fsf@HIDDEN> <87zhhn5xkz.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <60bab4b2-bced-acfc-992b-7763b592e44d@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 18 Nov 2019 22:17:28 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87zhhn5xkz.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GeoIP: NZ X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 27/10/19 4:35 AM, Eric Abrahamsen wrote: > Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: >> [the so-long.el change] fixes the gnus-mock-start problem, as >> expected :-) >> >> So, Eric, I think you don't have to care about this problem. > > Okay cool -- thanks. Just to note, this change to so-long.el has been merged to the Emacs master branch. regards, -Phil
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Oct 2019 15:35:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 26 11:35:35 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:41345 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iOO6J-0000oI-Is for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:35:35 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:33016 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iOO6H-0000o1-4i for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 26 Oct 2019 11:35:34 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 1F951FA07E; Sat, 26 Oct 2019 15:35:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> <c4e89761-f4f6-3422-58eb-c02bb55e8386@HIDDEN> <87pnikhr2r.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 08:35:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87pnikhr2r.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:02:52 +0200") Message-ID: <87zhhn5xkz.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Or just fetch the .el file directly: >> >> https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/plain/so-long.el?h=wip > > Ok, I just did that and...it fixes the gnus-mock-start problem, as > expected :-) > > So, Eric, I think you don't have to care about this problem. Okay cool -- thanks.
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Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:02:44 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> <c4e89761-f4f6-3422-58eb-c02bb55e8386@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 26 Oct 2019 10:02:52 +0200 In-Reply-To: <c4e89761-f4f6-3422-58eb-c02bb55e8386@HIDDEN> (Phil Sainty's message of "Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:12:16 +1300") Message-ID: <87pnikhr2r.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pZRZEA9qmXM6TGCM7NaRxwhKQwGa9Am6bqBkD8Cs779gm7iHcQN trVU1v/rSAOiquAYnofPRakXK46PZeodKdLmBn35Z6AR9fKbI7I31MuqSv25oTBUeoHQ9Cz xfe30PQ/6IGKDYkBFAN18XATDWdcCGnr5+ScOtAP0Y6YnJMcFU6v+3QOtH3iLx8M8f1ozbp JHtP1YyeyR+IjZvPTTyNg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:uChtlbMtwDU=:dKnmTxCaV3KJtxOWRC/Dc7 I5f9Z7CVGoEH02iVYDHssun0uilN8EMJmMqCW9Umm6+Yo7I+f6v1cxrCUTzW7MlJMJw7RTj7v m/P1ZQReqBlQpkIcG40QWJumUGwY1eh0VBcOWrN0xIpn6Mw+lHvIRgUbbpby6fdymIm+z49ER 2AKWm4GSoyjKo3/cRN988TGfptpeiYDJ/uYiH/PNsk/xy04EPAP5d4cvySEiLvbwzITgYZ8hU KnEUOYTpMEf0wjQmea1wzOAg67QxWWg+NvOvatS2DGTUgkbKxQPFA2uVzT2dLJtqMKN1PDxGS akCbn9CO5PXc1emTn/Nqpuq6o/YH6qyFmROe/v61y5neYSYr2Kb/IzXTwJelazHi5vU8SDCps pt7Ch9ciBnm2KCRMRAtm8VyXORPnj3PW2nqqqrgwLICV7289ufoHLk4NwPMwZ4Ty83wyZGMXA jWlOiCCvEcnseYoA7aflnmpIPnZ6V2lUOjwRSweFa794dpTqQObnuJXVHAU0bTjyTAqgVFhzK vqMEVpLq1YwqttXYMOjmAmdYW0Bhk83DLw/G2LUpdaQFGu8+UEV/xF0k7j4ydoXWaDb57f51J P0pu5pFUlLjhvXpW7VXUUREtR2QJjxZ8NqoMvV2i9JZzBemfHEnsua01Q4q+j8SjDR6jYkDp9 lq++NB955XIgJ0gv4pQetuBZekNUtLrDAaLrrSkGM1W+Y5kcpi+R+3mn77VDYHqNYSMtR5R2J Pit+yXCkTvZZjHXHiRHL8AfgNHvvyHVvYGaQNcxeR9ChA1cK6mQs5ewx3RHEbnAPnYTsVeupg lrPDCkoW/q3LLeTgreNZlERIJo80CDXs/TUNz/2AM4aBaamtWsYyDLoH2oPAFFDheprhr0LGj xsUz6Fxz0IpoNlcU2/F0BwmkRgJM3S8+KcbGrLBCdrt/NV3pXgAzXYvcPOb5bU//Fl1QOYIVI HZDujeyWkgZJKDODOQnWB54Gxnt8/juV04pEn9YWCThSnjg1GSnDDxnBrZ8E+MSy08rdmymjB zs6tJutg0Hsp1a0RjdCnMDhoE2D1jEH/AL4pC2dWeywJO/OfVfQiigyY/Ew54KIKZyvkfVs4v DuRJ/eOu6DmP+Yc/ufqU0ZtUhoAZyIOZa/PEtFjUtZgaO8/CAn0NHoD4nUtAVWWyFaVx3YOen 2ScCiJbZsMduU9ejtLsjdWPOpKFWJPiYhnm+qmZ+W4d9reSimdTp3OdOV7EXfQUAWLSaPx6IZ Vtf0sLORpiy7rAtk6xgmZmxheo8vSc91VnxKymu95+HFLROiZUElmJsmLBWA= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes: > Or just fetch the .el file directly: > > https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/plain/so-long.el?h=wip Ok, I just did that and...it fixes the gnus-mock-start problem, as expected :-) So, Eric, I think you don't have to care about this problem. Thanks, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 22:12:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 18:12:23 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53631 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLwxT-00050P-78 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:12:23 -0400 Received: from smtp-2.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.43]:47131) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iLwxQ-00050E-0i for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:12:21 -0400 Received: from [116.251.203.173] (port=19292 helo=[192.168.20.103]) by smtp-2.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iLwxN-00073d-3T; Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:12:17 +1300 Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <c4e89761-f4f6-3422-58eb-c02bb55e8386@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2019 11:12:16 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GeoIP: NZ X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi Michael, On 20/10/19 3:31 AM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > how can I clone your repo? See the bottom of the "summary" tab of the cgit web UI for URLs that you can clone from: * git://git.savannah.gnu.org/so-long.git * https://git.savannah.gnu.org/git/so-long.git * ssh://git.savannah.gnu.org/srv/git/so-long.git Or just fetch the .el file directly: https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/plain/so-long.el?h=wip FYI the main project pages also provides this: * https://savannah.nongnu.org/git/?group=so-long That page isn't linked to from the cgit URLs I'd given initially, but in general projects on Savannah will have one of these. -Phil
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 18:06:22 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 14:06:22 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53532 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLt7L-0004l7-89 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:06:19 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:38454 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iLt7J-0004kt-B2 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 14:06:17 -0400 Received: from localhost (67-40-27-198.tukw.qwest.net [67.40.27.198]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BD93AFA07E; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 18:06:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfth6fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a79xg8no.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0et6eme.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnosth6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 11:06:09 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87sgnosth6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:25:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87r2381uge.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > I didn't think long about it but instead I had a look how other packages >> > handle the case. >> >> Good enough for me! Thanks. > > Do you really want this to be nil when the file buffer is evaluated? > > (defconst gnus-mock-data-dir > (when load-file-name > (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name > "data" > (file-name-directory load-file-name)))) > "Source directory for Gnus mock data.") > > Then again I need additional work when loading the source to debug. You > could at least accept `default-directory' when it contains a "data" > named directory, or query for a directory with a useful default instead > of barfing when gnus-mock-start is called. With other words: what I get > now is just another kind of barfing, no real improvement. Oops, I didn't realize that default-directory would be set to the containing directory at load time -- I assumed its chances of finding the "data" directory correctly were essentially nil. I'll use your version now...
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Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:31:00 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:31:07 +0200 In-Reply-To: <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> (Phil Sainty's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:05:26 +1300") Message-ID: <87o8ycst78.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:HFRUKpSB5hgl+ICcSlxPN0pnbrn5f5wvckWBomwwVhlXbQbY9oq jBMeXfC7UP/qNbL0ix/oTY2wOXQvttp9mV7Fo3qq5c1S3gKmC8Oow3pESPVRMjOPfOKN61x no279XEametvaWs5WrvNDhpygPBzMoBhJUytWOlFRL4QvZna4sHLJfy9pc6vrd+9hxF89sL cttHq04X2B4/LzjOH/v/Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:RH8eOwAAEPQ=:qxQn8c1MSZ7JqZuaOmAYe0 oqrkNbHSQM0VrdpxoGHIzUfqelqAnJ+fn+CNggdHYLfN9Dy6RpPFpeOTrpQszw1YKy3wfLumU TklZMdpORmxUh4zubmojDUxeFInLSToL6EW67k4fBpOwBhKFvGj3mZFQ/wbk3XXfTRCWfFg/e TSpzh495qfpweIE9o+CnbLEn1Ou3D6vlc5m6ZBAQcOBUdItqZscnUiY23MuZfCrCuX27FVrXs YmQLqny62Jf0KOIYN7sq33QUwOpmII9j6qpp4Y03bj9vpKYeETX+YXtXwqXrgof+vIwDDGvJo LH86cW/6KYUoCdlsGuJs3pjlZcj2vWogRm2If2YNNRuf1ynkBsWKJvjFBd7hTV8RhHzEtGsCa Gvz63jpgLVcFbflsO0Tu8yHEmaolOLVG5q4nGp11cddjuDwPtNVVHpm45xzcDkb7ijhu9PYlu uLYawLFc2NCKUGhJ34d6NUg/Fht8qWeC6ICeUC+azMsnMsHDmmdngNO/CNdceqsWiaPHopPUz JvzB2wgIYKP6tw/MH8HBaUYryj+drR+jl/hPYoJrtDmhsRRJBTlvbx+d9xTlCmj/ama/WijWG HADheS6G9RP/R0skVwK5KIoFM0CKoaGrMS1dB5Ja0hVJkYCQIbEQPwvuzd8UF56fYzXEcWlNt lsED2EK8ECDuGM2e0Feh+W5JwoUXO4kebgHP8T3V/1v3BKMwNGE5tqjudIAFHdmwDZGqb4JYR DBaFUnM1DoZe2LH/aF89+YwniTiopaEmKPPoXbT7HP2Fe8l1oewMJkx7MfZhUoRndVt/fRy+W 2L+PGEVbgvzmz6h850KUO1bozZ0VFwTMkviGBvMVlTLKtpRzEGlzaG1IcL/+nPS7LkZ77d0iH 9HVmEUV/zm7MK4hZluKRemXQzBBJYTazJxK0yXy/CEcknPJPlwTob4poV3PiHOjz7o5Uv91mS 4Kf+gNdkqpGnBtCaqlAIAjy2T/yUjrb4W3GPUjqOo4YNpiJf4MXKFd6Gzsl74nZ8vx/PEm4kI nayl4jp3/NBGW7NDUunAlOkZY+mhOXauM3kxZ6FdANo5CR4WXw7+cYKoP3l4TgHvhtCFPuMLu NpBVvz0LSgL67HPz50xYNo+fUECkhV2mXQjGGaRoNe9L9ZhVaGtotD/llxweW7bsMetvDDvME xjLdXTW9ppSXHghf2tD3QAkEMteWx4jtBPZm39bbvZ9N3akR9BlQMv+TSLDHkUBu87XwnTtMA yAd5yCnIfPP+Xo5CDXU8g9glB6jIKmGYyUZmdcIAgjEMdJOdBmmfkBPiC0oo= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> writes: > I have committed[1] a fix for that in my WIP branch here: > https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/tree/?h=wip > > Could you test that and let me know if it fixes the issue for you? Thanks - all that I read sounds like your branch should fix our problem. But how can I clone your repo? bash-5.0:micha:today$ git clone https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long Cloning into 'so-long'... fatal: repository 'https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long/' not found BTW, you can also just send me a checkout privately. Regards, Michael.
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> > I didn't think long about it but instead I had a look how other packages
> > handle the case.
>
> Good enough for me! Thanks.
Do you really want this to be nil when the file buffer is evaluated?
(defconst gnus-mock-data-dir
(when load-file-name
(file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name
"data"
(file-name-directory load-file-name))))
"Source directory for Gnus mock data.")
Then again I need additional work when loading the source to debug. You
could at least accept `default-directory' when it contains a "data"
named directory, or query for a directory with a useful default instead
of barfing when gnus-mock-start is called. With other words: what I get
now is just another kind of barfing, no real improvement.
Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 02:05:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 22:05:34 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51762 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLe7a-0003Q1-2w for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:05:34 -0400 Received: from smtp-1.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.34]:50633) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iLe7W-0003Po-4V for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 22:05:32 -0400 Received: from [116.251.203.173] (port=63282 helo=[192.168.20.103]) by smtp-1.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1iLe7S-0005sh-VI; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:05:27 +1300 Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <f30b0303-92d0-5194-fcdb-c7c9dbe47c16@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:05:26 +1300 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.9.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Language: en-GB Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-GeoIP: NZ X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi Michael, On 19/10/19 3:44 AM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Phil, what's your opinion about this? gnus-mock.el wants to > edit a file it has opened with find-file-noselect, which is a > common thing to do. But it fails for me because I have enabled > global-so-long-mode in my init file and it makes the buffer > read-only. This is quite surprising because the buffer is only > used internally by gnus-mock. Could so-long be a bit smarter > here? This sounds very much like: https://savannah.nongnu.org/bugs/?56835 I have committed[1] a fix for that in my WIP branch here: https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/tree/?h=wip Could you test that and let me know if it fixes the issue for you? If so, I'll go ahead and merge the changes into Emacs. (I hadn't merged it to Emacs yet simply because its a notable change to how so-long has operated in the past; but I'm mostly sure it's going to be fine.) The documentation regarding this is as follows: ;; * Buffers which are not displayed in a window ;; --------------------------------------------- ;; When a file with long lines is visited and the buffer is not ;; displayed right away, it may be that it is not intended to be ;; displayed at all, and that it has instead been visited for ;; behind-the-scenes processing by some library. Invisible ;; buffers do not typically not cause performance issues, and it ;; might be surprising to the other library if such a buffer were ;; manipulated by `so-long'; so in these situations the ;; `so-long-invisible-buffer-function' value is called instead. ;; By default this arranges for `so-long' to be invoked on the ;; buffer if and when it is displayed, but not otherwise. This ;; is actually the normal way for `so-long' to be called -- even ;; when a visited file is displayed "right away", it is normal ;; for the buffer to be invisible when `global-so-long-mode' ;; processes it, and the gap between "arranging to call" and ;; "calling" `so-long' is simply extremely brief. -Phil [1]: https://git.savannah.nongnu.org/cgit/so-long.git/commit/so-long.el?h=wip&id=e9d6a4ef4ccde46e65f2bea9e4756ddc8cfab8e5
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2019 19:24:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 15:24:51 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51587 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLXrm-0007Pf-NL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:24:50 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:39782 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iLXrk-0007PR-RV for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:24:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DF1F3FA07E; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:24:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfth6fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a79xg8no.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:24:41 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87a79xg8no.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:23:23 +0200") Message-ID: <87d0et6eme.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/18/19 21:23 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > btw, could you please consider to install something like >> >> Wait, just to be sure I understand what's happening here: does the >> default option value get evaluated at compile time, or load time, > > At load time. > >> and is there a difference? > > I think that only difference to before is that you get a useful behavior > (works as expected) when you open the file and load the buffer (tested). > > I didn't think long about it but instead I had a look how other packages > handle the case. Good enough for me! Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
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Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:23:17 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfth6fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 21:23:23 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87lfth6fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:09:24 -0700") Message-ID: <87a79xg8no.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:/0z64sCqFyBlOgZ703dlQiGsw5cyw5YhmVCAbm/tlGepx6uKz2U cgT2I0LaHlVkrLUZ31K0CiVBVqb2y5U0f7QFQWUbqHTgRzlnosg2gvjS29qvYH2iTbTv55n ZgOZCSXpjW8gSn+lHPtunEJURSlxDivQevKHEyU2p5HWluEk0EUBqMsYvEddML5jjie0zeZ qrNVe+LERrsJN5MuLcHbw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:QA1Vkq+f/2k=:d4L23CfE7APGWpGdc9HLv0 tgVQKghXP3emFmT6bkda5WrS9uYrrBmxjekIQULQxFjT/nqq0pk18xHzJ/Ms263uHclBz6cd7 7jUOQQ4LjR42TUjIAXIryqJc68mBHgH+SDBHXt2lBHa8t0JTg/O6ga+1Hd3PqXfEGnwjrdKUb T2sU2AeAsVPPkWJWqzgM+Z+n+lqTgmLSA/Ai5ZxQAbpaIKPnKO4G7929qCJF62nnUGjh2ND29 ePNy6VygvE8Vrh2JhZ3UVhMDXZi4bLfWo9KbiccxjY5RU+4mgiMPsq0cK1RjM1SMfWhOjToPX LnJOQqkZ8FDh8sAUtK7KhNO7Zpf+N8YGVxlcVUX4oCp9P37v6f5mYoZJcGlQ6rB8N1jwflH9t 4rkLN6RiRsroIfQtVbbN4ZOvDa4N9EeZOPhG/vCHGCbETxU/duEiak4s6bFYIJF8800LWNm0f 9UMQfLEkkX2e8hZRY9Iwwi7mHnxR5ON10eYWtuXT2ivBHdLETAMMt7olSICMHfWmgm43vpG5r 26MXP7xZURdNeMv0BXspYEvboqkFVDHMJdgL1Tm9ixiv2xZ9R1an7UiAy37KvzFl+BO3KrtdU n+1YjQz+iN86xaD22t8YINsDLzHAwYcB/3uJJIK880DrNE0qdpubXwiNC7O+vqxqcnxEN4lPX FIZ0HSTuCAX0wxb42uwerlwf3c62os3DqmOUh/JQ6uDtStt1vmgULSHGXYc8a/yX+/HLngALw ztAYhGH84nNdOsaJKLCBVef8ZviE9P7nOmybQ3qE49dUDelgPr2LPQ0zGgMPODa04HV22XQAq aAFoMvZdQFyMn6tR8xAJ0JsdU7Gs/VM4YcVjG69q+LotZUhTK/jV4WVAuWu4tfVvrJtk8lbDu Pv+wYTw4kuYoEt9hsXRtENL9qHHFmT3/alyh20iTEHNHEDG5Jua/USpuR6Hn8+hGBGG4pv6gy yqAQXvuZItbLKR7q/qzPBlruo1Ih11zYCOI1gxq8NDG7GwLzJXRZ03tpfY4mA6EfNgaVszeKd kzii9tktiXH805IVYciRlGifSF1QaKq9HHt+yvZEgGk0nkacxd50hkCnWgeN1zZikw9f+3Rbw jElFroWM2X6Ch/TmbcuKEiMQ6JMVVFRTe+w/y3df9IJQgFD3MUDoWYWxAk5xaeNHNpve3NhRc y0csARFPA053CsiBmipAQNFJzmBHG4Qh8YVdJS8/QAO2RcMc4rtkqkcMOVGeIjjAHn6O5eCvV Rh+91CzcH0Ylr4Vq6y1VUYV0FrqgI7vMNP+PQmp3s+RrRs3DlPlTt+Q8aXJc= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > > btw, could you please consider to install something like > > Wait, just to be sure I understand what's happening here: does the > default option value get evaluated at compile time, or load time, At load time. > and is there a difference? I think that only difference to before is that you get a useful behavior (works as expected) when you open the file and load the buffer (tested). I didn't think long about it but instead I had a look how other packages handle the case. Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2019 19:09:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 15:09:33 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51574 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLXcy-00070P-L6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:09:32 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:39146 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iLXcw-00070C-RY for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:09:31 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 60253FA07E; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:09:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:09:24 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:46:32 +0200") Message-ID: <87lfth6fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/18/19 16:46 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric, > > btw, could you please consider to install something like Wait, just to be sure I understand what's happening here: does the default option value get evaluated at compile time, or load time, and is there a difference?
