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27.0.50; `gnus-posting-styles' sees nil ‘message-reply-headers’ variable

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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:

> The other possibility is: `gnus-configure-posting-styles' adds all its
> actions to `message-setup-hook'. Perhaps the way it's meant to work is:
> g-c-p-s adds *forms* to the message-setup-hook, but those forms aren't
> actually evaluated until the hook is running, at which point we should
> have access to everything we need.
>
> I would need to look more closely at it to tell if that's the case, or
> if it *could* be the case, but it would be one way that this code might
> once have worked.

Sounds reasonable to me...

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

> Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:
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>> Just noticed that gnus-msg.el doesn't have lexical-binding set to t. I'm
>> not clever enough to know, without sitting down to think, how that might
>> affect things, but it's something to look at. Need to go out now,
>> though...
>
> It shouldn't affect things in this area in one way or another -- all
> these variables are defvarred and therefore have dynamic extent...

I'll try turning it on locally and see what happens.




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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:

> Just noticed that gnus-msg.el doesn't have lexical-binding set to t. I'm
> not clever enough to know, without sitting down to think, how that might
> affect things, but it's something to look at. Need to go out now,
> though...

It shouldn't affect things in this area in one way or another -- all
these variables are defvarred and therefore have dynamic extent...

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I discovered this bug report after wasting some time trying to figure
out what was wrong with my code. Emacs 26.1 here.

Activating lexical binding in gnus-msg.el has no effect.




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Eric Abrahamsen <eric@HIDDEN> writes:

> "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> At 12:54 -0800 on Wednesday 2018-12-05, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>>
>>> "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:
>>>
>
> [...]
>
>>> I will check and see if this changed sometime recently.
>>
>> I haven't been able to convince myself that `message-reply-headers' can
>> ever have worked properly with Gnus posting styles. 
>>
>>> I would say that posting-style configuration could be moved to the
>>> `message-setup-hook',
>>
>> That sounds right, I think. 
>
> The other possibility is: `gnus-configure-posting-styles' adds all its
> actions to `message-setup-hook'. Perhaps the way it's meant to work is:
> g-c-p-s adds *forms* to the message-setup-hook, but those forms aren't
> actually evaluated until the hook is running, at which point we should
> have access to everything we need.

Just noticed that gnus-msg.el doesn't have lexical-binding set to t. I'm
not clever enough to know, without sitting down to think, how that might
affect things, but it's something to look at. Need to go out now,
though...





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"N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:

> At 12:54 -0800 on Wednesday 2018-12-05, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>
>> "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:
>>

[...]

>> I will check and see if this changed sometime recently.
>
> I haven't been able to convince myself that `message-reply-headers' can
> ever have worked properly with Gnus posting styles. 
>
>> I would say that posting-style configuration could be moved to the
>> `message-setup-hook',
>
> That sounds right, I think. 

The other possibility is: `gnus-configure-posting-styles' adds all its
actions to `message-setup-hook'. Perhaps the way it's meant to work is:
g-c-p-s adds *forms* to the message-setup-hook, but those forms aren't
actually evaluated until the hook is running, at which point we should
have access to everything we need.

I would need to look more closely at it to tell if that's the case, or
if it *could* be the case, but it would be one way that this code might
once have worked.

>> except that that would be guaranteed to wreck all manner of existing
>> configurations and get us lots of angry emails.
>
> Maybe. I haven't been able to think of how it would negatively affect
> existing setups, but probably I'm just lacking in imagination!

You'd be amazed at the number of ways things can blow up!




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At 12:54 -0800 on Wednesday 2018-12-05, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> "N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> I'm trying to set up a Gnus posting style that makes use of the
>> =E2=80=98message-reply-headers=E2=80=99 variable, but the behaviour I se=
e indicates that
>> this variable is always nil (in the context where the posting styles are
>> evaluated).
>>
>> It seems (this is a wild guess) that the function
>> `gnus-configure-posting-styles' that applies the posting styles that
>> match, and which is called from `message-mode-hook' (I believe), is
>> called before `message-reply-headers' is set.
>>
>> Either that, or `gnus-configure-posting-styles' is evaluated in the
>> context of the wrong buffer (`message-reply-headers' is buffer local to
>> the *unsent reply...* buffer).
>
> So far as I can tell, the problem is the former --
> `gnus-configure-posting-styles' is called before `message-reply-headers'
> is set.
>
> Both `message-reply' and `message-followup' first call
> `message-pop-to-buffer' (which ends up calling `message-mode' and thus
> the `message-mode-hooks', and thus `gnus-configure-posting-styles').
>
> Then they set `message-reply-headers'.
>
> Then they call `message-setup', which calls `message-setup-1', which
> runs the `message-setup-hook', which would be a spot where
> `message-reply-headers' would be accessible.
>
> I will check and see if this changed sometime recently.

