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Confusing msgid " Running value is ~s.~%"

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From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: bug-guix <at> gnu.org
Subject: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2019 07:10:55 +0100

Hello,

I am fairly sure

#: modules/shepherd/scripts/herd.scm:86
#, scheme-format
msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"

refers to the value of the #:running slot but translators don’t know
that and would translate it as a value that is running.  This should
be changed and a comment for TRANSLATORS should be added.

Regards,
Florian

Message #10 received at 34498-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: 34498-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34498: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 12:34:03 +0200

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:

> I am fairly sure
>
> #: modules/shepherd/scripts/herd.scm:86
> #, scheme-format
> msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
>
> refers to the value of the #:running slot but translators don’t know
> that and would translate it as a value that is running.  This should
> be changed and a comment for TRANSLATORS should be added.

Done in Shepherd commit 5d418ff0de1ac0a5419344dfe70c08ed464f3797.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Message #13 received at 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34498: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 17:41:56 +0200

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:34:03PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:
> 
> > I am fairly sure
> >
> > #: modules/shepherd/scripts/herd.scm:86
> > #, scheme-format
> > msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
> >
> > refers to the value of the #:running slot but translators don’t know
> > that and would translate it as a value that is running.  This should
> > be changed and a comment for TRANSLATORS should be added.
> 
> Done in Shepherd commit 5d418ff0de1ac0a5419344dfe70c08ed464f3797.
> 
> Thanks,
> Ludo’.

No, it is not done.  What the manual described as the @code{running}
value, i.e. the value of the #:running slot, was understood by at
least one translator not as the value of #:running but as a value
which runs.

> #. TRANSLATORS: The "~s" bit is most of the time a placeholder
> #. for the PID (an integer) of the running process, and
> #. occasionally for another Scheme object.

This is not the information that translators need.

Regards,
Florian

Message #16 received at 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34498: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 18:37:34 +0200

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 12:34:03PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:
>> 
>> > I am fairly sure
>> >
>> > #: modules/shepherd/scripts/herd.scm:86
>> > #, scheme-format
>> > msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
>> >
>> > refers to the value of the #:running slot but translators don’t know
>> > that and would translate it as a value that is running.  This should
>> > be changed and a comment for TRANSLATORS should be added.
>> 
>> Done in Shepherd commit 5d418ff0de1ac0a5419344dfe70c08ed464f3797.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ludo’.
>
> No, it is not done.  What the manual described as the @code{running}
> value, i.e. the value of the #:running slot, was understood by at
> least one translator not as the value of #:running but as a value
> which runs.

Yes, that’s what I understood from your message.

>> #. TRANSLATORS: The "~s" bit is most of the time a placeholder
>> #. for the PID (an integer) of the running process, and
>> #. occasionally for another Scheme object.
>
> This is not the information that translators need.

Can you suggest a better comment?

Thanks,
Ludo’.

Message #19 received at 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
To: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34498: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:24:37 +0200

On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 06:37:34PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
> Can you suggest a better comment?
> 

Maybe: ;; TRANSLATORS: 'running' is the name of a variable.

I thought #:running describes the manner in which the service is
running.  Maybe I misunderstand.

Mario Blättermann translated literally before and I changed it to a
German translation of "  Runs with »running« value ~s.~%" (with a
German word for only the first occurrence of “run”).

I am sorry for having responded in a rude manner before.

Regards,
Florian

Message #22 received at 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ludovic Courtès <ludo <at> gnu.org>
To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de>
Cc: 34498 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34498: Confusing msgid "  Running value is ~s.~%"
Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 10:06:18 +0200

Hi Florian,

"pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian <at> pelzflorian.de> skribis:

> On Thu, Apr 18, 2019 at 06:37:34PM +0200, Ludovic Courtès wrote:
>> Can you suggest a better comment?
>> 
>
> Maybe: ;; TRANSLATORS: 'running' is the name of a variable.

That’s not quite true though (it’s a slot in the <service> class,
technically.)

I agree that “running value” is a confusing phrase.  That’s why I wrote
that it’s a PID most of the time, hoping that this would clarify it.

> I thought #:running describes the manner in which the service is
> running.  Maybe I misunderstand.

Yeah, it’s really just a PID:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
$ sudo herd status nscd
Status of nscd:
  It is started.
  Running value is 446.
  It is enabled.
  Provides (nscd).
  Requires (user-processes).
  Conflicts with ().
  Will be respawned.
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

We’ve just received new translations, so let’s see if that looks good.

Thanks,
Ludo’.

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