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2019 19:07:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 15:07:23 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51570 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLXas-0006x2-GM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:07:23 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:39056 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iLXar-0006wo-EV for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 15:07:21 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 05B51FA07E; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 19:07:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 12:07:14 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87mudy5cxj.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:46:32 +0200") Message-ID: <87pnit6ffh.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/18/19 16:46 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric, > > btw, could you please consider to install something like Sure, absolutely. I've never had very much confidence in how gnus-mock handles the "find the load file and nearby directories" process, so it's good to have some real-world feedback.
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Eric,
btw, could you please consider to install something like
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(defconst gnus-mock-data-dir
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so that one can load the source file of gnus-mock to simplify debugging?
Thanks,
Michael.
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Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:44:43 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftjkcj7.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnr74ig.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 16:44:50 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87sgnq5s3l.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:18:54 +0200") Message-ID: <87r23a5d0d.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:o0r0gKrMD6SmunlR9wDc+VXLfhUSDPRnaAevBASaKlX/EwFAW9W wHjn8hAg//CBHGrCgaQ1u7yCZrU8LFUowpddR+FJAsyU4cUe4XVW0PiQf8avDf03eIbzHB7 X03hRNWtbzrJ3ayMJf8U3NF/EoypORtP3HzjiLuFfJFLAUAlc0ZEpbNTI+eALDYnGxeVWx+ gg20wTwCL+vrY3SWx6zJQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:fvd+brIQy/Q=:tSN33AeJSKFnEd0C1zE40s MgZsNonDb6ELo37VJ4mYEU98hkhJkL8WC7OXRUGDrFdorT6nYMaTlpCN6L11WOHc9dFhlGdBT nPAmEDVHd3+Jao0GTQqm2wop8We62IlJnejTXQQkNc8UJXypWl8ghJWgpAnH+qIs9brCMi/W/ b7ChEiMimOy0ahBsdY0rQv24pXJwWjCci0QcofdfJ+WAvmKwseOyZoi7plEm7DlW8dt6uGb3y 5kFnFran0bl1nAzobF5H9rpwzKoLLlifquFHvmx/aQXKx416CCZmViEWR2Ae5Hzlztfv2sIH0 fWpWd+/PKyBtEEQEENRMnba22L/UR0s0Hdr4VDFAkKm9TBdJHsVFz3ETSAQTruZgSIJ+wyc0Y rNzhqqhuzwpyWCg87U3Q44iquC2VEyhNDe9nOQdLmWvltU1pxOLgEx0fSOBJlIYHkceDKbFTl nsXE6o2A/RES5/yvGrcA5bi1hFEZoMFPYh18dYRo1IzQzox8kDvJ4XxUyL6dNNPOeqSQwfHKr cId9Y6PJODGVRsnr08FmrvwK/XhFSeDidf3uF+GFmKpjqMeWx8+y3H+/UvMT9n4d94CzinasM io+iu1V1W839mxLP4rZRP+CUezZ4q08BX8xk5Z1XDBDSweRipHxq6Sg+baiRKfL5AOpEG4NEp 1PvfhMSXbCdPU6awDLjzCPqpOg0akTYtmyPcg9fo0UQx249QRNcyTljhe66pFGZM8oCgkQnj3 Dgm85drVTL4oKM7oS812dhJHv28LRsYzsPJGJBU3A/KCT3lRKnRnuJgwWQSJ04McpyiSBuoPo wrS28bBVQqhMUb4uVX4qYCV8LEBGqrEFSrLiyG+zforZkdkWzt2xe4Tw3nqwr+boEJEhwycoD 2XqGyDwwUI8hp1REfXYrmWrz54r10/Vlz3QKMPUA6g5omI8AX9Fjl9NECx9k3f/AjdSvDlArV VI3SX67EghJzpbT0Zoi1Iw27F1qOUqoR36gcW39VTPVZZmQ62ZmwTCnsNMGoeyBZL85DiLPYQ cJzvRTarAyC3dprvEoAuEEctWtkYXsQxoeEopQx10Gz+39EWzJO+83Rfv3W17baobQu6mn8Ej e7HYAfJKw7vWDRZOhHU4hU3f9+Bzt2w2GpVvfFLjxkJ7CH197CSKjgL6vmmCnFauOKcSEfQlY eFKM7YgO15cLjqf+iwIFTNO23cNRzr8dDwa5+yPAW1cYglMwS+TXimQ/PcfCwp4RsfIe2J554 AsP/07uEK4qGQhMlW/mENHCqH8DV6D5zsafv8a1jbZeUXjepjKjPIRzEhCuE= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > | Debugger entered--entering a function: > | * hack-local-variables(no-mode) > | run-mode-hooks(so-long-mode-hook) > | #f(compiled-function () (interactive nil) #<bytecode 0x156db2ff061d>)() > | apply(#f(compiled-function () (interactive nil) #<bytecode > 0x156db2ff061d>) nil) > | so-long-mode() > | so-long() > | so-long--set-auto-mode((closure (t) (&optional keep-mode-if-same) Phil, what's your opinion about this? gnus-mock.el wants to edit a file it has opened with find-file-noselect, which is a common thing to do. But it fails for me because I have enabled global-so-long-mode in my init file and it makes the buffer read-only. This is quite surprising because the buffer is only used internally by gnus-mock. Could so-long be a bit smarter here? TIA, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 18 Oct 2019 09:50:57 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 18 05:50:57 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49407 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLOuP-0004N1-D1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:50:57 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:36411) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iLOuN-0004Mm-B7 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 05:50:55 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571392236; bh=eKdtEkZ6VNxp8H1SwsxsIgNkQ6F2EZqLhlLFVXp04+M=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=T2M938W31B/Y4p/3KdrMVyRNG9W7PZYhCPl1Yi2NGjdfboQfV2lwBxd7HJ2QN+ssK 83vmolo1RIdkTJKn3gi6V952fXpwExDVv7AT5vmT7N4eSXHjuum19mvZheMryUDKX5 gu+G7NCddNGDUltob9XIEA9YlUMOWY3uaSfHBEXQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M2ZtN-1i4YwL0xFt-00sR74; Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:50:36 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e55xcj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1iLIcU-0002ej-SZ@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 18 Oct 2019 11:50:43 +0200 In-Reply-To: <E1iLIcU-0002ej-SZ@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2019 23:08:02 -0400") Message-ID: <87pniue618.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Ys3VrRl77ku1WTiA/fa6f7twfKnyTZ07YN1+j0oeYwOOJtB3cSO FBz5+HG2zqTlNWRF5OAOrhaLfLCVrxzEPRaO/3dYUZU8BW4ELy337txKi1v2XCgPb5OwnbL OwLARNOCFRI7Qkca+6VHvxXjvyAeeY6Lt5JTdC5pTaVv9lijfQdj+SnQuQQUo1m9QQTCneV ckemrCQe7Q4YJq8f8wdVA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:sqj2a1BR/Fc=:he2VBaCBilhbwphhr+Y9FP 77LDyCvK/yDiB2yoO+K90MOJNKcLLJVG7wM4hb0+F/RkkPSS1ohCUscjcr2lPaoF4w01Scw0p gkyf2dKlaVMleWi2Y31/DaMYt22ppunKL5VF05HbxvP3lo1WRJBp8CyIet5gxk0Th/rfXJ3+N FsOw5qtekeay9+Ab+4EbDBbwDKqx+fm3bp7pXmW6/runSsHwtjx+dE3Z+YVMTDRaA5Y0X/MsP vFrIigfh6QzRRApB3KyzUs2h2DLZq3jVS02LCMxXhvAkhANf+8hCrIQgazTHihAeMbiPBXiMT PRnodCdcBAKz9RR8SF/ls+1DAF1wEtTm7Y9LjCOaYkNTfk/zZbzQ8zzDx1Gy519gXMi/NZkIg lti0tfaaofANAiAEC4us+1K5+N91kW8iU2FBxwjEAVZirreFQ3wxrAJj3iAZBAQ8OojDdAXOc 2lb1pNsQ0a3i0Y2MGjz5WfrWogZvV1cJDqM04TRiNGPM9zh3LTsgBr6VQjJlXDv2Exdu4oOnu 4zHrzWEJ/dX2IMhygJdpOnBgOyVFojY8p0KVUitEH99CM69oVgdlkZZYFwxxa4xA/sGqoF9sY 5Y2Go+EVgO6iopHC87k6LRBwAX8kMxuQfDUn07nvc6ZruVyKUemKT2wqelBNb3rQWkivKZ90p tc52sbbwU5ENobhk8v4aAs7Nmt0KOUX3hN/H3dNT/9B1Pn2XWu7Bu/cP+u3vz/j5icJ16uXwv ONG04E5eSKohAvQ4hm2rj2Pn4oDax77qlGaoYfZeAuf+bXjj9Z381hQS8ZaFcyVkYLYlXU4m9 BZIofrD5ehkR4u5qzKOK+W8jSWUm4KdoFrZFuJBwQ4RvNCKOApMeQ/YKGRqT+79woIvGfLSkr da7AfpYN0X7etxAlytniEEVXRwLgsplQds8iilUN49omss0OjW6rDnFL5FNddljPfuKfVH2Zz CQwlU2+5wB8lS2vJnQVHX9y32GcmkTFpHK2otdi7AxnlTNs/Cnlw/twMGgcom536k10SEXIlG 08c1JbHUG6yxgrJYYVqB/PqLmLixm5Cp9JpZLuwINi0+WoaRxaCM924ChIcawhtXT11U6i/cV Rf7DkA51JyzRMjc2fxeLLFr3jQe0aeyRh5xy5MOda4SvU3vUAVm4J0KtgMY2NaiKmLWlyLAwE 8wsVleShIcgsamBiRH7cxypTjBAySnrnkfzJ0Q0zQj85UEkYUrfD77tKkZYrWUX7/P58eVix4 AtUeWa6yg6KgPmBxi7hfpCHzK/34QBqKxUL+L8Zr+GPzOEUU1r+OJMxeJNAU= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: eric@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> writes: > It amuses me to see the verb "reproduce" used intransitively in this > context, because what that means is that you are unable to produce > offspring. I don't think that's what you meant ;-). I don't recall, but I guess it wasn't what I wanted to say. I begin to wonder why this kind of thing happens only to me. But this probably doesn't belong in this bug's thread - should I open a new one? Regards, Michael.
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> 1. Put a breakpoint or edebug or otherwise slow the function down, and
> after the data directory has been copied to /tmp, make sure that it
> belongs to your user and you have the right permissions?
That's the case.
> 2. Try this version of gnus-mock-start and see if it works:
I did something different. Seems that so-long is to blame:
| Debugger entered--entering a function:
| * hack-local-variables(no-mode)
| run-mode-hooks(so-long-mode-hook)
| #f(compiled-function () (interactive nil) #<bytecode 0x156db2ff061d>)()
| apply(#f(compiled-function () (interactive nil) #<bytecode 0x156db2ff06=
1d>) nil)
| so-long-mode()
| so-long()
| so-long--set-auto-mode((closure (t) (&optional keep-mode-if-same) "Sele=
ct major mode appropriate for current buffer.\n..." (let ((try-locals (not =
(inhibit-local-variables-p))) end done mode modes) (save-excursion (goto-ch=
ar (point-min)) (skip-chars-forward " \11\n") (and enable-local-variables t=
ry-locals (setq end (set-auto-mode-1)) (if (save-excursion (search-forward =
":" end t)) (while (let ... ...) (skip-chars-forward " \11") (let ... ... .=
.. ...)) (setq modes (cons ... modes))))) (if modes (catch 'nop (let ((--do=
list-tail-- ...)) (while --dolist-tail-- (let ... ... ...))))) (and (not do=
ne) enable-local-variables local-enable-local-variables try-locals (setq mo=
de (hack-local-variables t)) (not (memq mode modes)) (if (not (functionp mo=
de)) (message "Ignoring unknown mode `%s'" mode) (setq done t) (set-auto-mo=
de-0 mode keep-mode-if-same))) (and (not done) (setq mode (save-excursion (=
goto-char (point-min)) (if (looking-at auto-mode-interpreter-regexp) (match=
-string 2)))) (setq done (assoc-default (file-name-nondirectory mode) (mapc=
ar #'... interpreter-mode-alist) #'string-match-p)) (set-auto-mode-0 done k=
eep-mode-if-same)) (if done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion (goto-char .=
..) (save-restriction ... ...))) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same)))=
(if done nil (if buffer-file-name (let ((name buffer-file-name) (remote-id=
...) (case-insensitive-p ...)) (setq name (file-name-sans-versions name)) =
(if (and ... ...) (progn ...)) (while name (setq mode ...) (if ... ... ...)=
(if mode ...))))) (if done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion (goto-char .=
..) (save-restriction ... ...))) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same)))=
(if done nil (set-buffer-major-mode (current-buffer))))) t)
| apply(so-long--set-auto-mode (closure (t) (&optional keep-mode-if-same)=
"Select major mode appropriate for current buffer.\n..." (let ((try-locals=
(not (inhibit-local-variables-p))) end done mode modes) (save-excursion (g=
oto-char (point-min)) (skip-chars-forward " \11\n") (and enable-local-varia=
bles try-locals (setq end (set-auto-mode-1)) (if (save-excursion (search-fo=
rward ":" end t)) (while (let ... ...) (skip-chars-forward " \11") (let ...=
... ... ...)) (setq modes (cons ... modes))))) (if modes (catch 'nop (let =
((--dolist-tail-- ...)) (while --dolist-tail-- (let ... ... ...))))) (and (=
not done) enable-local-variables local-enable-local-variables try-locals (s=
etq mode (hack-local-variables t)) (not (memq mode modes)) (if (not (functi=
onp mode)) (message "Ignoring unknown mode `%s'" mode) (setq done t) (set-a=
uto-mode-0 mode keep-mode-if-same))) (and (not done) (setq mode (save-excur=
sion (goto-char (point-min)) (if (looking-at auto-mode-interpreter-regexp) =
(match-string 2)))) (setq done (assoc-default (file-name-nondirectory mode)=
(mapcar #'... interpreter-mode-alist) #'string-match-p)) (set-auto-mode-0 =
done keep-mode-if-same)) (if done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion (goto-=
char ...) (save-restriction ... ...))) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-s=
ame))) (if done nil (if buffer-file-name (let ((name buffer-file-name) (rem=
ote-id ...) (case-insensitive-p ...)) (setq name (file-name-sans-versions n=
ame)) (if (and ... ...) (progn ...)) (while name (setq mode ...) (if ... ..=
. ...) (if mode ...))))) (if done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion (goto-=
char ...) (save-restriction ... ...))) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-s=
ame))) (if done nil (set-buffer-major-mode (current-buffer))))) t)
| #f(advice-wrapper :around (closure (t) (&optional keep-mode-if-same) "S=
elect major mode appropriate for current buffer.\n\nTo find the right major=
mode, this function checks for a -*- mode tag\nchecks for a `mode:' entry =
in the Local Variables section of the file,\nchecks if it uses an interpret=
er listed in `interpreter-mode-alist',\nmatches the buffer beginning agains=
t `magic-mode-alist',\ncompares the filename against the entries in `auto-m=
ode-alist',\nthen matches the buffer beginning against `magic-fallback-mode=
-alist'.\n\nIf `enable-local-variables' is nil, or if the file name matches=
\n`inhibit-local-variables-regexps', this function does not check\nfor any =
mode: tag anywhere in the file. If `local-enable-local-variables'\nis nil,=
then the only mode: tag that can be relevant is a -*- one.\n\nIf the optio=
nal argument KEEP-MODE-IF-SAME is non-nil, then we\nset the major mode only=
if that would change it. In other words\nwe don't actually set it to the =
same mode the buffer already has." (let ((try-locals (not (inhibit-local-va=
riables-p))) end done mode modes) (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (=
skip-chars-forward " \11\n") (and enable-local-variables try-locals (setq e=
nd (set-auto-mode-1)) (if (save-excursion (search-forward ":" end t)) (whil=
e (let ((case-fold-search t)) (or (and (looking-at "mode:") (goto-char (mat=
ch-end 0))) (re-search-forward "[ \11;]mode:" end t))) (skip-chars-forward =
" \11") (let ((beg (point))) (if (search-forward ";" end t) (forward-char -=
1) (goto-char end)) (skip-chars-backward " \11") (setq modes (cons (intern =
(concat (downcase (buffer-substring beg (point))) "-mode")) modes)))) (setq=
modes (cons (intern (concat (downcase (buffer-substring (point) end)) "-mo=
de")) modes))))) (if modes (catch 'nop (let ((--dolist-tail-- (nreverse mod=
es))) (while --dolist-tail-- (let ((mode (car --dolist-tail--))) (if (not (=
functionp mode)) (message "Ignoring unknown mode `%s'" mode) (setq done t) =
(or (set-auto-mode-0 mode keep-mode-if-same) (throw 'nop nil))) (setq --dol=
ist-tail-- (cdr --dolist-tail--))))))) (and (not done) enable-local-variabl=
es local-enable-local-variables try-locals (setq mode (hack-local-variables=
t)) (not (memq mode modes)) (if (not (functionp mode)) (message "Ignoring =
unknown mode `%s'" mode) (setq done t) (set-auto-mode-0 mode keep-mode-if-s=
ame))) (and (not done) (setq mode (save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (=
if (looking-at auto-mode-interpreter-regexp) (match-string 2)))) (setq done=
(assoc-default (file-name-nondirectory mode) (mapcar #'(lambda (e) (cons (=
format "\\`%s\\'" (car e)) (cdr e))) interpreter-mode-alist) #'string-match=
-p)) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same)) (if done nil (if (setq done =
(save-excursion (goto-char (point-min)) (save-restriction (narrow-to-region=
(point-min) (min (point-max) (+ (point-min) magic-mode-regexp-match-limit)=
)) (assoc-default nil magic-mode-alist #'(lambda (re _dummy) (cond ((functi=
onp re) (funcall re)) ((stringp re) (let ((case-fold-search nil)) (looking-=
at re))) (t (error "Problem in magic-mode-alist with element %s" re))))))))=
(set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same))) (if done nil (if buffer-file-na=
me (let ((name buffer-file-name) (remote-id (file-remote-p buffer-file-name=
)) (case-insensitive-p (file-name-case-insensitive-p buffer-file-name))) (s=
etq name (file-name-sans-versions name)) (if (and (stringp remote-id) (stri=
ng-match (regexp-quote remote-id) name)) (progn (setq name (substring name =
(match-end 0))))) (while name (setq mode (if case-insensitive-p (let ((case=
-fold-search t)) (assoc-default name auto-mode-alist 'string-match)) (or (l=
et ((case-fold-search nil)) (assoc-default name auto-mode-alist 'string-mat=
ch)) (and auto-mode-case-fold (let ((case-fold-search t)) (assoc-default na=
me auto-mode-alist 'string-match)))))) (if (and mode (consp mode) (car (cdr=
mode))) (setq mode (car mode) name (substring name 0 (match-beginning 0)))=
