Received: (at 34984) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Mar 2019 08:42:27 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Mar 29 04:42:27 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:35029 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1h9n5n-0005ZD-0T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 04:42:27 -0400 Received: from mlsec.cc.okayama-u.ac.jp ([42.127.236.175]:49125) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tkk@HIDDEN>) id 1h9n5k-0005Yt-P3 for 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 04:42:25 -0400 Received: from alml002.ouadm.okayama-u.ac.jp (unknown [42.127.236.168]) by mlsec.cc.okayama-u.ac.jp with smtp id 5bd9_5727_7fbdb848_d482_4870_b028_963756cb15ca; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:42:11 +0900 Received: from localhost (vesta.misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp [150.46.48.154]) by alml002.ouadm.okayama-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 936D54C0A37; Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:42:02 +0900 (JST) Date: Fri, 29 Mar 2019 17:42:02 +0900 (JST) Message-Id: <20190329.174202.1797444747117651115.tkk@HIDDEN> To: alan@HIDDEN Subject: Re: bug#34984: ns-right-command-modifier has influence to left From: Tak Kunihiro <tkk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <20190328215229.GB52808@HIDDEN> References: <20190325214155.GA48792@HIDDEN> <B439F84D-942C-40EB-8C05-C3CFC66FD34E@HIDDEN> <20190328215229.GB52808@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Mew version 6.8 on Emacs 26.1 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: Text/Plain; charset=iso-2022-jp Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 11 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 4 Rules triggered EDT_SA_AU_PASS=0, EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, EDT_SA_TS_PASS=0, RV6513=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6513> : inlines <7045> : streams <1817095> : uri <2821815> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34984 Cc: tkk@HIDDEN, 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > Can you replicate the issue with the master branch? >> > The modifier handling has been almost completely rewritten in it. >> >> I tested on 27.0.50. The results are the same. > > Thanks. > >> I connected USB keyboard not specifically designed for macOS. >> I swap `Option Key' and `Command Key$B!G(B using on Keyboard panel >> in System Preferences. I do not use third-party key remapping >> software. > > I can replicate this. The key is to swap command and option. I also > see it using my swapped caps lock $B!>(B> ctrl. It shows up as right > control when I would expect it to be left. > > For the record the Mac port has the same issue. > > Sorry, I can$B!G(Bt think of any way round it. I'm okay. I wanted the right-command key acts as Apple key when I have to switch between Excel and Emacs 100 times but such opportunity is very rare. Thank you to take a look of the problem. I will keep trying to report problems of Emacs on macOS.
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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:6c8e:2e7d:cd87:789a]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id z14sm193157wrv.78.2019.03.28.14.52.31 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 28 Mar 2019 14:52:31 -0700 (PDT) Date: Thu, 28 Mar 2019 21:52:29 +0000 From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> To: Tak Kunihiro <tkk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#34984: ns-right-command-modifier has influence to left Message-ID: <20190328215229.GB52808@HIDDEN> References: <20190325.095737.39407904584981029.tkk@HIDDEN> <20190325214155.GA48792@HIDDEN> <B439F84D-942C-40EB-8C05-C3CFC66FD34E@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <B439F84D-942C-40EB-8C05-C3CFC66FD34E@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34984 Cc: 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Tue, Mar 26, 2019 at 12:46:18PM +0900, Tak Kunihiro wrote: > Dear Alan, > > > Can you replicate the issue with the master branch? > > The modifier handling has been almost completely rewritten in it. > > I tested on 27.0.50. The results are the same. Thanks. > I connected USB keyboard not specifically designed for macOS. > I swap `Option Key' and `Command Key’ using on Keyboard panel > in System Preferences. I do not use third-party key remapping > software. I can replicate this. The key is to swap command and option. I also see it using my swapped caps lock ‐> ctrl. It shows up as right control when I would expect it to be left. Unfortunately I’m not sure what we can do about it. I don’t think we have any way of determining whether the keys have been swapped. And even if we did, whether the keyboard is a USB one. Someone with an Apple developer account could raise it on radar, but as the keycodes we’re using to determine left vs right are unofficial I don’t know if Apple would do anything. For the record the Mac port has the same issue. Sorry, I can’t think of any way round it. -- Alan Third
