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26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

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From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:16:25 +0000

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When I insert a date by pressing CTRL+C then period then enter I get "<2019-02-28 ¶g¥|>".

I'm not sure what the strange character is (¶g¥|), can someone help?

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Message #12 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 19:55:06 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:16:25 +0000
> 
> When I insert a date by pressing CTRL+C then period then enter I get “<2019-02-28 ¶g¥|>”.
> 
> I’m not sure what the strange character is (¶g¥|), can someone help?

Please show a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q", to reproduce
the issue.  When I type "Ctrl-C ." in "emacs -Q", Emacs says that
sequence is not bound to any command, so I wonder what is needed to
"insert a date" in your scenario.

Thanks.

Message #15 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:11:45 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
>> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:16:25 +0000
>> 
>> When I insert a date by pressing CTRL+C then period then enter I get “<2019-02-28 ¶g¥|>”.
>> 
>> I’m not sure what the strange character is (¶g¥|), can someone help?
>
> Please show a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q", to reproduce
> the issue.  When I type "Ctrl-C ." in "emacs -Q", Emacs says that
> sequence is not bound to any command, so I wonder what is needed to
> "insert a date" in your scenario.

From the output, this is 'org-time-stamp', which produces
<2019-02-28 Thu> here. Based on this in the report:

    Important settings:
      value of $LANG: ZHH
      locale-coding-system: cp1252

Iʼm assuming thereʼs an issue with buffer-file-coding-system or
similar. If I do

LANG=zh_HK src/emacs -Q
(require 'org)
(org-time-stamp) => <2019-02-28 四>

where that character after the date is CJK IDEOGRAPH-56DB

(and now Iʼve exhausted what I know about Asian characters)

Robert

Message #18 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 21:56:13 +0200

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 20:11:45 +0100
> 
> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
> 
> >> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> >> Date: Thu, 28 Feb 2019 14:16:25 +0000
> >> 
> >> When I insert a date by pressing CTRL+C then period then enter I get “<2019-02-28 ¶g¥|>”.
> >> 
> >> I’m not sure what the strange character is (¶g¥|), can someone help?
> >
> > Please show a complete recipe, starting from "emacs -Q", to reproduce
> > the issue.  When I type "Ctrl-C ." in "emacs -Q", Emacs says that
> > sequence is not bound to any command, so I wonder what is needed to
> > "insert a date" in your scenario.
> 
> >From the output, this is 'org-time-stamp', which produces
> <2019-02-28 Thu> here. Based on this in the report:
> 
>     Important settings:
>       value of $LANG: ZHH
>       locale-coding-system: cp1252
> 
> Iʼm assuming thereʼs an issue with buffer-file-coding-system or
> similar.

Unlikely: buffer-file-coding-system has no effect whatsoever on the
text that is inserted into a buffer, it only has effect when you want
to save the buffer or send it to some sub-process.

It could be some snafu in Org, though, e.,g. if it doesn't know how to
support that value of $LANG.  In any case, should be reported to Org
developers first.

Message #21 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 11:00:01 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> Iʼm assuming thereʼs an issue with buffer-file-coding-system or
>> similar.
>
> Unlikely: buffer-file-coding-system has no effect whatsoever on the
> text that is inserted into a buffer, it only has effect when you want
> to save the buffer or send it to some sub-process.
>
> It could be some snafu in Org, though, e.,g. if it doesn't know how to
> support that value of $LANG.  In any case, should be reported to Org
> developers first.

org-time-stamp just calls essentially

(insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time)))

so itʼs hard to see how this could be an issue in Org.

Does this happen when running 'emacs -Q'?

Robert

Message #24 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 12:35:28 +0200

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 11:00:01 +0100
> 
> > It could be some snafu in Org, though, e.,g. if it doesn't know how to
> > support that value of $LANG.  In any case, should be reported to Org
> > developers first.
> 
> org-time-stamp just calls essentially
> 
> (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time)))
> 
> so itʼs hard to see how this could be an issue in Org.

That's only so if the above produces the same garbled result as in the
original report.  Does it?