(setq name nil)) (if mode (progn (set-auto-mode-0 mode keep-mode-if-same) =
(setq done t))))))) (if done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion (goto-char =
(point-min)) (save-restriction (narrow-to-region (point-min) (min (point-ma=
x) (+ (point-min) magic-mode-regexp-match-limit))) (assoc-default nil magic=
-fallback-mode-alist #'(lambda (re _dummy) (cond ((functionp re) (funcall r=
e)) ((stringp re) (let ((case-fold-search nil)) (looking-at re))) (t (error=
"Problem with magic-fallback-mode-alist element: %s" re)))))))) (set-auto-=
mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same))) (if done nil (set-buffer-major-mode (curre=
nt-buffer))))) so-long--set-auto-mode)(t)
| apply(#f(advice-wrapper :around (closure (t) (&optional keep-mode-if-sa=
me) "Select major mode appropriate for current buffer.\n..." (let ((try-loc=
als (not (inhibit-local-variables-p))) end done mode modes) (save-excursion=
(goto-char (point-min)) (skip-chars-forward " \11\n") (and enable-local-va=
riables try-locals (setq end (set-auto-mode-1)) (if (save-excursion ...) (w=
hile ... ... ...) (setq modes ...)))) (if modes (catch 'nop (let (...) (whi=
le --dolist-tail-- ...)))) (and (not done) enable-local-variables local-ena=
ble-local-variables try-locals (setq mode (hack-local-variables t)) (not (m=
emq mode modes)) (if (not (functionp mode)) (message "Ignoring unknown mode=
`%s'" mode) (setq done t) (set-auto-mode-0 mode keep-mode-if-same))) (and =
(not done) (setq mode (save-excursion (goto-char ...) (if ... ...))) (setq =
done (assoc-default (file-name-nondirectory mode) (mapcar ... interpreter-m=
ode-alist) #'string-match-p)) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same)) (if=
done nil (if (setq done (save-excursion ... ...)) (set-auto-mode-0 done ke=
ep-mode-if-same))) (if done nil (if buffer-file-name (let (... ... ...) (se=
tq name ...) (if ... ...) (while name ... ... ...)))) (if done nil (if (set=
q done (save-excursion ... ...)) (set-auto-mode-0 done keep-mode-if-same)))=
(if done nil (set-buffer-major-mode (current-buffer))))) so-long--set-auto=
-mode) t)
| set-auto-mode(t)
| (let ((old major-mode)) (set-auto-mode t) (or (eq old major-mode) (hack=
-local-variables)))
| (or (not change-major-mode-with-file-name) (get major-mode 'mode-class)=
(and old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-variables-p)) (hack-local-variable=
s t)) (let ((old major-mode)) (set-auto-mode t) (or (eq old major-mode) (ha=
ck-local-variables))))
| (condition-case nil (or (not change-major-mode-with-file-name) (get maj=
or-mode 'mode-class) (and old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-variables-p)) =
(hack-local-variables t)) (let ((old major-mode)) (set-auto-mode t) (or (eq=
old major-mode) (hack-local-variables)))) (error nil))
| (let (truename old-try-locals) (if filename (setq filename (if (string-=
equal filename "") nil (expand-file-name filename)))) (if filename (progn (=
setq truename (file-truename filename)) (if find-file-visit-truename (setq =
filename truename)))) (if filename (let ((new-name (file-name-nondirectory =
filename))) (if (string=3D new-name "") (error "Empty file name")))) (let (=
(buffer (and filename (find-buffer-visiting filename)))) (and buffer (not (=
eq buffer (current-buffer))) (not no-query) (not (y-or-n-p (format "A buffe=
r is visiting %s; proceed? " filename))) (user-error "Aborted"))) (or (equa=
l filename buffer-file-name) (progn (and filename (lock-buffer filename)) (=
unlock-buffer))) (setq old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-variables-p)) buf=
fer-file-name filename) (if filename (let ((new-name (file-name-nondirector=
y buffer-file-name))) (setq default-directory (file-name-directory buffer-f=
ile-name)) (or (string=3D new-name (buffer-name)) (rename-buffer new-name t=
)))) (setq buffer-backed-up nil) (or along-with-file (clear-visited-file-mo=
dtime)) (if truename (progn (setq buffer-file-truename (abbreviate-file-nam=
e truename)) (if find-file-visit-truename (setq buffer-file-name truename))=
)) (setq buffer-file-number (if filename (nthcdr 10 (file-attributes buffer=
-file-name)) nil)) (kill-local-variable 'write-file-functions) (kill-local-=
variable 'local-write-file-hooks) (kill-local-variable 'revert-buffer-funct=
ion) (kill-local-variable 'backup-inhibited) (if vc-mode (setq buffer-read-=
only nil)) (kill-local-variable 'vc-mode) (and buffer-file-name backup-enab=
le-predicate (not (funcall backup-enable-predicate buffer-file-name)) (prog=
n (make-local-variable 'backup-inhibited) (setq backup-inhibited t))) (let =
((oauto buffer-auto-save-file-name)) (cond ((null filename) (setq buffer-au=
to-save-file-name nil)) ((not buffer-auto-save-file-name) (and buffer-file-=
name auto-save-default (auto-save-mode t))) (t (setq buffer-auto-save-file-=
name (make-auto-save-file-name)))) (and oauto buffer-auto-save-file-name (f=
ile-exists-p oauto) (rename-file oauto buffer-auto-save-file-name t))) (and=
buffer-file-name (not along-with-file) (set-buffer-modified-p t)) (conditi=
on-case nil (or (not change-major-mode-with-file-name) (get major-mode 'mod=
e-class) (and old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-variables-p)) (hack-local-=
variables t)) (let ((old major-mode)) (set-auto-mode t) (or (eq old major-m=
ode) (hack-local-variables)))) (error nil)) (run-hooks 'after-set-visited-f=
ile-name-hook))
| (closure (t) (filename &optional no-query along-with-file) "Change name=
of file visited in current buff..." (interactive "FSet visited file name: =
") (if (buffer-base-buffer) (error "An indirect buffer cannot visit a file"=
)) (let (truename old-try-locals) (if filename (setq filename (if (string-e=
qual filename "") nil (expand-file-name filename)))) (if filename (progn (s=
etq truename (file-truename filename)) (if find-file-visit-truename (setq f=
ilename truename)))) (if filename (let ((new-name ...)) (if (string=3D new-=
name "") (error "Empty file name")))) (let ((buffer (and filename ...))) (a=
nd buffer (not (eq buffer ...)) (not no-query) (not (y-or-n-p ...)) (user-e=
rror "Aborted"))) (or (equal filename buffer-file-name) (progn (and filenam=
e (lock-buffer filename)) (unlock-buffer))) (setq old-try-locals (not (inhi=
bit-local-variables-p)) buffer-file-name filename) (if filename (let ((new-=
name ...)) (setq default-directory (file-name-directory buffer-file-name)) =
(or (string=3D new-name ...) (rename-buffer new-name t)))) (setq buffer-bac=
ked-up nil) (or along-with-file (clear-visited-file-modtime)) (if truename =
(progn (setq buffer-file-truename (abbreviate-file-name truename)) (if find=
-file-visit-truename (setq buffer-file-name truename)))) (setq buffer-file-=
number (if filename (nthcdr 10 (file-attributes buffer-file-name)) nil)) (k=
ill-local-variable 'write-file-functions) (kill-local-variable 'local-write=
-file-hooks) (kill-local-variable 'revert-buffer-function) (kill-local-vari=
able 'backup-inhibited) (if vc-mode (setq buffer-read-only nil)) (kill-loca=
l-variable 'vc-mode) (and buffer-file-name backup-enable-predicate (not (fu=
ncall backup-enable-predicate buffer-file-name)) (progn (make-local-variabl=
e 'backup-inhibited) (setq backup-inhibited t))) (let ((oauto buffer-auto-s=
ave-file-name)) (cond ((null filename) (setq buffer-auto-save-file-name nil=
)) ((not buffer-auto-save-file-name) (and buffer-file-name auto-save-defaul=
t ...)) (t (setq buffer-auto-save-file-name ...))) (and oauto buffer-auto-s=
ave-file-name (file-exists-p oauto) (rename-file oauto buffer-auto-save-fil=
e-name t))) (and buffer-file-name (not along-with-file) (set-buffer-modifie=
d-p t)) (condition-case nil (or (not change-major-mode-with-file-name) (get=
major-mode 'mode-class) (and old-try-locals (not ...) (hack-local-variable=
s t)) (let (...) (set-auto-mode t) (or ... ...))) (error nil)) (run-hooks '=
after-set-visited-file-name-hook)))("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el" t)
| apply((closure (t) (filename &optional no-query along-with-file) "Chang=
e name of file visited in current buffer to F..." (interactive "FSet visite=
d file name: ") (if (buffer-base-buffer) (error "An indirect buffer cannot =
visit a file")) (let (truename old-try-locals) (if filename (setq filename =
(if (string-equal filename "") nil (expand-file-name filename)))) (if filen=
ame (progn (setq truename (file-truename filename)) (if find-file-visit-tru=
ename (setq filename truename)))) (if filename (let ((new-name (file-name-n=
ondirectory filename))) (if (string=3D new-name "") (error "Empty file name=
")))) (let ((buffer (and filename (find-buffer-visiting filename)))) (and b=
uffer (not (eq buffer (current-buffer))) (not no-query) (not (y-or-n-p (for=
mat "A buffer is visiting %s; proceed? " filename))) (user-error "Aborted")=
)) (or (equal filename buffer-file-name) (progn (and filename (lock-buffer =
filename)) (unlock-buffer))) (setq old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-varia=
bles-p)) buffer-file-name filename) (if filename (let ((new-name (file-name=
-nondirectory buffer-file-name))) (setq default-directory (file-name-direct=
ory buffer-file-name)) (or (string=3D new-name (buffer-name)) (rename-buffe=
r new-name t)))) (setq buffer-backed-up nil) (or along-with-file (clear-vis=
ited-file-modtime)) (if truename (progn (setq buffer-file-truename (abbrevi=
ate-file-name truename)) (if find-file-visit-truename (setq buffer-file-nam=
e truename)))) (setq buffer-file-number (if filename (nthcdr 10 (file-attri=
butes buffer-file-name)) nil)) (kill-local-variable 'write-file-functions) =
(kill-local-variable 'local-write-file-hooks) (kill-local-variable 'revert-=
buffer-function) (kill-local-variable 'backup-inhibited) (if vc-mode (setq =
buffer-read-only nil)) (kill-local-variable 'vc-mode) (and buffer-file-name=
backup-enable-predicate (not (funcall backup-enable-predicate buffer-file-=
name)) (progn (make-local-variable 'backup-inhibited) (setq backup-inhibite=
d t))) (let ((oauto buffer-auto-save-file-name)) (cond ((null filename) (se=
tq buffer-auto-save-file-name nil)) ((not buffer-auto-save-file-name) (and =
buffer-file-name auto-save-default (auto-save-mode t))) (t (setq buffer-aut=
o-save-file-name (make-auto-save-file-name)))) (and oauto buffer-auto-save-=
file-name (file-exists-p oauto) (rename-file oauto buffer-auto-save-file-na=
me t))) (and buffer-file-name (not along-with-file) (set-buffer-modified-p =
t)) (condition-case nil (or (not change-major-mode-with-file-name) (get maj=
or-mode 'mode-class) (and old-try-locals (not (inhibit-local-variables-p)) =
(hack-local-variables t)) (let ((old major-mode)) (set-auto-mode t) (or (eq=
old major-mode) (hack-local-variables)))) (error nil)) (run-hooks 'after-s=
et-visited-file-name-hook))) ("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el" t))
| set-visited-file-name("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el" t)
| (progn (if (directory-name-p filename) (setq filename (concat filename =
(file-name-nondirectory (or buffer-file-name (buffer-name)))))) (and confir=
m (file-exists-p filename) (not (and (eq (framep-on-display) 'ns) (listp la=
st-nonmenu-event) use-dialog-box)) (or (y-or-n-p (format-message "File `%s'=
exists; overwrite? " filename)) (user-error "Canceled"))) (set-visited-fil=
e-name filename (not confirm)))
| (or (null filename) (string-equal filename "") (progn (if (directory-na=
me-p filename) (setq filename (concat filename (file-name-nondirectory (or =
buffer-file-name (buffer-name)))))) (and confirm (file-exists-p filename) (=
not (and (eq (framep-on-display) 'ns) (listp last-nonmenu-event) use-dialog=
-box)) (or (y-or-n-p (format-message "File `%s' exists; overwrite? " filena=
me)) (user-error "Canceled"))) (set-visited-file-name filename (not confirm=
))))
| (closure (t) (filename &optional confirm) "Write current buffer into fi=
le FILENAME.\nThis make..." (interactive (list (if buffer-file-name (read-f=
ile-name "Write file: " nil nil nil nil) (read-file-name "Write file: " def=
ault-directory (expand-file-name (file-name-nondirectory ...) default-direc=
tory) nil nil)) (not current-prefix-arg))) (or (null filename) (string-equa=
l filename "") (progn (if (directory-name-p filename) (setq filename (conca=
t filename (file-name-nondirectory ...)))) (and confirm (file-exists-p file=
name) (not (and (eq ... ...) (listp last-nonmenu-event) use-dialog-box)) (o=
r (y-or-n-p (format-message "File `%s' exists; overwrite? " filename)) (use=
r-error "Canceled"))) (set-visited-file-name filename (not confirm)))) (set=
-buffer-modified-p t) (and buffer-file-name (file-writable-p buffer-file-na=
me) (setq buffer-read-only nil)) (save-buffer) (vc-refresh-state))("/tmp/em=
acs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el")
| apply((closure (t) (filename &optional confirm) "Write current buffer i=
nto file FILENAME.\nThis make..." (interactive (list (if buffer-file-name (=
read-file-name "Write file: " nil nil nil nil) (read-file-name "Write file:=
" default-directory (expand-file-name (file-name-nondirectory ...) default=
-directory) nil nil)) (not current-prefix-arg))) (or (null filename) (strin=
g-equal filename "") (progn (if (directory-name-p filename) (setq filename =
(concat filename (file-name-nondirectory ...)))) (and confirm (file-exists-=
p filename) (not (and (eq ... ...) (listp last-nonmenu-event) use-dialog-bo=
x)) (or (y-or-n-p (format-message "File `%s' exists; overwrite? " filename)=
) (user-error "Canceled"))) (set-visited-file-name filename (not confirm)))=
) (set-buffer-modified-p t) (and buffer-file-name (file-writable-p buffer-f=
ile-name) (setq buffer-read-only nil)) (save-buffer) (vc-refresh-state)) "/=
tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el")
| write-file("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-WDzPUE/init.el")
| gnus-mock-start()
| funcall-interactively(gnus-mock-start)
| call-interactively(gnus-mock-start record nil)
| command-execute(gnus-mock-start record)
When I delete the (buffer-read-only . t) association from
`so-long-variable-overrides' the problem is fixed. The only so-long
thing in my init file is (global-so-long-mode 1). Since some people
will do this and the default behavior breaks gnus-mock I guess you will
want to handle this somehow.
Regards,
Michael.
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> People are expected to use `gnus-mock-start' to start it, which does
>> "emacs -Q" internally.
>
> Ah, I remember.
>
>> The only requirement is that the emacs be run
>> from a build directory, and not an installation.
>
> I tried it from my normal Emacs session and got this:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (buffer-read-only #<buffer .newsrc.eld>)
> replace-match("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-738lXO" t)
> gnus-mock-start()
> funcall-interactively(gnus-mock-start)
> call-interactively(gnus-mock-start record nil)
> command-execute(gnus-mock-start record)
>
> Is that because it is an installed Emacs, or something else? Should I
> investigate?
Man, who would have guessed this would be so difficult... I have no idea
why a data file that ships with the package would become read-only.
I suppose I could wrap that in `inhibit-read-only', but if it's read
only for a reason that will only fail later down the line. Can you check
two things, and then I'll give up for now?
1. Put a breakpoint or edebug or otherwise slow the function down, and
after the data directory has been copied to /tmp, make sure that it
belongs to your user and you have the right permissions?
2. Try this version of gnus-mock-start and see if it works:
(defun gnus-mock-start ()
(interactive)
(let ((mock-tmp-dir (make-temp-file "emacs-gnus-mock-" t)))
(condition-case-unless-debug err
(let ((init-file (expand-file-name "init.el" mock-tmp-dir)))
(with-temp-buffer
(let ((standard-output (current-buffer))
(print-circle nil))
(prin1
`(setq gnus-home-directory ,mock-tmp-dir
init-file-user "mockturtle"
sendmail-program
,(expand-file-name gnus-mock-sendmail-program
mock-tmp-dir)
message-directory ,mock-tmp-dir
gnus-startup-file
,(expand-file-name ".newsrc" mock-tmp-dir)
gnus-init-file
,(expand-file-name ".gnus.el" mock-tmp-dir)
nndraft-directory
,(expand-file-name "drafts/" mock-tmp-dir)
gnus-agent-directory
,(expand-file-name "agent/" mock-tmp-dir)
gnus-directory
,(expand-file-name "News/" mock-tmp-dir)))
(princ "\n\n")
;; Constant that can be checked if we need to know it's a mock
;; session.
