Received: (at 34183) by debbugs.gnu.org; 23 Jan 2019 21:48:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 23 16:48:43 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43125 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1gmQO2-0005gU-Nq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:48:42 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:34628) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1gmQO0-0005gH-Ne for 34183 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 16:48:42 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.22/8.16.0.22) with SMTP id x0NLhWRE066566; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:48:34 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2018-07-02; bh=T/86gvXd0ksxIEKMp1sabWHDbTvUOEjFwBC4A35tJ+s=; b=rwdU37VzUoP4DcaRt6D3hYQ8/Kxa9E4tPsukQimhObCWhOOxszRo2rS16Zpvl4dkHGSt 8OzTghMlgCvFHcebAnGGp8lihSAAKpsSQXqTiFxFq7Lq3fJe9nft5fSRRii8QBlF8NsX +lWNDtF3NfDzYdNQlg7SkVGcxP9H7u5JYcrPoX2h9K0xqphc/ic5vCKVki4avpAC194c cGgGwgEi704bx5epI99tlT63/7ZB2VohCl+L43W29ENebGVZxxikF8udorMT21RRN/JW V7eYHzCAR6ELH896zJCLATCs4ALuhAPATpZk6PmEkfBfEPs6j9ekqdL74uTQyJ3ickcP 1A== Received: from userv0022.oracle.com (userv0022.oracle.com [156.151.31.74]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2q3vhrven4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:48:34 +0000 Received: from aserv0122.oracle.com (aserv0122.oracle.com [141.146.126.236]) by userv0022.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0NLmWRi025227 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:48:33 GMT Received: from abhmp0018.oracle.com (abhmp0018.oracle.com [141.146.116.24]) by aserv0122.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.14.4) with ESMTP id x0NLmVjO009909; Wed, 23 Jan 2019 21:48:31 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <b1529a87-1cee-48a5-86b6-d03a74623434@default> Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2019 13:48:29 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Monnier <monnier@HIDDEN>, 34183 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#34183: 27.0.50; cl-print uses print-length for strings References: <jwv4l9z2j3t.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <jwv4l9z2j3t.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4795.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=5900 definitions=9145 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=628 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1810050000 definitions=main-1901230157 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34183 Cc: Gemini Lasswell <gazally@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > The code in cl-print now obeys `print-length` to limit the length of > strings. Being able to limit the length of strings is good, but > limiting them to `print-length` chars is rather drastic since this > setting is usually applied to lists, where a setting of N corresponds to > an output that's at the very least 2*N long (assuming each element prints > as a single char, which is not the most common case). >=20 > Currently in M-: print-length defaults to 12, so any string like a file > name gets truncated after only 12 chars which is frustrating > (especially since the ability to expand the "..." doesn't work there > because you can't click in the echo area :-( Maybe that should be > another bug report / feature request). >=20 > We should probably introduce another config var to limit string length, > or multiply `print-length` by some ad-hoc factor (like 4 maybe), or use > the max of print-length and frame-width, ... Why don't we have a naming convention that lets users know whether some function is (1) intended to emulate a Common Lisp function or it is instead either just (2) a helper function used to define such an emulation function or (3) a function that has no relation to Common Lisp, which someone (unfortunately) decided to give the prefix `cl-'? Things that have prefix `cl-' seem to be all over the map. Anyway, in Common Lisp the print functions (which we apparently have no emulations for) take arguments that control print length, circle handling etc. They don't just variables to control such things. http://clhs.lisp.se/Body/f_wr_pr.htm
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Package: Emacs
Version: 27.0.50
The code in cl-print now obeys `print-length` to limit the length of
strings. Being able to limit the length of strings is good, but
limiting them to `print-length` chars is rather drastic since this
setting is usually applied to lists, where a setting of N corresponds to
an output that's at the very least 2*N long (assuming each element prints
as a single char, which is not the most common case).
Currently in M-: print-length defaults to 12, so any string like a file
name gets truncated after only 12 chars which is frustrating
(especially since the ability to expand the "..." doesn't work there
because you can't click in the echo area :-( Maybe that should be
another bug report / feature request).
We should probably introduce another config var to limit string length,
or multiply `print-length` by some ad-hoc factor (like 4 maybe), or use
the max of print-length and frame-width, ...
Stefan
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