GNU bug report logs - #33157
ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default

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Package: coreutils; Reported by: Arvid Requate <arvid@HIDDEN>; Done: Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>; Maintainer for coreutils is bug-coreutils@HIDDEN.

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Subject: Re: bug#33157: QUOTING_STYLE change of default
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Hello,

On 2018-10-25 3:45 p.m., Arvid Requate wrote:
> after updating to Debian buster I had the impression that my eyes are failing
> on me. This posting pretty much summarizes my opinion:
> 
> http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-02/msg00001.html
> 
> especially the first paragraph:
>


We created a summary of common issues and FAQs
regarding the quoting change in ls(1):
   https://www.gnu.org/software/coreutils/quotes.html

If there is an issue that is not addressed there,
please send an email to coreutils@HIDDEN .

regards,
  - assaf




Notification sent to Arvid Requate <arvid@HIDDEN>:
bug acknowledged by developer. Full text available.
Reply sent to Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN>:
You have taken responsibility. Full text available.
Changed bug title to 'ls-quotes: QUOTING_STYLE change of default' from 'QUOTING_STYLE change of default' Request was from Assaf Gordon <assafgordon@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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Hi,

after updating to Debian buster I had the impression that my eyes are faili=
ng=20
on me. This posting pretty much summarizes my opinion:

http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/coreutils/2016-02/msg00001.html

especially the first paragraph:=20

On 02/01/16 07:17 Harald Dunkel wrote:
> On 02/01/16 17:07, P=E1draig Brady wrote:
>=20
> > The reasons we changed the default was:
> >=20
> > - It only happens when outputting to terminals
>=20
> This means if you use "ls -1 | somescript" the script will
> not see the quoting style. Don't you think that this is
> inconsistent, not to mention that a script would benefit
> much more from this quoting style than a human?

I feel that this upstream change is a misuse of power by three coreutils=20
developers and I vote for reverting to the old default of "literal".

Cheers,
Arvid Requate








Acknowledgement sent to Arvid Requate <arvid@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-coreutils@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-coreutils@HIDDEN:
bug#33157; Package coreutils. Full text available.
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