(prin1 '(defconst gnus-mock-p t))
(princ "\n")
;; Constant for use in `gnus-mock-reload', which is defined in
;; the .gnus.el startup file.
(prin1 `(defconst gnus-mock-data-dir ,gnus-mock-data-dir))
(when gnus-mock-cleanup-p
(princ "\n")
(prin1 `(add-hook 'kill-emacs-hook
(lambda () (delete-directory
,mock-tmp-dir t)))))
(when gnus-mock-use-images
(princ "\n")
(prin1 `(add-to-list 'load-path
,(format "%s/data" mock-tmp-dir))))
(write-file init-file)))
;; Put our data and config in place.
(copy-directory
gnus-mock-data-dir
(file-name-as-directory mock-tmp-dir) nil nil t)
;; Git doesn't let us commit empty directories, so create our
;; necessary empty maildir bits, and draft directories.
(mapc (lambda (path) (make-directory path t))
(mapcar (lambda (dir)
(format "%s/test/%s" mock-tmp-dir dir))
'("Welcome/new" "Welcome/tmp" "Welcome/.nnmaildir/marks"
"incoming/tmp" "incoming/new" "incoming/cur"
"incoming/.nnmaildir/marks" "incoming/.nnmaildir/nov"
"mails/tmp" "mails/new" "mails/.nnmaildir/marks")))
(make-directory (format "%s/drafts/drafts" mock-tmp-dir) t)
(make-directory (format "%s/drafts/queue" mock-tmp-dir))
;; Possibly insert additional config.
(when gnus-mock-init-file
(with-temp-buffer
(insert-file-contents gnus-mock-init-file)
(append-to-file
(point-min) (point-max) init-file)))
(when gnus-mock-gnus-file
(with-temp-buffer
(insert-file-contents gnus-mock-gnus-file)
(append-to-file
(point-min) (point-max)
(expand-file-name ".gnus.el" mock-tmp-dir))))
;; Possibly add an nnimap server.
(when gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program
(with-temp-buffer
(insert "\n\n")
(prin1
`(add-to-list
'gnus-secondary-select-methods
(quote (nnimap
"Mocky"
(nnimap-stream shell)
(nnimap-shell-program
,(concat
gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program
(format " -o mail_location=maildir:%s/imapmail/mail"
mock-tmp-dir))))))
(current-buffer))
(append-to-file
(point-min) (point-max)
(expand-file-name ".gnus.el" mock-tmp-dir))))
;; There are absolute paths in the .newsrc.eld file, so doctor
;; that file.
(let ((inhibit-read-only t))
(with-current-buffer (find-file-noselect
(expand-file-name ".newsrc.eld" mock-tmp-dir))
(while (re-search-forward "REPLACE_ME" (point-max) t)
(replace-match mock-tmp-dir t))
(when gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program
(goto-char (point-max))
(insert "\n\n")
(prin1
'(setq
gnus-newsrc-alist
(append
gnus-newsrc-alist
'(("nnimap+Mocky:INBOX" 3 nil ((unexist) (seen (1 . 32)))
"nnimap:Mocky" ((modseq . "33") (uidvalidity . "1541087103")
(active 1 . 32)
(permanent-flags %Answered %Flagged %Deleted
%Seen %Draft %*)))
("nnimap+Mocky:emacs-devel" 3 nil ((unexist 0))
"nnimap:Mocky" ((modseq . "21") (uidvalidity . "1541087104")
(active 0 . 20)
(permanent-flags %Answered %Flagged %Deleted
%Seen %Draft %*)))
("nnimap+Mocky:\320\237\321\200\320\270\320\262\320\265\321\202\320\274\320\270\321\200"
3 nil ((unexist) (seen 1))
"nnimap:Mocky" ((modseq . "2") (uidvalidity . "1541087105")
(active 1 . 1)
(permanent-flags %Answered %Flagged %Deleted
%Seen %Draft %*))))))
(current-buffer)))
(basic-save-buffer)))
(let ((default-directory
(expand-file-name
"lisp/gnus"
(file-name-as-directory
(expand-file-name "../.."
gnus-mock-emacs-program)))))
(make-process :name "gnus-mock" :buffer nil
:command (list gnus-mock-emacs-program
"-Q" "--load" init-file)
:stderr "*gnus mock errors*")))
(error (when (and gnus-mock-cleanup-p
(file-exists-p mock-tmp-dir))
(delete-directory mock-tmp-dir t))
(signal (car err) (cdr err))))))
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 10:24:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 06:24:06 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47169 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iL2ww-00062q-F9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:24:06 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:45197) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iL2ws-00062C-SJ for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 06:24:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571307828; bh=DOs6OHTOM1dEFubXcAQ1C+6S6K23iVCkjX161qjgwdM=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=MMr4MF3sWVLtfwTEMv468FR7JGsiZrTe71aEhCSL8m6Z1aEQLjM51quHw8JhT6ctF Mgl9E44Lowl4LbCu2m0PqRdKL8+creVRMG9PAZZeVg9B3BubrDU0qVp29FF0lhUnmq UniEiypgmaQvYWvIlXi8vtGmKPZoabdqpQdl0Alg= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M1o3y-1i1sVC0G6M-00tj4Y; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:23:48 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e55xcj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7a0pu5u.fsf@HIDDEN> <87eezbkc0m.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 12:23:54 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87eezbkc0m.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:32:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87v9snr7ph.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:pWvHq8nbeu0SfaPv+ArjKRIfMwERGA5/oM7KC72+bGEPJQ8uTR5 elcSGW4t3UcPW4vLukbWIG9aWaclR6g4Bcdn4bCyDY8k9jdmEKQuKUDHHrlpZuqUY2oS2Wu wHETYsf9+UnSu0BYBus8cLl841ok8jA/UI1EOENvcSUmG79kfZNzaNxjlCQIb61mDLf+gFL 9jwTlCujb87k/yA8XhBqA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:G/7J36gFH/4=:lL5yqVIOFry+rkfDW3BfRC iMciBBWivMkEOFQSMnOirEBHSLpvfE74XjYKOlnHURUv9Rzo5fz1jx0XXHZPwut/olfa8TSXp US8h0j/QBBH6LxN2J34v4La5kfw8MSy1oiMQ17Wz8aAfb4GC4Vzc9UGlpSlR+IRSSCzgWkrC3 hqYltFpwn2Fby+Ii4jqsMU4SqWIyNho0yrgFLySHJ+MuIi3zCr320BXouIAB4pWf5IR79/twF 4i/g8cuc9TlSxO3W4ZQd6QSu4nOuVRFxwtScVqvCyuwnOZFy2U9WBD6uzsl2+9FM6z89AYRQP shB29+zCFMpG1JchWdglJyO9gsSmeJbyoHqjUbnuq0b5HKsHlNCEGlNtvlrPLLjs5YMxr8dIx FGZsrYQBqxcBH9wcUtl30FG5YA0X9A6zWbxSrVrfXDBTigPAOMJSdBpiLWK6n3bpcZGzPSkEG ybFcm2FTEqkPVHigMelQHlENMpqRTFa+egtv7guVTEXGwoeYp8Gkl77Bb+9PUt592mzWvrPhK CtTFwSwaEy8OzGVtT9Zy0triYodLbsnlLITt07RpqHsiVhkmsWJllkmh4u9pEuq3BAMVh+hYg Zt74zc9/ul0yhyoRFKdYSA8XpFfnGTAYE7EkWTgZVKnPm4svKta2Zhj7TJ+Ni8nngkaOn+pcp 79+rTXFSdQQ2Ji7j3nrGc5FHRozHpibHnyipb2O8GJyLumRvCwTM/dYtitZbB1bcZsSOtk7z5 daD4Va+q3BlU1a1xqmZNVBTx4f23wH1tVfRCqwSscvUGLGlLXcLlnsZ7530f+fMgzEiwV7ijd ybfq2y5uPNWu2aR8H/2TWigAdbMrCx4o8TERH/O8TqHdqr/B/1oCJdG5qaHO4rE/8b2rWvuFO rDsHDscC/oXa8dj9/XNEVWMv0QJi6X2iEF2+jdEADj/7x3hmSmuYTvtuc3Hfjg8ivZ9gY0w0O D9cedVl+f66XVgWvQP6YynxYuQ4y4ecHJSOsMIMGGcz6xsWuICOGm6nQDtQJv/0CzYlqk209a 2WSj18uWL1MabXbkGTC7yhAAN9cZBjmEn6sn6i0kZ5KtjXgmkAAUI54yDea3/Avayqz0GWcph SRl+3Cc9rQns6Gb1LGdn/6NV7fP5xZ8/fxy0cGkNhJuNWz78dhp4V1y94EnZEbvnwfxxUdCu2 x42VU5h8ZC3WMoeRs91mFE835rZxZw+TarvUUOB785dxFb0FtWREuT2yVhJqI1dvj4/Mjb8kt xl6VjMEP77lHRXLzXoJaFM0+k12798r+o6I6tpgjRLy3O4xM1ZgsIAbKg8OY= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Hi again, I played around a bit more, and now I can't reproduce any more. It could have been related to my advice of `gnus-alter-articles-to-read-function'. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Oct 2019 08:32:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 17 04:32:56 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47116 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iL1DM-0003BU-Au for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:32:56 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([217.72.192.78]:52413) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iL1DI-0003BH-Vf for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 04:32:53 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571301155; bh=IBdG3gLJBEiR2TnCAAonr5r2uI3DUYydAwcRBHVzP0U=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=lPDu15MKveSvTRiMnQBMFZutZjaUlCEfAZfD+5iyuVndS9AjGANDWoUP0AYiIGHMh +RTWh5bdSi/5LtoVi+k6Dk4VVxci+hZzXM/IOri4BWeVuFayyhXaRW8TMdD2UbWJyt Lii2cKA2aLhABTRFczRNpZTcDxCTcXTcdi7O53EU= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUnUe-1iXAq71o32-00YB9a; Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:32:35 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e55xcj6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7a0pu5u.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 17 Oct 2019 10:32:41 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a7a0pu5u.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:49:33 -0700") Message-ID: <87eezbkc0m.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:NdR6B7kMPbiHIYFYGGi6jFWmebyGrgvNz8NoiMfOYz+RB4UXArY Jz7zdp4dbwe4II/Cz/wyklBrZ70CJU/Cmkj4gdo7gKSKoU97/1vHRYAw7jGfWWqLS25MVWS QbdO1BiqzBY1kFegBfnhfIfEqCaUsGKx+UpJ2dKA34dhjacn0HKKXprBHIDvhlRWecDp5c/ pXDqwyJb0vRq401zxa1Tg== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:WKQ2Elo4l8w=:dvdWUhqiRg1o3dO0wqvT99 nwe4Nc2SZktw2lTB4dVZ2d8cdy3EEE10d1NATDnKZIHuCVHr+Lc8wCWL/qBK6dWdT8SlNIiYS LhIOTUQOr/e9SFFdu1lMibjBGELhkchu5By2475lrtnvUkLR8/WNjOMMUWiDYK29FffnU4o72 Trg1KzCKfestadqCetjt9b5Pdk4Mj1c0UsPEFC4eZdNKl5tGUPWSm8t7m2nCs5ZhV2gAPyfsh +uGv03GDr6lB7LAdnvmPd38iotJk/jkV18ivaYRwUJYghvmaGUDeJM4bGKSSMg82f5b7j0mLA nmhqilxyYtByvPsdVV8UqO6HEbaz7+FObqWfERWAcxWfsHUAE5/ir9Na2eWfeWOvZQRuMs/q/ 0JiUUo04NHMHWA3mATYDvrrFF0B0jn1NrQdOgyIN+wvDBzUe57sIGh617AdqfcKWYsCzMmqiY VpyP4nHShpbkf3Gtz9Pv0MJvIcLNQhEt1tSD9dY70RKTjMzewybYiYsxUMYp9zuaYx4zuEzFN 0F3G4IFRUHKi686H4dE/CWLF9oEd2aRI3H2Xw4dSIYpITid6FbvnCxMel06ZMfmqrOUhrdcfh oLc56vkUGwKQQ/1tJCTvNjlih3M+crlyJoCV9+FQKTgnGtNFvzLLPUSJrDSGthcfZ1eI5eTAa JEM8Dv39oB6Ux9C8eICaM0wOL25I8/0YJq33GzWHpCwHvCZmVLd0Z45h+BY+ZOZvEsmODGHkP 3/OU/ZZka/MgUqiaJ8ZBHN6fRxSyDYDdRG7EDEZ8OmaFIEwte/9K1+03vznYowSlSM203BIOa +y8VGVfxp0620aqF1d9PsLf+w/trsbIEG7oCn3ZKm/LgrP91kJhFWs559M0A3AwXDCYPkS2ks wK8aGX/e4XjKaYWJuNccG26O91IfJ8pUBSRhzShfa42ZGcoy2qJZ6K3FiRPKKsCg7oEgiEBBG f9RTiUzcADFLKvDOVRjnOgLpy15H4rHsMP3oyWMo5KY0yGzenpJfLnjNVkNeUfrRXS/vKEfiM yikXXJSK050SQyext7i9VGhEfcMbA9k3hWjyITiVwchkq9nFENHKviL6MM7MDGIxHltZTtylq VTEor4y0BiF9Okn7Eqzzny+0Qn2bOaMfSDNq0i228bg/cRWuS7XXs3UY8WUFs5PxKmCFP5RDD CB6ZopugBfHpsVyheNOfRFBNQDdvPcbSADFcJFd8/+GHfekHLYofxNA8C0BPLEXR1jCd64PKY b+Sf/kRVRNq8acJITukCo+o0/Q5nWx3PDIwG12iylwp2WLo2w+mCTx1eSrgE= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > Whoa, definitely not, and that's not how it's supposed to work. I wonder > what could cause that... Do you have > `gnus-summary-display-while-building' set to anything? No. > Oh, I remember you've got some advice on message limiting? I forget > what, exactly. Maybe try disabling that and see if it has anything to do > with it? I currently have no such advices enabled afaict. How can I debug this - where is the old article line supposed to be removed? I see that line duplication happens in `gnus-summary-update-article', but it's quite complex. Thanks, Michael.
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> People are expected to use `gnus-mock-start' to start it, which does
> "emacs -Q" internally.
Ah, I remember.
> The only requirement is that the emacs be run
> from a build directory, and not an installation.
I tried it from my normal Emacs session and got this:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (buffer-read-only #<buffer .newsrc.eld>)
replace-match("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-738lXO" t)
gnus-mock-start()
funcall-interactively(gnus-mock-start)
call-interactively(gnus-mock-start record nil)
command-execute(gnus-mock-start record)
Is that because it is an installed Emacs, or something else? Should I
investigate?
Thanks,
Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 15:49:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 16 11:49:42 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46405 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iKlYU-0003k7-58 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:49:42 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:47186 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iKlYS-0003jv-M5 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:49:40 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id E8097FA028; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:49:34 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <877e55xcj6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:49:33 -0700 In-Reply-To: <877e55xcj6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:30:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87a7a0pu5u.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > Oh, and you also noted that part >> > >> >> Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again >> >> :-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone. >> > >> > in one of my previous messages, right? > >> Anything other way to narrow this down? > > Hmm, currently I can't reproduce either. I'll start using registry > marks again in real life and see if it works reliable now. > > One little thing that bothers me however: when I hit M M i, or when I > remove a mark with M M I, the article line gets doubled: one line has > the mark, and the other doesn't. Do you see that too? Whoa, definitely not, and that's not how it's supposed to work. I wonder what could cause that... Do you have `gnus-summary-display-while-building' set to anything? Oh, I remember you've got some advice on message limiting? I forget what, exactly. Maybe try disabling that and see if it has anything to do with it?
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 16 Oct 2019 15:47:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 16 11:47:00 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46401 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iKlVs-0003fw-KR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:47:00 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:47070 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iKlVr-0003fk-F6 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:47:00 -0400 Received: from localhost (c-73-254-86-141.hsd1.wa.comcast.net [73.254.86.141]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id EDF2BFA028; Wed, 16 Oct 2019 15:46:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2019 08:46:51 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87h849xds3.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 16 Oct 2019 11:03:56 +0200") Message-ID: <87eezcpuac.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> > Would it make sense to change the default of gnus-mock-emacs-program to >> > something like (expand-file-name "src/emacs" source-directory) or >> > similar? >> >> Yes, that would probably work. But it still make assumptions about how >> the user is working on emacs. Probably I should just default the option >> to nil and ask users to always set it explicitly. > > Wouldn't that be the worst default since people are expected to use > emacs -Q to start gnus-mock? People are expected to use `gnus-mock-start' to start it, which does "emacs -Q" internally. The only requirement is that the emacs be run from a build directory, and not an installation.
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Hmm, currently I can't reproduce either. I'll start using registry marks again in real life and see if it works reliable now. One little thing that bothers me however: when I hit M M i, or when I remove a mark with M M I, the article line gets doubled: one line has the mark, and the other doesn't. Do you see that too? Regards, Michael.
