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https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address

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Reported by: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>

Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 18:32:02 UTC

Severity: minor

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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Message #3 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2019 13:31:37 -0500
Package: emacs
Severity: minor

I think https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address to report any
issues with the system.




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Message #6 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Mon, 18 Feb 2019 20:16:13 -0500
Glenn Morris wrote:

> I think https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address to report any
> issues with the system.

In fact for public-facing infrastructure like this I think a contact
address is a requirement. I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org
that can expand to whatever you like.

(Example of confusion caused by current situation:
http://lists.gnu.org/r/savannah-hackers-public/2019-02/msg00015.html )




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Message #9 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2019 10:01:13 -0500
>> I think https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address to report any
>> issues with the system.
> In fact for public-facing infrastructure like this I think a contact
> address is a requirement.

Indeed.  I think emacs-devel <at> gnu.org is likely the better place (it's
bound to get someone's attention).

> I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org that can expand to
> whatever you like.

This kind of "obvious" address should ideally work, indeed.

This said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the gnu.org mail system to
know how @elpa.gnu.org is handled, but before recommending such an
address we should make sure it works even when elpa.gnu.org is down
(like it is now :-( )


        Stefan




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Message #12 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Mon, 04 Nov 2019 21:21:27 +0100
[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]
Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca> writes:

>>> I think https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address to report any
>>> issues with the system.
>> In fact for public-facing infrastructure like this I think a contact
>> address is a requirement.
>
> Indeed.  I think emacs-devel <at> gnu.org is likely the better place (it's
> bound to get someone's attention).

How about the attached patch?

>> I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org that can expand to
>> whatever you like.
>
> This kind of "obvious" address should ideally work, indeed.
>
> This said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the gnu.org mail system to
> know how @elpa.gnu.org is handled, but before recommending such an
> address we should make sure it works even when elpa.gnu.org is down
> (like it is now :-( )

Who could we ask for help with that?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

[contact.diff (text/x-diff, inline)]
diff --git a/html/index.html b/html/index.html
index 1dcecc3d8..053315183 100644
--- a/html/index.html
+++ b/html/index.html
@@ -42,11 +42,27 @@
                     (see the <a href="https://savannah.gnu.org/projects/emacs">GNU Emacs project page</a>
                     for clone instructions).
                 </p>
-                
-                <p>
-                    To contribute new packages refer to the
+
+                <h3>Contact</h3>
+
+                <ul>
+                  <li>
+                    To contribute a new package refer to the
                     <a href="http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs/elpa.git/plain/README">README</a>.
-                </p>
+                  </li>
+                  <li>
+                    To report a bug, use the <code>M-x report-emacs-bug</code>
+                    command in Emacs.<br />For more information on reporting bugs, see
+                    <a href="https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Bugs.html">the
+                    Emacs Manual</a>.
+                  </li>
+                  <li>
+                    If you need help, you could try the <a href="https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/help-gnu-emacs">help-gnu-emacs mailing list</a>.
+                  </li>
+                  <li>
+                    For general inquiries, please contact <a href="https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/emacs-devel">emacs-devel mailing list</a>.
+                  </li>
+                </ul>
 
                 <!-- <p> You can grab the <a href="emacs-packages-latest.tgz">latest package snapshot</a>. -->            
             </div>
diff --git a/html/layout.css b/html/layout.css
index c75e0ea05..eb38ee9d3 100644
--- a/html/layout.css
+++ b/html/layout.css
@@ -76,6 +76,11 @@ h2 {
   margin: 1.2em 0px;
 }
 
+h3 {
+  font-size: 1.5em;
+  margin: 1.2em 0px;
+}
+
 a {
   color: #c73a6c;
   text-decoration: none;
@@ -292,3 +297,12 @@ td {
     font-size: 1.2em;
   }
 }
+
+ul {
+  list-style-type: circle;
+  margin-left: 1.2em;
+}
+
+li {
+  margin-bottom: 0.25em;
+}

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Message #15 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Cc: 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Wed, 06 Nov 2019 12:06:22 -0500
Stefan Monnier wrote:

>> I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org that can expand to
>> whatever you like.
[...]
> This said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the gnu.org mail system to
> know how @elpa.gnu.org is handled, but before recommending such an
> address we should make sure it works even when elpa.gnu.org is down

If you want it to work when elpa is down, I think you need to ask
sysadmin <at> gnu to create an alias elpa-admin <at> gnu or somesuch.




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Message #18 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 20:28:16 +0100
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> How about the attached patch?

[...]

> +                    To report a bug, use the <code>M-x report-emacs-bug</code>
> +                    command in Emacs.<br />For more information on reporting bugs, see
> +                    <a href="https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Bugs.html">the
> +                    Emacs Manual</a>.