Message #27 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:47:21 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 11:00:01 +0100
>> 
>> > It could be some snafu in Org, though, e.,g. if it doesn't know how to
>> > support that value of $LANG.  In any case, should be reported to Org
>> > developers first.
>> 
>> org-time-stamp just calls essentially
>> 
>> (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time)))
>> 
>> so itʼs hard to see how this could be an issue in Org.
>
> That's only so if the above produces the same garbled result as in the
> original report.  Does it?

Didnʼt I send this yesterday?

$ LANG=zh_HK src/emacs -Q -l ss.el
(require 'org)
(org-time-stamp)
<2019-03-01 五>

I think '五' is 'Five', but donʼt quote me on that.

So at least for me itʼs working correctly (in both *scratch* and an
Org-mode buffer), which means thereʼs something wrong in the
reporter's configuration somewhere.

Robert

Message #30 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:49:34 +0100

Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> writes:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:
>
>>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
>>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 11:00:01 +0100
>>> 
>>> > It could be some snafu in Org, though, e.,g. if it doesn't know how to
>>> > support that value of $LANG.  In any case, should be reported to Org
>>> > developers first.
>>> 
>>> org-time-stamp just calls essentially
>>> 
>>> (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time)))
>>> 
>>> so itʼs hard to see how this could be an issue in Org.
>>
>> That's only so if the above produces the same garbled result as in the
>> original report.  Does it?
>
> Didnʼt I send this yesterday?
>
> $ LANG=zh_HK src/emacs -Q -l ss.el
> (require 'org)
> (org-time-stamp)
> <2019-03-01 五>
>
> I think '五' is 'Five', but donʼt quote me on that.
>
> So at least for me itʼs working correctly (in both *scratch* and an
> Org-mode buffer), which means thereʼs something wrong in the
> reporter's configuration somewhere.

And also

(insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time)))

produces the same result for me.

Message #33 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 16:09:24 +0200

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:47:21 +0100
> 
> > That's only so if the above produces the same garbled result as in the
> > original report.  Does it?
> 
> Didnʼt I send this yesterday?
> 
> $ LANG=zh_HK src/emacs -Q -l ss.el
> (require 'org)
> (org-time-stamp)
> <2019-03-01 五>
> 
> I think '五' is 'Five', but donʼt quote me on that.

This is not garbage by any measure.  Please compare with what the OP
reported.

In any case, the original report was for Thursday, not Friday.  the
former should AFAIU display 四.  But neither is nowhere close to the
sequence the OP reported, not even if I break the correct character
into individual bytes, so some other factor is at work here.

> So at least for me itʼs working correctly (in both *scratch* and an
> Org-mode buffer), which means thereʼs something wrong in the
> reporter's configuration somewhere.

What, if anything, is wrong with the OP's configuration is exactly the
issue here.  There's no question that current-time and
format-time-string work in general.

Message #36 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:25:04 +0100

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
>> Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 14:47:21 +0100
>> 
>> > That's only so if the above produces the same garbled result as in the
>> > original report.  Does it?
>> 
>> Didnʼt I send this yesterday?
>> 
>> $ LANG=zh_HK src/emacs -Q -l ss.el
>> (require 'org)
>> (org-time-stamp)
>> <2019-03-01 五>
>> 
>> I think '五' is 'Five', but donʼt quote me on that.
>
> This is not garbage by any measure.  Please compare with what the OP
> reported.

We are miscommunicating. I was demonstrating that in my setup,
org-time-stamp produces the correct output => itʼs a configuration
issue.

> What, if anything, is wrong with the OP's configuration is exactly the
> issue here.

Right.

Robert

Message #39 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 16:42:58 +0200

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:25:04 +0100
> 
> We are miscommunicating. I was demonstrating that in my setup,
> org-time-stamp produces the correct output => itʼs a configuration
> issue.

I'm not yet sure it's a configuration issue.  It could be some bug
specific to Windows.

Message #42 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:41:41 +0000

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by emacs -Q.

How exactly am I supposed to run this command? 

I tried ctrl c and then started typing 'emacs -Q' but it did nothing.