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But it still make assumptions about how > the user is working on emacs. Probably I should just default the option > to nil and ask users to always set it explicitly. Wouldn't that be the worst default since people are expected to use emacs -Q to start gnus-mock? Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 20:12:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 16:12:07 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44925 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iKTAt-0007sP-Hv for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:12:07 -0400 Received: from ericabrahamsen.net ([52.70.2.18]:55250 helo=mail.ericabrahamsen.net) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1iKTAo-0007rr-PL for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:12:05 -0400 Received: from localhost (67-40-27-198.tukw.qwest.net [67.40.27.198]) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C9FC1FA0C0; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 20:11:56 +0000 (UTC) From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 13:11:55 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:28:26 +0200") Message-ID: <87lftlsr90.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/15/19 16:28 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> In the interim, you can set `gnus-mock-emacs-program' to point to an >> emacs executable in a source tree checkout, and it ought to work fine. > > Would it make sense to change the default of gnus-mock-emacs-program to > something like (expand-file-name "src/emacs" source-directory) or > similar? Yes, that would probably work. But it still make assumptions about how the user is working on emacs. Probably I should just default the option to nil and ask users to always set it explicitly. > > Oh, and you also noted that part > >> Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again >> :-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone. > > in one of my previous messages, right? Ha, yes, I got distracted. Unfortunately I haven't been able to reproduce so far. I start Gnus with this in the init file: (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 10) (gnus-registry-initialize) (defalias 'gnus-user-format-function-M 'gnus-registry-article-marks-to-chars) (setq gnus-summary-line-format "%uM%U%R%z%I%(%[%4L: %-23,23f%]%) %s\n") Mark some articles as Important or ToDo, stop and restart Gnus, and everything is still present. I opened a bunch of other groups, so that pruning (if that were the issue) would have dumped the entries with the marks, but they are kept as expected. Anything other way to narrow this down? eric
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2019 14:28:40 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 15 10:28:40 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44658 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iKNoV-0005S0-QT for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:28:40 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:45797) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1iKNoS-0005Rl-SA for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 10:28:38 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1571149699; bh=6s9sMfL/NkSKPTi+pW2l6S6FryAucU3EVaqLvkjioVg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=C6rumTPAYkQJhHqcs0BmBAr7nphgRbCE/kTU9j22a1/HBpY4wJjjpINZl6kWH2Kp+ /VdT+HFj8sl6/YUnJg1ZfUSPeOf25A/Amm/f9bArUyIvF4TEH5ZmLVMNrG8fVTJm2t q5e/gTczjFiVbNIDoBlv6bQapyPshNsKEvG6bJ/c= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.222.9]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Ls92l-1hvBlN3SIx-013ygT; Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:28:18 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8za4gbl.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mueuicys.fsf@HIDDEN> <87d0fgnik0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87v9srzm9g.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 15 Oct 2019 16:28:26 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ftjvz045.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Mon, 14 Oct 2019 10:51:38 -0700") Message-ID: <87tv8ajd6d.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oS8ryHP1DwQRIxj6Wbrpl5SpLSpCib8CJAXp40tEN0mQeJTO2v/ xe95YiKiGSXN1D7Os8eQgpIVjIWvlTma+x1gac295mhIcTwHOKtMsB23gggM+YO2ZsLehUp ydLMnDGBVeunFTEQjoFbgqsAjld+sASBewc9uZM1vhg+JDo6V2ky6QTzbvSg8QWHuvVmE7A fMBMXxnqFXsDPS+nIXmMQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:R1SGtrrhVnc=:05cf7yHJSi0upM/1dIwRd7 TsM0m7RMoPFAgzXzRkJMHUcuO6OwPromA70mU51ZBVf09zCRfrlQoyq8XRPH0QRhG0d3pstTM J3BofI4KFpQwMm4FmW4w+qSccG6OEZPiQfvIgt+gCaMjs4w+3TbvN8h/aY9etKqyfaig+67wL ZNDu5Bhtgm9ySJdWmpumFdQ3hTiJKiZAG0b6Sox9OnT82ho9+DiYHyiEXBBkKLPZefoCvE7WD n4FBObx/oorUk/GrvMRm1DOj7Wl0XnUPXEhPHILSqrXLKLRDr4N4TSr6SxVPsIkpRPNj3sRNw VMorcXtMD0tV2nxPWMGR/MFBj8OwnKR+UEg3qt8FMstH2V/Ib24PAuD7Y3/LI+lKClKl0hs64 G/ngev8Et1o2Gh1TSM+HY2ICTswAs8fVl8+QINO03qafxaYxVyTXvN26Witk03t8y4PRm5m38 dP7Ir42qZ1RZ3Pk16rg41K7bwk7f/ed0UM/9R7nSpLnW4GjBCZaJ8AcyoV7jgOtzbIyzvWakk HUieXAxmlsr3yuAWS9WtanrhuzOXWrln3C016MrYLoJ50FJ68Kq49IGgnZJDiXhkz4P7uRbNQ copx88Xr1Naw9YjS50ne4KVcNmycPPFTuHcCJ5Ka5xL2hvK1jn8BEGKup+EtarpNZ7UWDABPr L//vjahoaOD/LAbtMxQ6Pk5IMTXFQfzbNgVbYtxNuDxESgkO39ymQMU3TrWvwSSzyqCAT3pHv eY/aGqRJa0LGMw/gXMXBDXCQopRr4rX0rHFjqEtNThlkqX/SEH/lLLufDARD09QDVSG/gcnYH JJdVgmBiDZ2xw7JWZ9dG1jKM+yaoo+CZTwGdCnB9uYZpywQ83grXo6CLxh/AEKLk51PWNJFVB OYaJGH68IzTSaChjbs8mfGE1dIeJljF3+NYzzTfHCvUQ2nPCSSMgS73DUWvurRCWvjGSCWA6K OMi2ryokeY8l1c8dg1Gyv9uGpc0zFIBNn2H2BKyOdaUP8wikqljXjFrjtGUI1oj/cvDkXKgY7 wOsvtodWEtXmNYk9UMShtYS1tU3dtfkdpTCFyaeF2rdBePOsy9ESKQgG5Mlzl7jsXlO5NwVw6 bpQH/nQRJn+KPJ41MMSO1D4pItGzhVXTb19ZaY8byTOursjDZ8vAAT+jrMLj+A/FednPGfYNN 07nu7lH+ptk+QgCaiENdw3ciYdJO2tXMor4X0hghR81L+9EesIhxqGM3CqEAvXi0rT4m+j7CK twie5i4wEGNhUXB54E30sKctfDS46W/XvamRXDkqmIhPMDC40YBlylXX55mU= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > In the interim, you can set `gnus-mock-emacs-program' to point to an > emacs executable in a source tree checkout, and it ought to work fine. Would it make sense to change the default of gnus-mock-emacs-program to something like (expand-file-name "src/emacs" source-directory) or similar? Oh, and you also noted that part > Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again > :-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone. in one of my previous messages, right? Regards, Michael.
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On 10/14/19 11:53 AM, Michael Heerdegen wrote:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hey do let me know what system you're running!
>
> Sorry for the delay. Ok, Debian testing here.
>
>> If I do:
>>
>> 1. emacs -Q
>> 2. M-x load-file -> ~/.emacs.d/elpa/gnus-mock-0.4.2/gnus-mock.el
>>
>> Then gnus-mock-data-dir is set correctly. I don't know what else might
>> be going wrong!
>
> I tried again. I get gnus-mock-data-dir ->
> "/home/micha/.emacs.d/elpa/gnus-mock-0.4.2/data/". When I do M-x
> gnus-mock-start I currently get this error:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-missing "Setting current
> directory" "No such file or directory" "/home/lisp/gnus")
> make-process(:name "gnus-mock" :buffer nil :command ("emacs" "-Q"
> "--load" "/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-jvYPdC/init.el") :stderr "*gnus mock
> errors*")
Thanks! Okay, it looks like I made a dumb assumption about how people
would be using this -- I assumed this package would only be used for
*developing* Gnus, and thus `gnus-mock-emacs-program' would always be
pointed at a "src/emacs" executable in a build tree. I don't even have
emacs installed as a package on my machine, and only ever run it from
one of the source directories. But of course that's not the code I wrote
-- by default it will find an installed version of emacs if you have
one, and then this default-directory setting will fail.
In the interim, you can set `gnus-mock-emacs-program' to point to an
emacs executable in a source tree checkout, and it ought to work fine. I
should probably change the code to require that, or else figure out how
to start up successfully from an installed emacs program.
Eric
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hey do let me know what system you're running!
Sorry for the delay. Ok, Debian testing here.
> If I do:
>
> 1. emacs -Q
> 2. M-x load-file -> ~/.emacs.d/elpa/gnus-mock-0.4.2/gnus-mock.el
>
> Then gnus-mock-data-dir is set correctly. I don't know what else might
> be going wrong!
I tried again. I get gnus-mock-data-dir ->
"/home/micha/.emacs.d/elpa/gnus-mock-0.4.2/data/". When I do M-x
gnus-mock-start I currently get this error:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (file-missing "Setting current directory" "No=
such file or directory" "/home/lisp/gnus")
make-process(:name "gnus-mock" :buffer nil :command ("emacs" "-Q" "--load=
" "/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-jvYPdC/init.el") :stderr "*gnus mock errors*")
(let ((default-directory (expand-file-name "lisp/gnus" (file-name-as-dire=
ctory (expand-file-name "../.." gnus-mock-emacs-program))))) (make-process =
:name "gnus-mock" :buffer nil :command (list gnus-mock-emacs-program "-Q" "=
--load" init-file) :stderr "*gnus mock errors*"))
(let ((init-file (expand-file-name "init.el" mock-tmp-dir))) (let ((temp-=
buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*"))) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer t=
emp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn (let ((standard-output ...) (print-circl=
e nil)) (prin1 (list ... ... mock-tmp-dir ... "mockturtle" ... ... ... mock=
-tmp-dir ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...)) (princ "\n\n") (prin1 '.=
..) (princ "\n") (prin1 (list ... ... gnus-mock-data-dir)) (if gnus-mock-cl=
eanup-p (progn ... ...)) (if gnus-mock-use-images (progn ... ...)) (write-f=
ile init-file))) (and (buffer-name temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer)))=
)) (copy-directory gnus-mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory mock-tmp-dir)=
nil nil t) (mapc #'(lambda (path) (make-directory path t)) (mapcar #'(lamb=
da (dir) (format "%s/test/%s" mock-tmp-dir dir)) '("Welcome/new" "Welcome/t=
mp" "Welcome/.nnmaildir/marks" "incoming/tmp" "incoming/new" "incoming/cur"=
"incoming/.nnmaildir/marks" "incoming/.nnmaildir/nov" "mails/tmp" "mails/n=
ew" "mails/.nnmaildir/marks"))) (make-directory (format "%s/drafts/drafts" =
mock-tmp-dir) t) (make-directory (format "%s/drafts/queue" mock-tmp-dir)) (=
if gnus-mock-init-file (progn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *te=
mp*"))) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (prog=
n (insert-file-contents gnus-mock-init-file) (append-to-file ... ... init-f=
ile)) (and (buffer-name temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer))))))) (if gn=
us-mock-gnus-file (progn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*")=
)) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn (in=
sert-file-contents gnus-mock-gnus-file) (append-to-file ... ... ...)) (and =
(buffer-name temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer))))))) (if gnus-mock-dov=
ecot-imap-program (progn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*")=
)) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn (in=
sert "\n\n") (prin1 ... ...) (append-to-file ... ... ...)) (and (buffer-nam=
e temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer))))))) (save-current-buffer (set-bu=
ffer (find-file-noselect (expand-file-name ".newsrc.eld" mock-tmp-dir))) (w=
hile (re-search-forward "REPLACE_ME" (point-max) t) (replace-match mock-tmp=
-dir t)) (if gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program (progn (goto-char (point-max)) =
(insert "\n\n") (prin1 '(setq gnus-newsrc-alist (append gnus-newsrc-alist .=
..)) (current-buffer)))) (basic-save-buffer)) (let ((default-directory (exp=
and-file-name "lisp/gnus" (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "../.."=
gnus-mock-emacs-program))))) (make-process :name "gnus-mock" :buffer nil :=
command (list gnus-mock-emacs-program "-Q" "--load" init-file) :stderr "*gn=
us mock errors*")))
(condition-case err (let ((init-file (expand-file-name "init.el" mock-tmp=
-dir))) (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*"))) (save-current-=
buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn (let (... ...) (prin=
1 ...) (princ "\n\n") (prin1 ...) (princ "\n") (prin1 ...) (if gnus-mock-cl=
eanup-p ...) (if gnus-mock-use-images ...) (write-file init-file))) (and (b=
uffer-name temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer))))) (copy-directory gnus-=
mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory mock-tmp-dir) nil nil t) (mapc #'(lam=
bda (path) (make-directory path t)) (mapcar #'(lambda (dir) (format "%s/tes=
t/%s" mock-tmp-dir dir)) '("Welcome/new" "Welcome/tmp" "Welcome/.nnmaildir/=
marks" "incoming/tmp" "incoming/new" "incoming/cur" "incoming/.nnmaildir/ma=
rks" "incoming/.nnmaildir/nov" "mails/tmp" "mails/new" "mails/.nnmaildir/ma=
rks"))) (make-directory (format "%s/drafts/drafts" mock-tmp-dir) t) (make-d=
irectory (format "%s/drafts/queue" mock-tmp-dir)) (if gnus-mock-init-file (=
progn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*"))) (save-current-bu=
ffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn ... ...) (and ... ...)=
))))) (if gnus-mock-gnus-file (progn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffe=
r " *temp*"))) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protec=
t (progn ... ...) (and ... ...)))))) (if gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program (pr=
ogn (let ((temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*"))) (save-current-buff=
er (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn ... ... ...) (and ... ..=
.)))))) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer (find-file-noselect (expand-file-n=
ame ".newsrc.eld" mock-tmp-dir))) (while (re-search-forward "REPLACE_ME" (p=
oint-max) t) (replace-match mock-tmp-dir t)) (if gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-pro=
gram (progn (goto-char (point-max)) (insert "\n\n") (prin1 '(setq gnus-news=
rc-alist ...) (current-buffer)))) (basic-save-buffer)) (let ((default-direc=
tory (expand-file-name "lisp/gnus" (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-nam=
e "../.." gnus-mock-emacs-program))))) (make-process :name "gnus-mock" :buf=
fer nil :command (list gnus-mock-emacs-program "-Q" "--load" init-file) :st=
derr "*gnus mock errors*"))) ((debug error) (if (and gnus-mock-cleanup-p (f=
ile-exists-p mock-tmp-dir)) (progn (delete-directory mock-tmp-dir t))) (sig=
nal (car err) (cdr err))))
(let ((mock-tmp-dir (make-temp-file "emacs-gnus-mock-" t))) (condition-ca=
se err (let ((init-file (expand-file-name "init.el" mock-tmp-dir))) (let ((=
temp-buffer (generate-new-buffer " *temp*"))) (save-current-buffer (set-buf=
fer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect (progn (let ... ... ... ... ... ... ... ..=
. ...)) (and (buffer-name temp-buffer) (kill-buffer temp-buffer))))) (copy-=
directory gnus-mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory mock-tmp-dir) nil nil =
t) (mapc #'(lambda (path) (make-directory path t)) (mapcar #'(lambda (dir) =
(format "%s/test/%s" mock-tmp-dir dir)) '("Welcome/new" "Welcome/tmp" "Welc=
ome/.nnmaildir/marks" "incoming/tmp" "incoming/new" "incoming/cur" "incomin=
g/.nnmaildir/marks" "incoming/.nnmaildir/nov" "mails/tmp" "mails/new" "mail=
s/.nnmaildir/marks"))) (make-directory (format "%s/drafts/drafts" mock-tmp-=
dir) t) (make-directory (format "%s/drafts/queue" mock-tmp-dir)) (if gnus-m=
ock-init-file (progn (let ((temp-buffer ...)) (save-current-buffer (set-buf=
fer temp-buffer) (unwind-protect ... ...))))) (if gnus-mock-gnus-file (prog=
n (let ((temp-buffer ...)) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (u=
nwind-protect ... ...))))) (if gnus-mock-dovecot-imap-program (progn (let (=
(temp-buffer ...)) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer temp-buffer) (unwind-pr=
otect ... ...))))) (save-current-buffer (set-buffer (find-file-noselect (ex=
pand-file-name ".newsrc.eld" mock-tmp-dir))) (while (re-search-forward "REP=
LACE_ME" (point-max) t) (replace-match mock-tmp-dir t)) (if gnus-mock-dovec=
ot-imap-program (progn (goto-char (point-max)) (insert "\n\n") (prin1 '... =
(current-buffer)))) (basic-save-buffer)) (let ((default-directory (expand-f=
ile-name "lisp/gnus" (file-name-as-directory ...)))) (make-process :name "g=
nus-mock" :buffer nil :command (list gnus-mock-emacs-program "-Q" "--load" =
init-file) :stderr "*gnus mock errors*"))) ((debug error) (if (and gnus-moc=
k-cleanup-p (file-exists-p mock-tmp-dir)) (progn (delete-directory mock-tmp=
-dir t))) (signal (car err) (cdr err)))))
gnus-mock-start()
funcall-interactively(gnus-mock-start)
call-interactively(gnus-mock-start record nil)
command-execute(gnus-mock-start record)
execute-extended-command(nil "gnus-mock-start" "gnus-mock")
funcall-interactively(execute-extended-command nil "gnus-mock-start" "gnu=
s-mock")
call-interactively(execute-extended-command nil nil)
command-execute(execute-extended-command)
Regards,
Michael.
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> Ok, can we close this report - seems we are done?
>>
>> Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again
>> :-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone.
>>
>> I wanted to try with gnus-mock but it errors:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (buffer-read-only #<buffer .newsrc.eld|emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay>)
>> replace-match("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay" t)
>> gnus-mock-start()
>> [...]
>>
>> I tried to load the source of gnus-mock to get a more meaningful
>> backtrace but that also errors:
>>
>> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
>> file-name-directory(nil)
>> (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))
>> (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name)))
>> (defconst gnus-mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))) "Source directory for Gnus mock data.")
>> eval-region(1 10407) ; Reading at buffer position 5125
>>
>> Hmm...
>
> Ah, this was a question I had when I was first writing gnus-mock --
> load-file-name was reliably present for all my tests, but they were only
> on Linux. Can you tell me what system you're running? Presumably
> there are better alternatives to load-file-name under different
> circumstances.
Hey do let me know what system you're running! If I do:
1. emacs -Q
2. M-x load-file -> ~/.emacs.d/elpa/gnus-mock-0.4.2/gnus-mock.el
Then gnus-mock-data-dir is set correctly. I don't know what else might
be going wrong!
Eric
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Ok, can we close this report - seems we are done?
>
> Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again
> :-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone.
>
> I wanted to try with gnus-mock but it errors:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (buffer-read-only #<buffer .newsrc.eld|emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay>)
> replace-match("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay" t)
> gnus-mock-start()
> [...]
>
> I tried to load the source of gnus-mock to get a more meaningful
> backtrace but that also errors:
>
> Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
> file-name-directory(nil)
> (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))
> (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name)))
> (defconst gnus-mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))) "Source directory for Gnus mock data.")
> eval-region(1 10407) ; Reading at buffer position 5125
>
> Hmm...
Ah, this was a question I had when I was first writing gnus-mock --
load-file-name was reliably present for all my tests, but they were only
on Linux. Can you tell me what system you're running? Presumably
there are better alternatives to load-file-name under different
circumstances.
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Ok, can we close this report - seems we are done?
Sorry for the bad news - but my registry marks are disappearing again
:-( Just after restarting Gnus they are gone.
I wanted to try with gnus-mock but it errors:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (buffer-read-only #<buffer .newsrc.eld|emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay>)
replace-match("/tmp/emacs-gnus-mock-ENKWay" t)
gnus-mock-start()
[...]
I tried to load the source of gnus-mock to get a more meaningful
backtrace but that also errors:
Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument stringp nil)
file-name-directory(nil)
(expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))
(file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name)))
(defconst gnus-mock-data-dir (file-name-as-directory (expand-file-name "data" (file-name-directory load-file-name))) "Source directory for Gnus mock data.")
eval-region(1 10407) ; Reading at buffer position 5125
Hmm...
Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005-done) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 16:58:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 12:58:50 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47418 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gB0m2-00086X-G9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:58:50 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:44325) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gB0m0-00086P-D8 for 33005-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:58:48 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id A0ABF3F085; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:58:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539363528; bh=Scb/m2jR6VzJvi4eFm8MpuxzZVoWWWuAebVFY3Vu0dQ=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=L3Iw1PoI5mIYr+DVSdud1mYnk1wZKIGB0DMbbGoCfYNZRKeivEpli4sg9Xrw00uRt sTTsOjRKYWpx4EjsUSBa4ibcaNtOD7V5Ws8EfI9EnKeOtXoaFVhmjVfDET54n/eS6w KO/513XH+CULPjcrpV9jZyT7bwRvqXlzoAE4SNDA= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:58:45 -0700 In-Reply-To: <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:46:09 +0200") Message-ID: <87h8hrxfsq.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005-done Cc: 33005-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/12/18 16:46 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> I don't see any reason not to remove the `cdr', and will do so unless >> someone objects cogently, soon. > > Ok, can we close this report - seems we are done? Yup, closing now.
Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>:Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>:Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 16:57:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 12:57:50 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47413 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gB0l4-00084v-6j for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:57:50 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:44275) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gB0l2-00084o-L3 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 12:57:49 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 9398B3F085; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:57:47 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539363467; bh=E+ZEYN+/Y2HYGnKJA4ozDQ7JuOl8QyUX9Srloja66VA=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=DLoKdDMw6kcLIrIixCD0IZImagrwMcxjgScTMENTmLVzKooeOhJgmo0ce07g5c1YG dHOW73DUs+9NegySWIC7LqCEnaB18Y3eSs6Gr5xZORzNldrwI0WkCUy90sK/xLgMJf GL6AIwP3wWvlz0Zs543tMUk/Ftb4HtRI6Fm+Dk3Y= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in27ckix.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 09:57:44 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87in27ckix.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:22:14 +0200") Message-ID: <87lg73xfuf.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/12/18 16:22 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Well, let's see if anyone is interested in a generalized solution! > > What do you think I should do with the thing? Propose it to > emacs.gnus.general, or just upload to Gnu Elpa? I'd put it in Elpa and then alert the list -- things tend to just disappear if you post them without a permanent home.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 14:46:31 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 10:46:31 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47383 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAyhx-0004vs-D1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:46:31 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:41579) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAyhu-0004vX-G3 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:46:27 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Llna8-1fbdsw3HUG-00ZRAo; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:46:10 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb101 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Llna8-1fbdsw3HUG-00ZRAo; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:46:10 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:46:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700") Message-ID: <878t33cjf2.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:cIc1jvbO8oW5csG5vzOE/3NTl6Mim0GnGPz50MSNJy9lo1NKIFm /0WFcUtYeKOd3yvNaQ7Xy4Fldgpbxjw2Q28s2d+yjaQB56jiKcCRSzBLeBTI3rtb2yH4ap2 RCFpby5WhFpIZIEuO3fOD1i7c/OZMcXdouLM0DLCpxfb6y0k553+csKxiVYbcVi9xIugJe5 +M8ab+5qej7TNVlBrYglw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:yforMvWqiis=:TY1kS6+6w8h8pjoHqWyMdt Y2FHgo1q/2Jz3LzGE6NgQFlB9lF1TvSUcdi5hp/QdipZ/k62IzZEAEnBhKXErnKtyrexKzfBc KtkQm3sCB6FZAek6YQkIzUlNsaRpbMOcKzEUCedOv1JBgBGIv8S9ETajwHFUPeIaonQXlNKQo E0xpPN7kmhs+uZueM2n6Z/5ITHfn7VvX+0xe2PR5AEs8SJG0iMnpJGhPU4CjsSkqddBUnaDqQ Lwc5awCvfw+tDAZs4zSzpkouBZz8Z4VSPrcO9AmbCTU7NgkZILF5qQ1rYOnHWm4uFNOfH7dtE +7NeFeETq+OR/AXHgnFpfR+n/r7Cm6XqkVqomPalb8pgtKLLGYabZb0UlZ+4iR/xDiI+ZzlS6 i82/LS/VVVZq+CX7XCV0pEFlebH2vbL8A/7Mgtqe5Qt5mKMT0AU5AjSC6H5Sl+4v0k1v9yfy5 KLRIQPHodhUl7aUUZrpW2er5Ye0BE7k7meAfMB3v6mzEmiEQJDk8JNoNOwsijBPcDs3IFii/V VI0HSVNoWVQuPeSXsB16TiLH7TuB81XCXNa5d6fvu1BsNNxHdGS79k4xBVdJ4dNeZ5oLd/oav lCQyFV5NKSBkc8RjN7ZntSb8IjhHRxTWkJq+ToInHRkqGbsegnQWGWSfl2AmnqnFpvR5Lqwza 5lEKr2YfnQw/ZQomg2T0PlJcDiFRNe6XzMdTf2arZKSYJRjzU3m5Es+eZpfgb6wf8mcyxjAAV DG+XJUeF+/+65dn0ZlrnlXgDhmOR6agQYrwKhRLvJN/6aUVX2jDkE0HwvxOldiOOyHnJ8U3MJ PJD2JyajLxEvEp4vRJYTMceHEPt4xMvCYEddPg2pzjP5wnbVyo= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > I don't see any reason not to remove the `cdr', and will do so unless > someone objects cogently, soon. Ok, can we close this report - seems we are done? Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 14:22:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 10:22:36 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47367 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAyKp-0004IH-8E for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:22:35 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.11]:39449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAyKn-0004I1-1x for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 10:22:33 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lm4hJ-1fbuh728Yr-00ZhEf; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:22:16 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb103 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Lm4hJ-1fbuh728Yr-00ZhEf; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:22:16 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 16:22:14 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:09:20 -0700") Message-ID: <87in27ckix.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:CTlvmGNM32NF/pKfZcMjbpKBJ1345Rtd9nfHgU5wxrdV+Hg8Q9z OPZzVtECdwUkPKZNJtYEuUMnE8yHnKwpQQYmb/wcnwdIaaMLVVr1pt37b6wbnhS7BCeemgp D2Vr+TiX40ISwX3+wrCVzmTMDWOpyEsaSzPGERwCdITsQ1tx6sTGe+zEZRd/CPJ/CSvPLWx 2iksW+n6vONx4ZTSa3c3Q== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:t3ViZHOk2Kg=:i0P26a1F0W9v8SrxwTWwpu qv1KWqljgQIs9xioW3IJW1oZkg3nThdjunyO2b4Z+1VfTyDnoGYAlOLZWssYt3tz177ApblLh v4Z/dIujFxWyDDlSNUrNZdFiIUdnnY6cthN9Ox36GwThJabluMZW2hJvmHreLOipgc4qGw0SY FkcfRbRRERT/Z2TIjZhRg4fEtjIw4iat3XRRssSDmQGeWM0xU7hFZ2IGXhJK759XsypYc+zKr SOFy0gz5HKIsirsT9o7gtyIubIvgMaQnoat2MoltBA/QS/SJYo07IaEKYzcaZt4GmHPoqWanF GqJf98AxDwxahIK1KnU+xN08NUc/CEZVTT82NaCu7koXK4nzunhlN67UmXQxN6FqbG+GWC+xK 6xObnWT3aRmHVyYgv5I/jZa9vqpUIMATozZC7dxpkvWbyM6AJ+aaZrR7VJjMs70Pan57h4mEb /cuwse8uRWxQVBiYurNVwze/IXX5cNBPpzX9ThFpu0EToqeuzSqmIIKPPrYSFN+kkgcvRUbOa WhJDxhMJpv1nV02IwzPr/ElID3DChJzfTvA/du6igomaSF1iD4CO1PvXIxeIDT0Tj1nmZadWx 06M5t6eDBC4YS0yG+H2q13XqEdYgOvWq60iIARtMSVMbCDTw3IJH2/8iGLBo2Wg2lRtlJlIIX IEaVr8fdYqc+zVCnEKitp3sPrjbkLL7tCHtg21cvMLxQAqznokvwIpN3i92snutrBGXj+lQZS y6N7yNOodCTByH+Ryk+oAkfIy8BX4T+tgUO3BgKigCUVhoxJZ4WMZOrjeFv0GyBZ9qhunBrrG DmjIU92hz07zHgT2PrQ7lxpOgzzp6KAK6QnmqVs1XDqmr9HZmI= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > Well, let's see if anyone is interested in a generalized solution! What do you think I should do with the thing? Propose it to emacs.gnus.general, or just upload to Gnu Elpa? Thanks, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 12:51:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 08:51:52 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46006 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAwv2-0008BW-HN for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:51:52 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:44337) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAwv0-0008BH-9I for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:51:50 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAwur-0004Hl-30 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:51:45 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.5 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_05 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35024) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAwuq-0004H2-U9; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:51:40 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2007 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAwup-0001RP-ML; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 08:51:40 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 15:51:37 +0300 Message-Id: <83bm7zwco6.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87bm7zxw6i.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:04:53 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736tcz1p3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83va67x04s.fsf@HIDDEN> <87bm7zxw6i.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: eric@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> > Cc: eric@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:04:53 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > > Why do you think people know what you expect? > > > > Because I said it many times here. The fact is, most people do ask. > > But CONTRIBUTE tells something different. CONTRIBUTE's main audience is people who have no write access to the Emacs repository, so what it says just tells them on what branch to base the patches. The decision to which branch to push is then made by someone who actually pushes the changes. I'm okay with adding the request to ask about committing to the release branch, but at the time I was under the impression that some people didn't agree with such a policy, so I'm not sure the project as a whole would like it carved in stone from here to eternity. > I have the feeling that some people ask because they are lost, not > because they know that it is expected that they ask. That's not the reality. People explicitly ask _me_ whether it's okay to push to the release branch; the exceptions are almost non-existent.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 11:05:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 07:05:14 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45959 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAvFq-0003bx-4Y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:05:14 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.17.12]:53219) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAvFn-0003be-G2 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:05:12 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LxfKp-1faM290tL9-017DVK; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:04:54 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb102 [213.165.67.124]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0LxfKp-1faM290tL9-017DVK; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:04:54 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736tcz1p3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83va67x04s.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 13:04:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83va67x04s.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:24:51 +0300") Message-ID: <87bm7zxw6i.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:oKzT+EkiLZT3hJFP+M/WgJZsgRxS76PHAmsx+oCywChX4aEvYsE YmbdK5uDMpcTTBej5eRPnIk6AtQ/krLU8C3M0uRzell4qYeXCHVMT2/ipf/I+n/sQ2ESfST KOGnQ/aTxmHCBUMtRIUMFd+HeQqOwiXmSkVvsvgr8Z3nPe1J5z1nwafAnqgpHfDXAXeILrk 2K6TddmFMDyMjH9ZrZ+tA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:sMLrCBdFyWk=:G0oacr5eqT8U03ZwJsTXfk 1YOMrGrCpgiMqR0x77ab8Y9W91+Mvg2e1hbtQyM82MnGusLokT1J43s6AB3W7fVilQZ/l4WOa cF2o2X3G0VJ0RPUCo20X0YDbGuWwC5shhlLZMPSRqq6tA8uQgjALWPVgo8N0mzZ4Aw9mCokwy gFdJfRAhrEabeDAXrsq6zn+Tv2gHobZa6lp3QXd1sPZ8of+U2Su4gmJNvQriaqd9tl7T0cGFr PRdcX4amFLwuY7r5r8823W0ZL3pREkLMq72/If3I4jQFDpDc/D1VUmnGbfmDcJ3mMT+gxDjzw 33G2oyRGBnc00XwNE2/GqFK2IhwNrDtKt8xgCm80mbQ9ywfL+3CWA//ldzSCdC6aeIGN9UGOz ZaCJFx/E13QBFM4o/pw5VS7R/H5ySTuUzaD65iNnCF5XCdozeHA6ZrU6qQ8Wz7CFk/7xd8VYV p25T1QCeHwqIJEBexp0cEPTaOsRh7hzpBxhz5m0DhQ/LOimXG17d9MsyV5TuI7G/0U+/XGQEG Vy4xCsO56dpHE+OLjUWNkr/vQbpnxbZJwuvmb8XvT1XKMe0EVSnn0wAcw3/CajuriO7NTX5HI 3dKIZt4CRM0pUr0F+L/1sx0aTO6J+5PNg9fOP98P9ZOMbwUXKLF3zWj3iwdbXZ182zw06TCqK 7mfzNxGoJDe7Pxv3zGX328HV0goUsqfr76Wjr7aCLkw1TfWYi7FLS7GFXgPvFbtWKSmRBYNM7 gy0LBNcCQ80jRFEju1+WoO4mjg2HHrhgz6FE6XQ2iLJUHhqXtnMHeuJb2LGDs9nHtnKs6tvim q05PTODlvUCDmXESbLZBaUbj3yxH5Qoc0NsqRJCZHw4vXBPhOA= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: eric@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > Why do you think people know what you expect? > > Because I said it many times here. The fact is, most people do ask. But CONTRIBUTE tells something different. I have the feeling that some people ask because they are lost, not because they know that it is expected that they ask. Others just don't ask. Anyway, if it works for you...but I think it would be better to have some rules written down somewhere if we want to be attractive to new contributors. Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Oct 2018 04:25:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 12 00:25:02 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45779 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAp0X-0006nl-Mg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:25:02 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59891) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAp0V-0006nR-OG for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:25:00 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAp0N-000090-FT for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:24:54 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:45592) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAp0N-00008w-By; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:24:51 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2240 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAp0M-0004OG-6O; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:24:51 -0400 Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 07:24:51 +0300 Message-Id: <83va67x04s.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <8736tcz1p3.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Heerdegen on Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:08:08 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> <8736tcz1p3.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: eric@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> > Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:08:08 +0200 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I see you already did, and on the emacs-26 branch. Please in the > > future ask about commits to the release branch. > > Some days ago I asked a question about the habits and expectations > regarding bug fixes, in particular for bugs that were not introduced by > the current release. Nobody disagreed that committing to the release is > just ok. So it is not? In general, it is. But a bug fix should be safe enough to be eligible for the release branch, and the "enough" part changes depending on the state of the branch. Currently, since Emacs 26.1 was already released, only very safe fixes are eligible, and I'd like to be part of the decision loop regarding the safety of each proposed fix. > Why do you think people know what you expect? Because I said it many times here. The fact is, most people do ask.
