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First, on the test(1) man page, at
EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2
both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true
EXPRESSION1 -o EXPRESSION2
either EXPRESSION1 or EXPRESSION2 is true
Say instead
EXPRESSION1 -a EXPRESSION2
both EXPRESSION1 and EXPRESSION2 are true (See warning NOTE below.)
EXPRESSION1 -o EXPRESSION2
either EXPRESSION1 or EXPRESSION2 is true (See warning NOTE below.)
else users who never make it down to the "fine print at bottom" will
blithefully use them a lifetime without ever an inkling of the dangers!
(Indeed on (info "(coreutils) Connectives for test")
you discuss the dangers first, before even letting the users eyeballs
touch the syntax!)
Also on both man and info pages you need to warn of portability worries,
e.g., in bash we see -a and -o do even more things.
$ help test|egrep -- ' -(a|o) '
-a FILE True if file exists.
-o OPTION True if the shell option OPTION is enabled.
EXPR1 -a EXPR2 True if both expr1 AND expr2 are true.
EXPR1 -o EXPR2 True if either expr1 OR expr2 is true.
積丹尼 Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN>:bug-coreutils@HIDDEN.
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