-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Friday, March 1, 2019 2:43 PM
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk,  34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 01 Mar 2019 15:25:04 +0100
> 
> We are miscommunicating. I was demonstrating that in my setup, 
> org-time-stamp produces the correct output => itʼs a configuration 
> issue.

I'm not yet sure it's a configuration issue.  It could be some bug specific to Windows.

Message #45 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 11:43:09 +0100

>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:41:41 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:

    Philip> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by emacs -Q.  How
    Philip> exactly am I supposed to run this command?

    Philip> I tried ctrl c and then started typing 'emacs -Q' but it
    Philip> did nothing.

I guess youʼre starting emacs by clicking on some icon? You need to
start it from the command line, with an argument of -Q, probably from
cmd.exe or similar (I am Emacs-on-windows ignorant).

Robert

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From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:47:00 +0000

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-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:43 AM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date



>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:41:41 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk<mailto:Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>> said:



    Philip> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by emacs -Q.  How

    Philip> exactly am I supposed to run this command?



    Philip> I tried ctrl c and then started typing 'emacs -Q' but it

    Philip> did nothing.



I guess youʼre starting emacs by clicking on some icon? You need to start it from the command line, with an argument of -Q, probably from cmd.exe or similar (I am Emacs-on-windows ignorant).



Robert

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From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:45:34 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:41:41 +0000
> 
> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by emacs -Q.
> 
> How exactly am I supposed to run this command? 

Open the Windows command window that runs cmd.exe, and type "emacs -Q"
there.  Then press the [Enter] key.

Message #54 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:58:23 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:47:00 +0000
> 
> Does the same thing

OK.  Can you send the list of abbreviated weekdays in your locale's
language, as you expect them to be displayed?  Please send them as
text, not as images.

Also, does this display the data correctly:

  M-: (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time))) RET

or does it insert the same garbled characters?

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From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0000

Chinese, Sunday to Saturday:
日
一
二
三
四
五
六

Attempting M-: (I hope I did this right, I pressed Alt + Shift + :, then copied and pasted your command)

No output but it says this on the bottom: 'Trailing garbage following expression'

-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 2:58 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 10:47:00 +0000
> 
> Does the same thing

OK.  Can you send the list of abbreviated weekdays in your locale's language, as you expect them to be displayed?  Please send them as text, not as images.

Also, does this display the data correctly:

  M-: (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %a>" (current-time))) RET

or does it insert the same garbled characters?

Message #60 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:41:59 +0100

>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:

    Philip> Chinese, Sunday to Saturday:日一二三四五六

    Philip> Attempting M-: (I hope I did this right, I pressed Alt +
    Philip> Shift + :, then copied and pasted your command)

    Philip> No output but it says this on the bottom: 'Trailing
    Philip> garbage following expression'

I guess that means you typed literally ' RET'. Eli meant: type the
command up to the closing ')', and then hit the 'Enter' key, which we
normally refer to as 'RET'.

Robert

Message #63 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:43:00 +0000

I can confirm that I did press Enter, I assumed that meant Return already.

-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 4:42 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

>>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:

    Philip> Chinese, Sunday to Saturday:日一二三四五六

    Philip> Attempting M-: (I hope I did this right, I pressed Alt +
    Philip> Shift + :, then copied and pasted your command)

    Philip> No output but it says this on the bottom: 'Trailing
    Philip> garbage following expression'

I guess that means you typed literally ' RET'. Eli meant: type the command up to the closing ')', and then hit the 'Enter' key, which we normally refer to as 'RET'.

Robert

Message #66 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 18:54:00 +0200

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> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:43:00 +0000
> Accept-Language: en-GB, ja-JP, en-US
> 
> I can confirm that I did press Enter, I assumed that meant Return already.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com> 
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 4:42 PM
> To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:
> 
>     Philip> Chinese, Sunday to Saturday:日一二三四五六
> 
>     Philip> Attempting M-: (I hope I did this right, I pressed Alt +
>     Philip> Shift + :, then copied and pasted your command)
> 
>     Philip> No output but it says this on the bottom: 'Trailing
>     Philip> garbage following expression'
> 
> I guess that means you typed literally ' RET'. Eli meant: type the command up to the closing ')', and then hit the 'Enter' key, which we normally refer to as 'RET'.