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 22:27:14 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 18:27:14 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45698 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAjQI-0002l2-Hw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:14 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:59885) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQG-0002kp-G1 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:12 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQA-0007wS-DB for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:07 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::11]:46261) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQA-0007wD-8d for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:06 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41243) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQ9-0001ld-Di for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:06 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQ4-0007t5-Ny for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:05 -0400 Received: from [195.159.176.226] (port=42586 helo=blaine.gmane.org) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjQ3-0007fJ-N5 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:27:00 -0400 Received: from list by blaine.gmane.org with local (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjNt-0004VY-I0 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:24:45 +0200 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:26:49 -0700 Lines: 17 Message-ID: <87a7nkyv9y.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> <87k1moxgzn.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Complaints-To: usenet@HIDDEN User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:UunMNiljrZZkv0iajuSeBBOUGEU= X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::11 X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -5.8 (-----) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> BTW I just used `set-local-key' in my function -- I don't think it's >> necessary to make a new local keymap for a single-use buffer. > > Don't know that function - do you mean `local-set-key'? In this case I > must warn, citing the docstring of `local-set-key': > > | The binding goes in the current buffer's local map, which in most > | cases is shared with all other buffers in the same major mode. I did mean `local-set-key' and did not realize that's how it works! Thanks for the tip. Eric
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 22:21:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 18:21:04 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45694 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAjKJ-0002cB-R0 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:21:04 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.14]:54405) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAjKG-0002bL-Ew for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:21:00 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUWCB-1gIfok2an5-00RExu; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:20:45 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MUWCB-1gIfok2an5-00RExu; Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:20:45 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2018 00:20:44 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:09:20 -0700") Message-ID: <87k1moxgzn.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:jUlQZwhDZUcAnYwC7VfTlFuEMOSLzb7VjT3OE75q3n9hvciY9OB HOmjVG0zMkq+9+XOdmHikf2nOXNtd1yhfqwa/oDaLqFLwhynYRVXvravyKSHKWAYYeigUuc 0jToBf/rB7KrSmwgkWDRCE4QgaCFNRguo5GsaLKfCaK4yokGfw1DpeONFnivzsqfM2x+KGe +Vd6PNh9zbGdkoaTIBxfQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:0OpkL1ZnJzw=:DI1EVnxROAmFUIFNA34aBQ x2ldRp1aDEq8k91KX9DRtWtCkrVa0GD5ErGMvlSowzpYXLoWgfr/sFVt8ggouUDMVfDQKM+1E QLAN59PkiXJd/s0LRS7fBKdk9P6xOzhEN2Lf6Mcx4swC1a3nc5743WrY6MN++ZZKcFLjTSjzl Y93sJFXhKSFEvkJ+U4dVYvB+BfYxu0P4A7oNgwFcn19Ll4/OAEtLkfUnq1Ci+YE2U04duKaD1 DL8yZj0l8aMY5HvcPkEyGSf2MVoi+yzU+UuxV2pnjTPlXeMpdhTkxskz+sk6aG4hYk8RaP7IV 83F9Tx5C24hA3J3EjOV6unuBpYlBMYZYfV5kyEWJ0lNbSZnofGpwTneWQtHJzW/dUrNd4z7ZI MCF0SsFXC7Hv2jLthdHaBj4ARSfEDQdIDRcaQnJ7SINL605DAXdoopVp1f4rpqDwz7K4Mf0Be 97kqfGDwgG+DNcj3M/YOXQrY+nLgWN1e3COZkPBkE6bwpXbo5RQGDN826tF0EdbftU8KIo5ES kUJtLSET9+yD5BPOxIqiuU87v8P6toRjD7gq3dUTUIrtl97Cyf794XO75UM8AdcWh5z13NBcK a/Uh8oSUrp+SL8SE9/FzFIltQdN6CvuC3tyr2HyN5rvITGuPsv7i+oJPkTMi9VUBQpfRdZkZl vv2TLM4qy5s1tIALye6R47KVujFTPRG63X53GW7gHgieQWOSxlksJ1kAP9A5Znw7d0VMHR6DX ZvkXGW9l45gRDOxHGETlnqup2ZbcgIfczkYOe2YrsUPSED3wKdm5FlhSxILiDzzDq5vAbSqsd HdvbyThUXFN5GjXBwS+VyBu7AlaMD/ouf40el3/zbudcrxz/jA= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > BTW I just used `set-local-key' in my function -- I don't think it's > necessary to make a new local keymap for a single-use buffer. Don't know that function - do you mean `local-set-key'? In this case I must warn, citing the docstring of `local-set-key': | The binding goes in the current buffer's local map, which in most | cases is shared with all other buffers in the same major mode. Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 22:09:28 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 18:09:28 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45649 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAj95-0002DJ-To for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:09:28 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:34403) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gAj91-0002D3-2d for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:09:24 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 45D3E3F09B; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:09:22 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539295762; bh=6pMz0eVwcOe5Zrp0J1aokLtZwWCO+p2LYd/6SBwcn70=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=UAdZRH99LibvX07ZA2N+NvbgwyXDflywDJMQ+pSe49y2rRv63S7uZmKHOtt7HvQll NzTvnKVB2AEVP64tQP+LDRI9KVCFe1kY0eO9PJDXO1QW2019Ar2f4xf3Im+3dTfRZL iJrMM9A0xA34wygkr3/6WnKaGgWAa3bDPzxunvz8= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:09:20 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87sh1cxm65.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:28:50 +0200") Message-ID: <87murkyw33.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/11/18 22:28 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: [...] > I wanted something really really simple, in particular, something that > is not linked to org. It's an approach different from Gnorb, but maybe > it would fit into Gnus, dunno. I attach what I have so far - feedback > welcome. Ha, I see what you mean, most of the code is for displaying and editing the notes. I did something similar in org-annotate[1] (which is pretty similar in spirit to what you're doing here, but for org files), but just realized that I don't use the popup for editing, only display. Well, let's see if anyone is interested in a generalized solution! BTW I just used `set-local-key' in my function -- I don't think it's necessary to make a new local keymap for a single-use buffer. Eric [1]: https://github.com/girzel/org-annotate/blob/master/org-annotate.el#L150 > > Michael. > > >;;; gnus-article-notes.el---Attach notes to messages in Gnus -*- lexical-binding: t -*- > >;; Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc > >;; Author: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> >;; Maintainer: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> >;; Created: 2017_12_11 >;; Keywords: news registry >;; Version: 0.1 >;; Package-Requires: () > > >;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs. > >;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify >;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by > ;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or > ;; (at your option) any later version. > > ;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful, > ;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of > ;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the > ;; GNU General Public License for more details. > > ;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License > ;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>. > > > ;;; Commentary: > > ;; This simple package allows to attach text notes to articles in > ;; Gnus. This is actually just a trivial convenience wrapper around > ;; `gnus-registry-set-id-key' and `gnus-registry-get-id-key'. > ;; > ;; For something less simplistic see the Gnorb package in Gnu Elpa. > ;; It can save notes in org files, track discussions, and much more. > ;; > ;; > ;; Usage > ;; ===== > ;; > ;; The main command is `gnus-article-notes-set-note' bound to "@" in > ;; the summary keymap. > ;; > ;; If the current article has not yet an attached note, hit @ to add > ;; one. The article is also flagged with an "@" to indicate that a > ;; note has been attached. > ;; > ;; When an article has already an attached note, "@" displays the note > ;; in the echo area, and hitting "@" again let's you edit the note. > ;; "@" with a prefix argument 0 deletes the note after confirmation. > ;; "@" with any other prefix arg also reads in a note text but using a > ;; pop-up buffer instead of the minibuffer making editing multi-line > ;; notes more convenient. > ;; > ;; > ;; Setup > ;; ===== > ;; > ;; Somewhere in your initialization you need to enable the Gnus > ;; registry (where this package saves your notes), load this file, and > ;; make the key binding: > ;; > ;; (gnus-registry-initialize) > ;; (require 'gnus-article-notes) > ;; (add-hook > ;; 'gnus-summary-mode-hook > ;; (defun my-gnus-summary-mode-hook-bind-key-for-article-notes () > ;; (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [?@] #'gnus-article-notes-set-note))) > ;; > ;; It is a good idea to read about what enabling the registry means if > ;; you haven't yet used it: (info "(gnus) The Gnus Registry"). It is > ;; easy stuff. You may want to limit how much data Gnus stores in the > ;; registry to avoid delays when saving (it stores a lot by default). > ;; I do (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 2000). Note that pruning a > ;; full registry will never delete notes unless you change > ;; `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious' to not contain `mark'. > ;; Loading this package adds a "Note" named custom mark to > ;; `gnus-registry-marks' (by default). > ;; > ;; To see the "@" marker for messages with attached notes in the > ;; summary buffer, you also want something like > ;; > ;; (defalias 'gnus-user-format-function-M > ;; 'gnus-registry-article-marks-to-chars) > ;; > ;; which allows you to use "%uM" (or better with a padding like in > ;; "%2uM") in `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks - see > ;; (info "(gnus) Store custom flags and keywords") for details. > ;; > ;; Finally you may also want to look at the few customizable options > ;; defined in this file. > > > > ;;; Code: > > > > (eval-when-compile (require 'subr-x)) > (require 'gnus) > (require 'gnus-registry) > > (defvar gnus-article-notes-registry-field 'Note) > (defvar gnus-article-notes-marker-char ?@) > (defvar gnus-article-notes-auto-tick nil) > > (defvar gnus-article-notes-show-in-summary t) > > (defun gnus-article-notes-registry-delete-id-key (id key) > (let* ((db gnus-registry-db) > (entry (gnus-registry-get-or-make-entry id))) > (registry-delete db (list id) nil) > (setq entry (assq-delete-all key entry)) > (gnus-registry-insert db id entry) > entry)) > > (with-eval-after-load 'gnus-registry > (add-to-list 'gnus-registry-marks > `(,gnus-article-notes-registry-field :char ,gnus-article-notes-marker-char :image nil))) > > (defvar gnus-article-notes-popup-window-action '()) > > ;; We could make the major mode customizable... > (defun gnus-article-notes-read-string-with-buffer (&optional initial-input keymap comment) > (cl-callf or comment ";; Hit C-c C-c when done\n\n") ;FIXME: add key to abort > (save-window-excursion > (with-temp-buffer > (let ((win (display-buffer (current-buffer) gnus-article-notes-popup-window-action))) > (select-window win) > (insert comment) > (when initial-input (insert initial-input)) > (set-window-point win (point-max)) > (use-local-map (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap))) > (set-keymap-parent map (or keymap text-mode-map)) > (define-key map [(control ?c) (control ?c)] #'exit-recursive-edit) > map)) > (recursive-edit) > (string-trim > (replace-regexp-in-string > (concat "\\`" (regexp-quote comment)) "" > (buffer-string))))))) > > (defun gnus-article-notes-set-note (id new-content) > (if (not new-content) > (gnus-article-notes-registry-delete-id-key id gnus-article-notes-registry-field) > (gnus-registry-set-id-key id gnus-article-notes-registry-field new-content))) > > (defun gnus-article-notes-display-or-set-note (article id &optional content) > "Doc..." > (interactive > (let* ((articles (gnus-summary-work-articles nil)) > (article (if (cdr articles) (user-error "Cannot operate on multiple articles") > (car articles))) > (id (mail-header-id (gnus-summary-article-header article))) > (current-content (gnus-registry-get-id-key id gnus-article-notes-registry-field))) > (list article > id > (if (or (eq this-command last-command) (not current-content) current-prefix-arg) > (let ((new-content > (if current-prefix-arg > (if (eq 0 (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-arg)) > (if (yes-or-no-p "Really delete note? ") > nil > (user-error "Abort")) > (gnus-article-notes-read-string-with-buffer current-content)) > (read-string "New note: " current-content)))) > (if (equal "" new-content) nil new-content)) > `(display . ,current-content))))) > (pcase content > (`(display . ,content) (message "%s" content)) > (_ (when (and content gnus-article-notes-auto-tick) (gnus-summary-tick-article-forward 1)) > (gnus-article-notes-set-note id content) > (gnus-registry--set/remove-mark 'Note (not content) (list article))))) > > (defun gnus-article-notes-get-additional-articles (group-name) > (delq nil > (mapcar (lambda (id) (cdr (gnus-request-head id group-name))) > (cl-loop for key being the hash-keys of (oref gnus-registry-db data) > using (hash-values v) > when (assoc gnus-article-notes-registry-field v) > collect key)))) > > > (defun gnus-articles-notes-alter-articles-to-read-function (f group-name article-list) > (let ((others (funcall f group-name article-list))) > (if gnus-article-notes-show-in-summary > (cl-union (gnus-article-notes-get-additional-articles group-name) > others) > others))) > > (add-function :around gnus-alter-articles-to-read-function > #'gnus-articles-notes-alter-articles-to-read-function) > > > > (provide 'gnus-article-notes) > ;;; gnus-article-notes.el ends here
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> > Should we even make a NEWS entry along the fix saying that the feature
> > can actually be used now?
>
> I don't think so, bug fixes don't usually get a NEWS entry.
Well, it's at least the first time that you can actually use it.
> But I can say something on the gnus.general list.
Ok.
> Also, I really like the idea of using the registry to attach notes to
> mails -- that's something I've intended for Gnorb for a while. If you'd
> like to contribute that to Gnorb I'd be very happy to accept it, or
> maybe it's something that could even go into the registry proper. Of
> course, if you'd prefer to keep it a separate package that's fine too --
> I'd install it!
I wanted something really really simple, in particular, something that
is not linked to org. It's an approach different from Gnorb, but maybe
it would fit into Gnus, dunno. I attach what I have so far - feedback
welcome.
Michael.
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;;; gnus-article-notes.el --- Attach notes to messages in Gnus -*- lexica=
l-binding: t -*-
;; Copyright (C) 2018 Free Software Foundation, Inc
;; Author: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
;; Maintainer: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>
;; Created: 2017_12_11
;; Keywords: news registry
;; Version: 0.1
;; Package-Requires: ()
;; This file is not part of GNU Emacs.
;; GNU Emacs is free software: you can redistribute it and/or modify
;; it under the terms of the GNU General Public License as published by
;; the Free Software Foundation, either version 3 of the License, or
;; (at your option) any later version.
;; GNU Emacs is distributed in the hope that it will be useful,
;; but WITHOUT ANY WARRANTY; without even the implied warranty of
;; MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. See the
;; GNU General Public License for more details.
;; You should have received a copy of the GNU General Public License
;; along with GNU Emacs. If not, see <http://www.gnu.org/licenses/>.
;;; Commentary:
;; This simple package allows to attach text notes to articles in
;; Gnus. This is actually just a trivial convenience wrapper around
;; `gnus-registry-set-id-key' and `gnus-registry-get-id-key'.
;;
;; For something less simplistic see the Gnorb package in Gnu Elpa.
;; It can save notes in org files, track discussions, and much more.
;;
;;
;; Usage
;; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
;;
;; The main command is `gnus-article-notes-set-note' bound to "@" in
;; the summary keymap.
;;
;; If the current article has not yet an attached note, hit @ to add
;; one. The article is also flagged with an "@" to indicate that a
;; note has been attached.
;;
;; When an article has already an attached note, "@" displays the note
;; in the echo area, and hitting "@" again let's you edit the note.
;; "@" with a prefix argument 0 deletes the note after confirmation.
;; "@" with any other prefix arg also reads in a note text but using a
;; pop-up buffer instead of the minibuffer making editing multi-line
;; notes more convenient.
;;
;;
;; Setup
;; =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D
;;
;; Somewhere in your initialization you need to enable the Gnus
;; registry (where this package saves your notes), load this file, and
;; make the key binding:
;;
;; (gnus-registry-initialize)
;; (require 'gnus-article-notes)
;; (add-hook
;; 'gnus-summary-mode-hook
;; (defun my-gnus-summary-mode-hook-bind-key-for-article-notes ()
;; (define-key gnus-summary-mode-map [?@] #'gnus-article-notes-set-not=
e)))
;;
;; It is a good idea to read about what enabling the registry means if
;; you haven't yet used it: (info "(gnus) The Gnus Registry"). It is
;; easy stuff. You may want to limit how much data Gnus stores in the
;; registry to avoid delays when saving (it stores a lot by default).
;; I do (setq gnus-registry-max-entries 2000). Note that pruning a
;; full registry will never delete notes unless you change
;; `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious' to not contain `mark'.
;; Loading this package adds a "Note" named custom mark to
;; `gnus-registry-marks' (by default).
;;
;; To see the "@" marker for messages with attached notes in the
;; summary buffer, you also want something like
;;
;; (defalias 'gnus-user-format-function-M
;; 'gnus-registry-article-marks-to-chars)
;;
;; which allows you to use "%uM" (or better with a padding like in
;; "%2uM") in `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks - see
;; (info "(gnus) Store custom flags and keywords") for details.
;;
;; Finally you may also want to look at the few customizable options
;; defined in this file.
;;; Code:
(eval-when-compile (require 'subr-x))
(require 'gnus)
(require 'gnus-registry)
(defvar gnus-article-notes-registry-field 'Note)
(defvar gnus-article-notes-marker-char ?@)
(defvar gnus-article-notes-auto-tick nil)
(defvar gnus-article-notes-show-in-summary t)
(defun gnus-article-notes-registry-delete-id-key (id key)
(let* ((db gnus-registry-db)
(entry (gnus-registry-get-or-make-entry id)))
(registry-delete db (list id) nil)
(setq entry (assq-delete-all key entry))
(gnus-registry-insert db id entry)
entry))
(with-eval-after-load 'gnus-registry
(add-to-list 'gnus-registry-marks
`(,gnus-article-notes-registry-field :char ,gnus-article-not=
es-marker-char :image nil)))
(defvar gnus-article-notes-popup-window-action '())
;; We could make the major mode customizable...
(defun gnus-article-notes-read-string-with-buffer (&optional initial-input =
keymap comment)
(cl-callf or comment ";; Hit C-c C-c when done\n\n") ;FIXME: add key to a=
bort
(save-window-excursion
(with-temp-buffer
(let ((win (display-buffer (current-buffer) gnus-article-notes-popup-=
window-action)))
(select-window win)
(insert comment)
(when initial-input (insert initial-input))
(set-window-point win (point-max))
(use-local-map (let ((map (make-sparse-keymap)))
(set-keymap-parent map (or keymap text-mode-map))
(define-key map [(control ?c) (control ?c)] #'exit=
-recursive-edit)
map))
(recursive-edit)
(string-trim
(replace-regexp-in-string
(concat "\\`" (regexp-quote comment)) ""
(buffer-string)))))))
(defun gnus-article-notes-set-note (id new-content)
(if (not new-content)
(gnus-article-notes-registry-delete-id-key id gnus-article-notes-regi=
stry-field)
(gnus-registry-set-id-key id gnus-article-notes-registry-field new-cont=
ent)))
(defun gnus-article-notes-display-or-set-note (article id &optional content)
"Doc..."