I haven't been able to convince myself that `message-reply-headers' can
ever have worked properly with Gnus posting styles.=20

> I would say that posting-style configuration could be moved to the
> `message-setup-hook',

That sounds right, I think.=20

> except that that would be guaranteed to wreck all manner of existing
> configurations and get us lots of angry emails.

Maybe. I haven't been able to think of how it would negatively affect
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"N. Jackson" <nljlistbox2@HIDDEN> writes:

> I'm trying to set up a Gnus posting style that makes use of the
> ‘message-reply-headers’ variable, but the behaviour I see indicates that
> this variable is always nil (in the context where the posting styles are
> evaluated).
>
> It seems (this is a wild guess) that the function
> `gnus-configure-posting-styles' that applies the posting styles that
> match, and which is called from `message-mode-hook' (I believe), is
> called before `message-reply-headers' is set.
>
> Either that, or `gnus-configure-posting-styles' is evaluated in the
> context of the wrong buffer (`message-reply-headers' is buffer local to
> the *unsent reply...* buffer).

So far as I can tell, the problem is the former --
`gnus-configure-posting-styles' is called before `message-reply-headers'
is set.

Both `message-reply' and `message-followup' first call
`message-pop-to-buffer' (which ends up calling `message-mode' and thus
the `message-mode-hooks', and thus `gnus-configure-posting-styles').

Then they set `message-reply-headers'.

Then they call `message-setup', which calls `message-setup-1', which
runs the `message-setup-hook', which would be a spot where
`message-reply-headers' would be accessible.

I will check and see if this changed sometime recently.

I would say that posting-style configuration could be moved to the
`message-setup-hook', except that that would be guaranteed to wreck all
manner of existing configurations and get us lots of angry emails.

But... I think that's the issue.

E





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I'm trying to set up a Gnus posting style that makes use of the
=E2=80=98message-reply-headers=E2=80=99 variable, but the behaviour I see i=
ndicates that
this variable is always nil (in the context where the posting styles are
evaluated).

It seems (this is a wild guess) that the function
`gnus-configure-posting-styles' that applies the posting styles that
match, and which is called from `message-mode-hook' (I believe), is
called before `message-reply-headers' is set.

Either that, or `gnus-configure-posting-styles' is evaluated in the
context of the wrong buffer (`message-reply-headers' is buffer local to
the *unsent reply...* buffer).

In (info "(gnus)Posting Styles") it says:

   The attribute value can be a string, a function with zero arguments
  (the return value will be used), a variable (its value will be used)
  or a list (it will be =E2=80=98eval=E2=80=99ed and the return value will =
be used). The
  functions and sexps are called/=E2=80=98eval=E2=80=99ed in the message bu=
ffer that is
  being set up. The headers of the current article are available through
  the =E2=80=98message-reply-headers=E2=80=99 variable, which is a vector o=
f the
  following headers: number subject from date id references chars lines
  xref extra.

If I am understanding this documentation correctly,
`message-reply-headers' should be available when posting styles are
evaluated.

=3D=3D=3D

For example, with the following test setting for `gnus-posting-styles',

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
    '((""		; Catch all posting style.
       (eval (if message-reply-headers
		(message "`message-reply-headers' is set.")
		(message "`message-reply-headers' is not set."))
       )
      )
     )
  )

If I reply to a message in the Gnus summary buffer

  R		; `gnus-summary-reply-with-original'.

the following message is printed in the echo area:

  `message-reply-headers' is not set.

. But if I then do

  C-h v message-reply-headers RET

(in the new *unsent reply...* buffer), I'm told

  message-reply-headers is a variable defined in `message.el'.
  Its value is
  [0 "Re: Packing of union fields and bool_bf" "Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN=
>" "Sat, 13 Oct 2018 18:15:25 +0300" "<838t31vpwy.fsf@HIDDEN>" nil 0 0 ""]
  Local in buffer *unsent reply to Eli Zaretskii*; global value is nil

  Documentation:
  The headers of the current replied article.
  It is a vector of the following headers:
  [number subject from date id references chars lines xref extra].

  [back]

Am I missing something here, or is the Gnus posting styles functionality br=
oken?

Note: To be fair, the paragraph quoted above from the Gnus manual only
says that `message-reply-headers' can be used for the attribute value;
it doesn't say that it can be used when the "attribute" is `eval'.
However, the following does not work either (no "Cc" header is inserted
in the new message):

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
    '((""		; Catch all posting style.
       ;; Set the "Cc" header of the new message to the "From"
       ;; address of the replied-to message.
       (Cc (elt message-reply-headers 2))
       )
      )
     )
  )

but evaluating `(elt message-reply-headers 2)' in the new *unsent
reply...* buffer gives a good value, and furthermore (just to narrow
down where the problem is), the following works fine (the "Cc" header is
inserted):

  (setq gnus-posting-styles
    '((""		; Catch all posting style.
       ;; Set the "Cc" header of the new message to the "From"
       ;; address of the replied-to message.
       (Cc "john.doe@HIDDEN")
       )
      )
     )
  )

.


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