Then please make sure you type 3 closing parentheses at the end, not
4.  If I type 4, I get the same response as you describe.

Message #69 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:55:42 +0000

Thanks Eli, you're right.

I still get '<2019-03-11 ¶g¤@>'

-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 4:54 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

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> 	RECEIVED_FROM_WINDOWS_HOST,URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled 
> version=3.3.2
> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:43:00 +0000
> Accept-Language: en-GB, ja-JP, en-US
> 
> I can confirm that I did press Enter, I assumed that meant Return already.
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 4:42 PM
> To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
> 
> >>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:13:16 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:
> 
>     Philip> Chinese, Sunday to Saturday:日一二三四五六
> 
>     Philip> Attempting M-: (I hope I did this right, I pressed Alt +
>     Philip> Shift + :, then copied and pasted your command)
> 
>     Philip> No output but it says this on the bottom: 'Trailing
>     Philip> garbage following expression'
> 
> I guess that means you typed literally ' RET'. Eli meant: type the command up to the closing ')', and then hit the 'Enter' key, which we normally refer to as 'RET'.

Then please make sure you type 3 closing parentheses at the end, not 4.  If I type 4, I get the same response as you describe.

Message #72 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:29:47 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:55:42 +0000
> 
> Thanks Eli, you're right.
> 
> I still get '<2019-03-11 ¶g¤@>'

OK, as expected.  This means Org is indeed off the hook, the problem
is with format-time-string and/or the Windows implementation of the
strftime function.

Does the below produce correct  results, or does it also produce
garbled strings:

  M-: (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %A>" (current-time))) RET

This is the same as what you tried, but with capital %A instead of
lower-case %a.  %A should produce the full name of the weekday.

Also, please evaluate each of the following expressions with
M-: ... RET (replace the "..." with each expression below), and
please tell what each of them produced:

    (w32-get-current-locale-id)
    (w32-get-locale-info (w32-get-current-locale-id) t)
    (w32-get-default-locale-id)
    (w32-get-default-locale-id t)
    (locale-info 'days)

Message #75 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:35:05 +0000

Here is the output in the order of commands you mentioned:
<2019-03-11 ¬P´Á¤@>

For the other commands, there is no output in the actual buffer) but on the bottom it says....
3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
"?? (??,???????)"
1033 (#o2011, #x409)
3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
["???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???"]    

-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:30 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 16:55:42 +0000
> 
> Thanks Eli, you're right.
> 
> I still get '<2019-03-11 ¶g¤@>'

OK, as expected.  This means Org is indeed off the hook, the problem is with format-time-string and/or the Windows implementation of the strftime function.

Does the below produce correct  results, or does it also produce garbled strings:

  M-: (insert (format-time-string "<%Y-%m-%d %A>" (current-time))) RET

This is the same as what you tried, but with capital %A instead of lower-case %a.  %A should produce the full name of the weekday.

Also, please evaluate each of the following expressions with
M-: ... RET (replace the "..." with each expression below), and please tell what each of them produced:

    (w32-get-current-locale-id)
    (w32-get-locale-info (w32-get-current-locale-id) t)
    (w32-get-default-locale-id)
    (w32-get-default-locale-id t)
    (locale-info 'days)

Message #78 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 19:55:25 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:35:05 +0000
> 
> Here is the output in the order of commands you mentioned:
> <2019-03-11 ¬P´Á¤@>
> 
> For the other commands, there is no output in the actual buffer) but on the bottom it says....
> 3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
> "?? (??,???????)"
> 1033 (#o2011, #x409)
> 3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
> ["???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???"]    

Thanks, I think I understand what happens.  The problem is that your
locale produces day names that cannot be represented with codepage
1252, so you get garbled strings and question marks instead.

Does it help to change the value of locale-coding-system, like below?