(etc)

Looks good to me.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




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Message #21 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:36:32 +0100
Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> >> I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org that can expand to
> >> whatever you like.
> [...]
> > This said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the gnu.org mail system to
> > know how @elpa.gnu.org is handled, but before recommending such an
> > address we should make sure it works even when elpa.gnu.org is down
>
> If you want it to work when elpa is down, I think you need to ask
> sysadmin <at> gnu to create an alias elpa-admin <at> gnu or somesuch.

I could ask, but what e-mail address should the alias point to?  emacs-devel?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




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Message #24 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Tue, 19 Nov 2019 15:37:53 +0100
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
>
> > How about the attached patch?
>
> [...]
>
> > +                    To report a bug, use the <code>M-x report-emacs-bug</code>
> > +                    command in Emacs.<br />For more information on reporting bugs, see
> > +                    <a href="https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Bugs.html">the
> > +                    Emacs Manual</a>.
>
> (etc)
>
> Looks good to me.

Thanks.  I'll push it to the ELPA repository in a couple of days if no
one has protested by then.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




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Message #27 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:36:43 +0100
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:
>
>> Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:
>>
>> > How about the attached patch?
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > +                    To report a bug, use the <code>M-x report-emacs-bug</code>
>> > +                    command in Emacs.<br />For more information on reporting bugs, see
>> > +                    <a href="https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/html_node/emacs/Bugs.html">the
>> > +                    Emacs Manual</a>.
>>
>> (etc)
>>
>> Looks good to me.
>
> Thanks.  I'll push it to the ELPA repository in a couple of days if no
> one has protested by then.

No one has protested within 9 weeks, so I've now pushed this to
elpa.git as commit f242659bb.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




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Message #30 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: sysadmin <at> gnu.org
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 08:42:57 +0100
Dear GNU sysadmins,

Could you please help Emacs create an email alias from elpa-admin <at> gnu
to emacs-devel <at> gnu?

Please see below for background, and also:
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=34460

Thanks in advance.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>> >> I suggest some alias like admin <at> elpa.gnu.org that can expand to
>> >> whatever you like.
>> [...]
>> > This said, I'm not sufficiently familiar with the gnu.org mail system to
>> > know how @elpa.gnu.org is handled, but before recommending such an
>> > address we should make sure it works even when elpa.gnu.org is down
>>
>> If you want it to work when elpa is down, I think you need to ask
>> sysadmin <at> gnu to create an alias elpa-admin <at> gnu or somesuch.
>
> I could ask, but what e-mail address should the alias point to?  emacs-devel?
>
> Best regards,
> Stefan Kangas




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Message #33 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, sysadmin <at> gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 11:06:42 -0500
> Could you please help Emacs create an email alias from elpa-admin <at> gnu
> to emacs-devel <at> gnu?

Should be done now,


        Stefan





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Message #36 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2020 16:08:49 +0100
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> No one has protested within 9 weeks, so I've now pushed this to
> elpa.git as commit f242659bb.

This doesn't show up yet on elpa.gnu.org yet.  Is it waiting for some
automatic rebuild or does it need manual intervention?

Also, how would one go about changing the look of these two pages?

    https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/
    https://elpa.gnu.org/packages/ada-mode.html

I can't find the relevant files in elpa.git.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




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Message #39 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Monnier <monnier <at> iro.umontreal.ca>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>,
 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Fri, 24 Jan 2020 12:52:40 -0500
>> No one has protested within 9 weeks, so I've now pushed this to
>> elpa.git as commit f242659bb.
> This doesn't show up yet on elpa.gnu.org yet.  Is it waiting for some
> automatic rebuild or does it need manual intervention?

It needed manual intervention.
Should be better now.  Let me know if something is still missing,


        Stefan





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Message #42 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Sat, 15 Aug 2020 07:54:49 -0700
Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> writes:

> I think https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address to report any
> issues with the system.

Could you please take a look at elpa.gnu.org and see if you think
there's anything missing there?

Stefan M created the alias elpa-admin <at> gnu.org (forwarded to
emacs-devel), which we could possibly add.  I'm just not sure where we
should add it, or if we should do it at all.

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas




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Message #45 received at 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org>, 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34460: https://elpa.gnu.org should list a contact address
Date: Sun, 11 Oct 2020 03:51:11 +0200
Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Could you please take a look at elpa.gnu.org and see if you think
> there's anything missing there?

This was two weeks ago, so I'm assuming there's nothing more to be done
here, and I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




bug closed, send any further explanations to 34460 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Glenn Morris <rgm <at> gnu.org> Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Sun, 11 Oct 2020 01:52:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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