(interactive
(let* ((articles (gnus-summary-work-articles nil))
(article (if (cdr articles) (user-error "Cannot operate on multip=
le articles")
(car articles)))
(id (mail-header-id (gnus-summary-article-header article)))
(current-content (gnus-registry-get-id-key id gnus-article-notes-=
registry-field)))
(list article
id
(if (or (eq this-command last-command) (not current-content) cur=
rent-prefix-arg)
(let ((new-content
(if current-prefix-arg
(if (eq 0 (prefix-numeric-value current-prefix-ar=
g))
(if (yes-or-no-p "Really delete note? ")
nil
(user-error "Abort"))
(gnus-article-notes-read-string-with-buffer cur=
rent-content))
(read-string "New note: " current-content))))
(if (equal "" new-content) nil new-content))
`(display . ,current-content)))))
(pcase content
(`(display . ,content) (message "%s" content))
(_ (when (and content gnus-article-notes-auto-tick) (gnus-summary-tick-=
article-forward 1))
(gnus-article-notes-set-note id content)
(gnus-registry--set/remove-mark 'Note (not content) (list article)))=
))
(defun gnus-article-notes-get-additional-articles (group-name)
(delq nil
(mapcar (lambda (id) (cdr (gnus-request-head id group-name)))
(cl-loop for key being the hash-keys of (oref gnus-registry=
-db data)
using (hash-values v)
when (assoc gnus-article-notes-registry-field v)
collect key))))
(defun gnus-articles-notes-alter-articles-to-read-function (f group-name ar=
ticle-list)
(let ((others (funcall f group-name article-list)))
(if gnus-article-notes-show-in-summary
(cl-union (gnus-article-notes-get-additional-articles group-name)
others)
others)))
(add-function :around gnus-alter-articles-to-read-function
#'gnus-articles-notes-alter-articles-to-read-function)
(provide 'gnus-article-notes)
;;; gnus-article-notes.el ends here
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Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 20:08:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 16:08:25 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45527 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAhFx-0001OY-7i for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:08:25 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:43683) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAhFv-0001OL-6D for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 16:08:23 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M8L3a-1fo6AN2FVa-00w185; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:08:09 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0M8L3a-1fo6AN2FVa-00w185; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:08:09 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 22:08:08 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:53:00 +0300") Message-ID: <8736tcz1p3.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MJkA2u4v8kyYp91u2SbUkXLvxfJjiFwp8VLjI+A45ZMbSyxbZ8T YQtWB/tbe2iess0FUhOX6ZBYlO/rlh3j/4wl5Ez6OQhbIhjmjJeIjZ/uAb1dR1bqoxA1cwS AtVi7w7ETxBIWOYIZTntx2KnkyeIT44bgdPOhCSZtY5eDih1JIhU2Rff9lj6tWypq6aCubU Pf5oFF4ebwMYT3/8rq0HA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:irzfJLwsy1I=:csYRHg6hVi7zeqq+THLoGz HBReYDbWke8FF9mDJlbc1cAcrwkwVNfAJFtLYJOvXYe/SLL5NKETqqncS3sYBZr2LkFDfpfGn 7phvfa180mw3s+HkV96rQSR+kDHDwHGEnAT4TNGDPZVaoX0GSzefa2gCpaGwOLjm8BULsiC2s foGLZXAbU05CUOtUK9hGM0R6owuwPLNV+4Al/KSeF3st45MhXkUTl6eTdBI8buuGE9G7h7tgS 0DGyOj6T/SChC2H3jEGeO1OP1TWc9WDse3uSPdiYJ+ErKwk/7f8DPoSq5iJ/4FVipGKJyvFDf ToCPD8J3O37K7yYv1xvz3LaTEtqXGdD2UejJCWsObHveRgVKEe4dHWEPZiuiNiHDprkJLZFtc Ek/1ld5n//OX5xscXpi/RIsEinhorTAm7WfDTVPiSkVfKWQWFybCUMy9tMz5c1eknxK2yP+9M S2wZOm77nD0ilvBhbVzUpzPzi5N72tbrZfiPKn6O/QPraWxArHZOTdJqxICp1Fkv8a92dGSFf i/0zvhxi9EPwp68PSuPekn5EvEQv84DuMBtBSO8pmjYkwWmbtYDcaDiXLfoQBzkbhCDKcDB3k 3U/RE6DxEMTHZvoFvl6+xoI8KfFyksuIehdZ0i7f25EnL9BeC5Ht1HQU/sjFak53EAZ8L4Oog BoqlSNP4bLts62McULrAkF5nWuzkFeT0OJfO2H08G+xnxaUje7N422w5cjIdRMjZWLzwsMGIV 4p5KQKN2TIPV58geyLR8CyqWRBrrPZzlZRNMzuhx7m1bcMHhYb5kppqhtH89/ewW4mLk87CcK Kk18oKNy2K0FBFExYMAVCZvJKsvmj2tQzbOBq+elQ2lKqKM7aY= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN>, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > I see you already did, and on the emacs-26 branch. Please in the > future ask about commits to the release branch. Some days ago I asked a question about the habits and expectations regarding bug fixes, in particular for bugs that were not introduced by the current release. Nobody disagreed that committing to the release is just ok. So it is not? Why do you think people know what you expect? (This is not a rant, I really just want to know what the rules and expectations are.) Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 18:57:45 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 14:57:45 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45474 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAg9Z-00088u-3o for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:57:45 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:59747) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gAg9X-00088n-Ee for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:57:44 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BF81F3F09B; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:57:42 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539284263; bh=I6PH9PDnvfCo4YWQFs4N81+o6Fn/JxwfOys2gg7sicg=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=e5zydX+h226Wfe2IdWBD8vqWdOyR/5uzyXHyUGh+xQhz/rYFngcA+IaMbclbD+IMQ Bf9dtNfGghrLOCM8jMCD7fFKwEYs6dWfUddFbRKdiSWx60tPIHFOOfW6+g3qIZ44wn 0CEpH/B/tJn9kRlDQJjPTUJhyBWD6n75opXLhqgI= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:57:40 -0700 In-Reply-To: <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:53:00 +0300") Message-ID: <87a7nk1fbv.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> >> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700 >> Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org >> >> I don't see any reason not to remove the `cdr', and will do so unless >> someone objects cogently, soon. > > I see you already did, and on the emacs-26 branch. Please in the > future ask about commits to the release branch. > > Thanks. Sorry about that -- it occurred to me I should have asked right after I pushed. Will ask in the future.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 18:53:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 14:53:16 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45468 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAg5E-00082i-Ci for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:53:16 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:52678) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAg5C-00082W-W4 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:53:15 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAg52-0006cI-HC for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:53:08 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00 autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::e]:35859) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAg50-0006bY-LY; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:53:02 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4838 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1gAg50-00012z-35; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:53:02 -0400 Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 21:53:00 +0300 Message-Id: <83woqowc1f.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Eric Abrahamsen on Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700) Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Received-From: 2001:4830:134:3::e X-Spam-Score: -5.0 (-----) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -6.0 (------) > From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700 > Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > I don't see any reason not to remove the `cdr', and will do so unless > someone objects cogently, soon. I see you already did, and on the emacs-26 branch. Please in the future ask about commits to the release branch. Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 18:12:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 14:12:38 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45451 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAfRu-000746-6n for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:12:38 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:46475) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gAfRt-00073z-DU for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:12:37 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id BAE183F09B; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 18:12:36 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539281557; bh=Pi4LT54LRhCehaILJEUqMm62IiF9DMoDtjJv3FxCUtc=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=SnQsA+43KH4RlSIiT2UZbA5xVDfP9+X4tV+xLWfFwM1LAU0pNq2NkwbqCG2QWkF0i BPy65uXLIAUUXr/94Y4lYqUYJ928hRLIC3rMeZpkJ++/SM3tgqN2ZAlDYbeWz1rTQT v4WwAII5kUAxpTohWLe9Fcxdr3/h/n4x53MNMdjQ= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 11:12:35 -0700 In-Reply-To: <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:10:24 +0200") Message-ID: <87in281hf0.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/11/18 15:10 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > >> Anyway, seems it never worked like that. > > But what's even more frightening: The default value of > `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious', (mark), always behaved like () > and thus never worked as intended, so it seems that registry marks > always where broken with the defaults. Looks like nobody ever tried to > use them, or all people gave up without writing a bug report. I don't think very many people use the registry, or at least, they aren't using it intentionally to store their own information. > Should we even make a NEWS entry along the fix saying that the feature > can actually be used now? I don't think so, bug fixes don't usually get a NEWS entry. But I can say something on the gnus.general list. Also, I really like the idea of using the registry to attach notes to mails -- that's something I've intended for Gnorb for a while. If you'd like to contribute that to Gnorb I'd be very happy to accept it, or maybe it's something that could even go into the registry proper. Of course, if you'd prefer to keep it a separate package that's fine too -- I'd install it! Thanks, Eric
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 13:10:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 09:10:43 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44271 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAajj-00087f-My for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:10:43 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.3]:52991) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAajh-00087R-K6 for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 09:10:42 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MhUcU-1gNBdh15DW-00MaXp; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:10:27 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb003 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MhUcU-1gNBdh15DW-00MaXp; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:10:27 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 15:10:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:44:53 +0200") Message-ID: <87r2gwzl1b.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:cszewAlFxgktr5BkibotlcmmkV6RY2dupsXk2FX0rRY5fDNW7/m X4I7CTmnMOVEVl/Nl3s+at8kMARTGIFKG7KSKgF4lZ4iePWbcBs3H3zaPxxJ5OGryX6gbrY gkrV4hyJ5p1z9j08HZ7b+Lol/Drnvayht7RhCMEImB/KiBCUPtFnFwU2hwtOfps92MfciXk 3DAkCqA2Uja1+YFzF96vQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:hmq0Hu/1z7k=:KEjDbGKXC0RNVvY1xHGlxF iHUXMvlhRRYQnirvGjcpUeNgk8XoIDcV5vpht3VTTPoRuhK3vaOKjr7+1FhgK1uPzWxeBp3z0 SH+ktTUFeSYIAhldluS3T7vohTtdPCQUraeS4T/j/JwRsa/VCdQCvM0n79FEcjVTWGDK+izzJ dflBCRUoebMcJeBTy/MsaYi2p6i7sr8FQrjtRGuPktxQXcjzrNmz/LQVmWppqPuyk5XBXNNJs lNqZ7AEO5Jxphtz6fXmW7n7Qhw8MVv5jsFBgyRwXb/1mgs+lipWHxny1Yt0Why5K0jNQwbz5F UcpGuZyeZ/RaZmYZc7F9oRrPsHicS1LrIMJIuPKxnOYKwWMiuVoXmgtcGY73LAvTcZHs27l73 /o8q01wh145yOWBh3R82lEDR35lbRe/svFeRyM5f20XGlTFp1bmHoskh6WMjc7G5r76gAmxDG 7FmbePJ1AAzWkucyXY415tMPz8oUcSotFrBQU6QixxVFIjOWhL7que0RcEm3IHNQRn3zDGDpJ yoxW0hgEvYw90tjmnOo07aa+O4GXqhgrvm2LBfLKI9J+FJVZim+SQg/KxqcncVPxoIepMAbWd /qj+tumUpyijRIz6CwT5eZDr6WmFcw44esNK4QAz7qDNHGh63fWGKmqsuDOuTbNATxQr5E0w7 +sgcwt4OeVJGnIBzOH0mruTXSPsZtf/RWV9v+vN/l7KIlj52D2CY0J4O8kqELCQnTsV5WvQhv tH8YRqwptAVBbIGHfgPlQPyfzfTTvJzXSYDW+tYY2R3wB3c46oVC7yKXzYP5YJ74mOT7akTZr dcGO31jrFIpABeBKcyX2KxmInrQDvXrtvsVurq7umiqTJYV8Hg= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Anyway, seems it never worked like that. But what's even more frightening: The default value of `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious', (mark), always behaved like () and thus never worked as intended, so it seems that registry marks always where broken with the defaults. Looks like nobody ever tried to use them, or all people gave up without writing a bug report. Should we even make a NEWS entry along the fix saying that the feature can actually be used now? Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2018 12:45:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 11 08:45:11 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44256 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAaL0-0007X5-Sy for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:45:11 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:33355) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1gAaKy-0007Wl-6L for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 08:45:08 -0400 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mbdf3-1gQjbf3L4H-00J5MO; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:44:54 +0200 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.210.177]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb004 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0Mbdf3-1gQjbf3L4H-00J5MO; Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:44:54 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2018 14:44:53 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eric Abrahamsen's message of "Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700") Message-ID: <87a7nkhcu2.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:9Ehs3dz5TkCHj7emqSXoLdmzXhs0RNs50EssEqt4tBLUqszejgN QEmNSL2odxIu2TAY0qocwv8/g3waIXdn+UnqbwFS/Jz4DOHNu2n6ktcwb4U8Lcqwddq/AoO FpCwmGuqf5R/qRgwIIIlmMfq2o3lAsmjwahCu2xP/9IymNW1bQwWSLG072Y5eOpIvXKOQew TZSAkEG3hWGMTQNJgkrow== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V01:K0:lqHl7bn+Kb8=:X37axB9uq4R0eJZsYgZgu4 9l7PygOqI1n7temmZU8rJN3evKwyaQsTItCEsVa58LYdcLr8VEvMQK2X8bI9CjOeD9qlZjcSZ 3q7jBxT9jC2De7WtP+GkSNk2NoWOIpqQkIUDO7BqHVbQvMPjIffq94o/Kuj3+Gon96xzg6A/W md88pBj2hmcxywMV2tM7edniPu0xJ7P59kTjwl96P9r+4ZujfLHQdyjprTqpy9aWUrZPnNexr zudOVrkjq1/efYGtqtrcuj7ZvvA25VLKd6oTjgFK1/m3FT/aaEPZKWHs9ywfxEEGTrI/Dtc+M BySb1Qxhe6q/yCp6Y9sTLH0/T2SKu/1t9O+MoDS35wXZVm/hy9WhINYYn1wweyAY8th0hhqJJ H4xjZUEE15PgTCUUXS4Qh/4GT7ULecySf00YezkJ9QP7NCYFs/vSVBeo7GJXJ29OfjZBvP1P1 zC+zwnsiNU7F3XSBuipVZ8c/Zdrbzyf5ZOLHiVx25GqNjVW/YoJC+8YuvEvRSwUutVLkMkZXb 4UYMrWXbqUdUExHfef2K42HfQI+z0GByq/lZepokdn+KbfF5idIVZauYUXxLUAqUd0UjQQ3c5 uG4Vw+j7sVZK7wGXj1WncGlXPdc0zzYxv+ew+E5MTagXP48N80dzMfASRAuMLCHgohuRR1uAh HWYK/7QfNC2omvLcdb7KRVanghw2UOD/sTxFCalzIJwQvfuFj7f5m7GD4TKaEqg5iXtJWrRU/ +DssXgMfM5kYsgPhPULqrKzQu2IcJScnTBpsx13loz2gHI5bk1r+mTjtGHoUrV4C77TSmjdLP 5e+vo2onANS+CIrhiVqcxsrGgDLMq46tTEJccnPg9WNhZ8zrHo= X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > Nice work! I have no idea why that `cdr' is in there, and as the value > is used as a boolean it seems totally superfluous. I don't use registry > marks, which is probably the reason I never noticed (I didn't write this > code). Looks like the code has been like that from the beginning: ccd58722df "Add lisp/gnus/registry.el.", Ted Zlatanov, Tue Apr 5 23:37:02 2011 introduces the file (it has been moved once since then), and the code is already the same there. I can only guess that the intention could have been to distinguish (mark) from (mark SOMETHING): prune the first because the mark field is empty. Anyway, seems it never worked like that. Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2018 23:05:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 10 19:05:53 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43961 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gANY9-0002P2-7c for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:05:53 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:50665) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gANY7-0002Ou-TV for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 19:05:52 -0400 Received: from localhost (50-251-205-17-static.hfc.comcastbusiness.net [50.251.205.17]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 0AFFC3F08D; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:05:50 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539212751; bh=sHAfgMHGDI9wPtLffTXmPAPsX2lMmSai2Q9HvrVOPJY=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=aJx9RboSGbSZ+cEuGNm8fwMCNG49UeA4ddxtQZaqS/i8Y1M36XXcxx6SiMPYeEQqR VzsSQWDUcKWZQcBr7rJMtIFlGZP0p1HxqdugxurGBhRTtU4bKuzhq5LEF0LwjF6RkL V6NE+M525TQdO0sjwjH/C6ghXPkPblD/vQ8mfoDc= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> <87r2gxygox.fsf@HIDDEN> <87efcxwzr2.fsf@HIDDEN> <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 16:05:50 -0700 In-Reply-To: <874ldtlcks.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 10 Oct 2018 23:24:35 +0200") Message-ID: <87ftxdl7w1.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On 10/10/18 23:24 PM, Michael Heerdegen wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes: > >> (registry-collect-prune-candidates gnus-registry-db >> (registry-size gnus-registry-db) nil) > > Ok, I managed to debug this. > > The entry is indeed pruned. It looks like > > Key: "<153...>" > > Value: ((mark Important) (subject ...) ...) > > In the `registry-collect-prune-candidates' method, the variable PRECIOUS > is bound to the list (gnorb-ids org-tags mark). > > AFAIU, since PRECIOUS-P is defined as > > (lambda (entry-key) (cdr (memq (car-safe entry-key) precious))) > > and the symbol mark comes last in the PRECIOUS list, the `cdr' of the > `memq' call is nil. If I remove the `cdr' call, the entry isn't pruned > any more. I also don't get why that `cdr' is there. Or is my value of > PRECIOUS illegal? Nice work! I have no idea why that `cdr' is in there, and as the value is used as a boolean it seems totally superfluous. I don't use registry marks, which is probably the reason I never noticed (I didn't write this code). I don't see any reason not to remove the `cdr', and will do so unless someone objects cogently, soon. Thanks, Eric
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> There were some bugs with registry pruning and precious entries, but
>> we fixed those quite a while ago. If you're running Emacs master, you
>> should have the Gnus that incorporates those fixes.
>
> Yes, I think so, too. I have a normal recent Emacs master build. I
> typically rebuild daily.
>
>> On the other hand, what you say above about the docstring makes me
>> wonder, as in Gnus master it doesn't say it would default to
>> (marks). You're not loading an external Gnus installation, are you?
>
> No, I'm not. In emacs master branch, "doc/misc/gnus.texi" says
>
> "default this is just @code{(marks)} so the custom registry marks are"
>
> in line 26197. Not for you?
Sorry, I was looking at the option docstring, not the manual. I'll fix
that typo.
But that was my only easy solution, unfortunately. You could examine the
results of:
(registry-collect-prune-candidates gnus-registry-db
(registry-size gnus-registry-db) nil)
To verify that it is returning candidates that should not be returned.
Unfortunately that function uses `cl-loop', which makes edebugging not
very helpful.
Shameless plug: I'm about to propose a new package called "gnus-mock",
which sets up a temporary/trashable/reproducible Gnus installation that
you can use for testing feature and hunting bugs, without endangering
your own Gnus data. That would be useful in this case. I might have it
done today.
Eric
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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
> There were some bugs with registry pruning and precious entries, but
> we fixed those quite a while ago. If you're running Emacs master, you
> should have the Gnus that incorporates those fixes.
Yes, I think so, too. I have a normal recent Emacs master build. I
typically rebuild daily.
> On the other hand, what you say above about the docstring makes me
> wonder, as in Gnus master it doesn't say it would default to
> (marks). You're not loading an external Gnus installation, are you?
No, I'm not. In emacs master branch, "doc/misc/gnus.texi" says
"default this is just @code{(marks)} so the custom registry marks are"
in line 26197. Not for you?
Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#33005; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 33005) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Oct 2018 14:56:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 10 10:56:06 2018 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43685 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gAFu9-0007h3-Re for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:56:06 -0400 Received: from mail.ericabrahamsen.net ([50.56.99.223]:53285) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric@HIDDEN>) id 1gAFu8-0007gv-6y for 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 10:56:04 -0400 Received: from localhost (97-113-224-119.tukw.qwest.net [97.113.224.119]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (Client did not present a certificate) (Authenticated sender: eric@HIDDEN) by mail.ericabrahamsen.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 19E163F089; Wed, 10 Oct 2018 14:56:03 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mail.ericabrahamsen.net; s=mail; t=1539183363; bh=401feyZX3i8fvdVrNWK75tuoQY0vNWOyToJLvWLxPKs=; h=From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=bMyQwhmbfqVAt/HqAhz2pue9mPtsru2Ob2vPDCmpLzJ8DIIc5DEtCXXOx6PvWjZdB 3y02wSXqXt7/G3YC7RDN49jtT58sACaD+abRTW36EwTGzZRCHrk8ijBjYtSS4W6QQC OVgSlqCOxm1y0rHXAHo85Uy1XxuDPrjVXXBjzZUA= From: Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> To: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#33005: 27.0.50; Data loss with Gnus registry References: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2018 07:56:00 -0700 In-Reply-To: <871s8yvsrq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Michael Heerdegen's message of "Wed, 10 Oct 2018 15:24:41 +0200") Message-ID: <87in29x33z.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 33005 Cc: 33005 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Hello, > > I want to use the Gnus registry to use registry marks and store data as > described in (info "(gnus) Store arbitrary data"). Very often, these > things vanish after restarting Emacs or Gnus. > > For example, I use M M i to mark some article "Important". I have > configured `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks. Often, > after restarting, the mark is gone. Likewise, data stored with > `gnus-registry-set-id-key' gets lost, even when the according article > has a registry mark attached. > > [BTW, there is a typo in (info "(gnus) Store arbitrary data"). It says > `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious' would default to (marks) but it > defaults to (mark)] There were some bugs with registry pruning and precious entries, but we fixed those quite a while ago. If you're running Emacs master, you should have the Gnus that incorporates those fixes. On the other hand, what you say above about the docstring makes me wonder, as in Gnus master it doesn't say it would default to (marks). You're not loading an external Gnus installation, are you? Eric
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Very often, these things vanish after restarting Emacs or Gnus. For example, I use M M i to mark some article "Important". I have configured `gnus-summary-line-format' to show registry marks. Often, after restarting, the mark is gone. Likewise, data stored with `gnus-registry-set-id-key' gets lost, even when the according article has a registry mark attached. [BTW, there is a typo in (info "(gnus) Store arbitrary data"). It says `gnus-registry-extra-entries-precious' would default to (marks) but it defaults to (mark)] My final goal is to implement a little Gnu Elpa package "gnus-article-notes.el" that can be used to attach little text notes to arbitrary articles. The package is already done, if you are interested, I can send you the code. I have verified that registry marks get lost independently of that package. I guess there is something wrong with registry pruning. CC'ing Eric Abrahamsen who has recently worked in this area. TIA, Michael. 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