  M-: (setq locale-coding-system 'cp950)

Message #81 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Takaaki Ishikawa <takaxp <at> ieee.org>
To: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: Re: [O] bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:42:39 +0900

[Message part 1 (text/plain, inline)]

Hi folks,

Have you tried to use `set-local-environment'?
I usually use the command to change the date formatting in my init.el as
follows:

(set-locale-environment "en_US.UTF-8") ;; "ja_JP.UTF-8"

Best  regards,
Takaaki Ishikawa


2019年3月12日(火) 3:34 Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>:

> Does the same thing
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>
> Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 10:43 AM
> To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
>
>
>
> >>>>> On Mon, 11 Mar 2019 09:41:41 +0000, "Wong, Philip" <
> Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk> said:
>
>
>
>     Philip> Sorry, I don't understand what you mean by emacs -Q.  How
>
>     Philip> exactly am I supposed to run this command?
>
>
>
>     Philip> I tried ctrl c and then started typing 'emacs -Q' but it
>
>     Philip> did nothing.
>
>
>
> I guess youʼre starting emacs by clicking on some icon? You need to start
> it from the command line, with an argument of -Q, probably from cmd.exe or
> similar (I am Emacs-on-windows ignorant).
>
>
>
> Robert
>

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Message #84 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:58:17 +0000

That did the job, thanks!


-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Monday, March 11, 2019 5:55 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Mon, 11 Mar 2019 17:35:05 +0000
> 
> Here is the output in the order of commands you mentioned:
> <2019-03-11 ¬P´Á¤@>
> 
> For the other commands, there is no output in the actual buffer) but on the bottom it says....
> 3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
> "?? (??,???????)"
> 1033 (#o2011, #x409)
> 3076 (#o6004, #xc04)
> ["???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???" "???"]    

Thanks, I think I understand what happens.  The problem is that your locale produces day names that cannot be represented with codepage 1252, so you get garbled strings and question marks instead.

Does it help to change the value of locale-coding-system, like below?

  M-: (setq locale-coding-system 'cp950)

Message #87 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Takaaki Ishikawa <takaxp <at> ieee.org>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: [O] bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 17:53:08 +0200

> From: Takaaki Ishikawa <takaxp <at> ieee.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 12:42:39 +0900
> Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 
> 	"34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> 
> Have you tried to use `set-local-environment'?
> I usually use the command to change the date formatting in my init.el as follows:
> 
> (set-locale-environment "en_US.UTF-8") ;; "ja_JP.UTF-8"

You are on GNU/Linux, right?  Because the above will not work on
Windows, because UTF-8 os not reliably supported, not even in Windows
10 (which added some improvements in that area).

But perhaps this could help:

  (set-language-environment "Chinese-Big5")

However, it's possible that even this will not help, unless the system
codepage is changed to something that can support Chinese.

Message #90 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: "Wong\, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 18:01:10 +0200

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:58:17 +0000
> 
> That did the job, thanks!

OK, thanks.  I guess we will need to try doing this automatically at
startup...

Message #93 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>,
 "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
Subject: RE: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 16:04:23 +0000

FTR I'm running Windows 10

-----Original Message-----
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 12, 2019 4:01 PM
To: Wong, Philip <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
Cc: rpluim <at> gmail.com; 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date

> From: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>
> CC: "rpluim <at> gmail.com" <rpluim <at> gmail.com>, "34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org"
> 	<34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
> Date: Tue, 12 Mar 2019 09:58:17 +0000
> 
> That did the job, thanks!

OK, thanks.  I guess we will need to try doing this automatically at startup...

Message #96 received at 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Bastien <bzg <at> gnu.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>, rpluim <at> gmail.com,
 34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:10:21 +0200

It seems like the bug is not related to org-mode.

I'd like to "unassign" the bug report from org-mode, but
I am not sure how to do that.  If anyone can help, thanks.

-- 
 Bastien

Message #101 received at 34684-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Bastien <bzg <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk, rpluim <at> gmail.com, 34684-done <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#34684: 26.1; Strange characters when inserting date
Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 15:18:07 +0300

> From: Bastien <bzg <at> gnu.org>
> Cc: "Wong, Philip" <Philip.Wong <at> warwick.ac.uk>,  rpluim <at> gmail.com,
>   34684 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Fri, 22 May 2020 14:10:21 +0200
> 
> It seems like the bug is not related to org-mode.

It isn't, but it can also be closed.  Which I did.

Thanks.

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