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Full text available.Received: (at 34984) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Mar 2019 03:46:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 25 23:46:43 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58893 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1h8d2x-0005OY-4t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:46:43 -0400 Received: from mlsec.cc.okayama-u.ac.jp ([42.127.236.175]:29336) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <tkk@HIDDEN>) id 1h8d2u-0005OH-S8 for 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 25 Mar 2019 23:46:42 -0400 Received: from alml002.ouadm.okayama-u.ac.jp (unknown [42.127.236.168]) by mlsec.cc.okayama-u.ac.jp with smtp id 7ec8_a24c_2ff232a2_661e_4d5e_b6e3_badd396be9fb; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:46:28 +0900 Received: from [192.168.1.53] (vesta.misasa.okayama-u.ac.jp [150.46.48.154]) by alml002.ouadm.okayama-u.ac.jp (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 16F144C0CBA; Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:46:19 +0900 (JST) Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.8\)) Subject: Re: bug#34984: ns-right-command-modifier has influence to left From: Tak Kunihiro <tkk@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <20190325214155.GA48792@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2019 12:46:18 +0900 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <B439F84D-942C-40EB-8C05-C3CFC66FD34E@HIDDEN> References: <20190325.095737.39407904584981029.tkk@HIDDEN> <20190325214155.GA48792@HIDDEN> To: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.8) X-NAI-Spam-Flag: NO X-NAI-Spam-Level: X-NAI-Spam-Threshold: 11 X-NAI-Spam-Score: 0.1 X-NAI-Spam-Rules: 5 Rules triggered GME_TWTRE=0.1, EDT_SA_AU_PASS=0, EDT_SA_DN_PASS=0, EDT_SA_TS_PASS=0, RV6510=0 X-NAI-Spam-Version: 2.3.0.9418 : core <6510> : inlines <7044> : streams <1816789> : uri <2819749> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34984 Cc: =?utf-8?B?5Zu95bqD5Y2T5Lmf?= <tkk@HIDDEN>, 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dear Alan, > Can you replicate the issue with the master branch? > The modifier handling has been almost completely rewritten in it. I tested on 27.0.50. The results are the same. > Does the right command key work correctly? It does not work correctly. Even after (setq ns-right-command-modifier = =E2=80=98meta), `rightcommand-x=E2=80=99 gives `s-x=E2=80=99. > Do you use any third=E2=80=90party key remapping software? I connected USB keyboard not specifically designed for macOS. I swap `Option Key' and `Command Key=E2=80=99 using on Keyboard panel=20 in System Preferences. I do not use third-party key remapping software. Tak GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin18.5.0, NS appkit-1671.40 = Version 10.14.4 (Build 18E226)) of 2019-03-26 macOS Mojave 10.14.4 Mac mini (2018) ~/Downloads/emacs/nextstep/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q C-h k leftcommand-x s-x runs the command kill-region (found in global-map),... c-h k rightcommand-x s-x runs the command kill-region (found in global-map),... M-: (setq ns-right-command-modifier 'meta) C-h k leftcommand-x M-x runs the command execute-extended-command (found in global-map),... c-h k rightcommand-x s-x runs the command kill-region (found in global-map), ... > On Mar 26, 2019, at 06:41, Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> wrote: >=20 > On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:57:37AM +0900, Tak Kunihiro wrote: >> On macOS, assignment for left-command key is controlled >> by that for right-command key. >>=20 >> GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0, NS = appkit-1348.17 Version 10.10.5 (Build 14F2511)) of 2018-05-31 >> macOS Mojave 10.14.3 >> Mac mini (2018) >>=20 >> /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q >> C-h k leftcommand-x >> s-x runs the command kill-region (found in global-map),... >> M-: (setq ns-right-command-modifier 'meta) >> C-h k leftcommand-x >> M-x runs the command execute-extended-command (found in = global-map),... >>=20 >> This does not happen with Mac mini (2012) with other parameters and >> the same keyboard. >=20 > Hi Tak, some questions: >=20 > Can you replicate the issue with the master branch? The modifier > handling has been almost completely rewritten in it. >=20 > Does the right command key work correctly? >=20 > Do you use any third=E2=80=90party key remapping software?
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[2001:8b0:3f8:8129:b438:5290:54f6:68aa]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id c126sm20430775wma.0.2019.03.25.14.41.57 (version=TLS1_2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES128-GCM-SHA256 bits=128/128); Mon, 25 Mar 2019 14:41:57 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 25 Mar 2019 21:41:55 +0000 From: Alan Third <alan@HIDDEN> To: Tak Kunihiro <tkk@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#34984: ns-right-command-modifier has influence to left Message-ID: <20190325214155.GA48792@HIDDEN> References: <20190325.095737.39407904584981029.tkk@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20190325.095737.39407904584981029.tkk@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/1.11.3 (2019-02-01) X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 34984 Cc: 34984 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) On Mon, Mar 25, 2019 at 09:57:37AM +0900, Tak Kunihiro wrote: > On macOS, assignment for left-command key is controlled > by that for right-command key. > > GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-apple-darwin14.5.0, NS appkit-1348.17 Version 10.10.5 (Build 14F2511)) of 2018-05-31 > macOS Mojave 10.14.3 > Mac mini (2018) > > /Applications/Emacs.app/Contents/MacOS/Emacs -Q > C-h k leftcommand-x > s-x runs the command kill-region (found in global-map),... > M-: (setq ns-right-command-modifier 'meta) > C-h k leftcommand-x > M-x runs the command execute-extended-command (found in global-map),... > > This does not happen with Mac mini (2012) with other parameters and > the same keyboard. Hi Tak, some questions: Can you replicate the issue with the master branch? The modifier handling has been almost completely rewritten in it. Does the right command key work correctly? Do you use any third‐party key remapping software? -- Alan Third
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