Received: (at 35435) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 May 2019 08:17:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu May 02 04:17:42 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45538 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hM6uU-0000Jd-1s for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 04:17:42 -0400 Received: from smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch ([128.65.195.4]:43019) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eric.danan@HIDDEN>) id 1hM6uR-0000JU-RX for 35435 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 02 May 2019 04:17:41 -0400 Received: from smtp7.infomaniak.ch (smtp7.infomaniak.ch [83.166.132.30]) by smtp-sh.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x428HUGR023458 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Thu, 2 May 2019 10:17:30 +0200 Received: from [10.20.17.114] ([194.167.235.219]) (authenticated bits=0) by smtp7.infomaniak.ch (8.14.5/8.14.5) with ESMTP id x428HT9P127679 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=AES128-SHA bits=128 verify=NO); Thu, 2 May 2019 10:17:29 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#35435: 26.1; Gnome magnifier not following cursor when typing in emacs To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> References: <77a6ac4f-aa3c-74ee-764b-e9df21692d36@HIDDEN> <83zhodvx08.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eric Danan <eric.danan@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <98092a61-4443-8415-17a1-370e270ee060@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 2 May 2019 10:17:38 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; WOW64; rv:60.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/60.6.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <83zhodvx08.fsf@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: fr-classic Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus: Dr.Web (R) for Unix mail servers drweb plugin ver.6.0.2.8 X-Antivirus-Code: 0x100000 X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 35435 Cc: Alex ARNAUD <alex@HIDDEN>, 35435 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Thanks for your reply. I don't have the knowledge (neither on the emacs code nor on X) to prepare such a patch, and I of course understand if no one else can do it, but I an otherwise happy to test things if that can help. (Also cc'ing Alex Arnaud, which I forgot to do the first time.) On 2019-04-26 13:14, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> From: Eric Danan <eric.danan@HIDDEN> >> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:05:41 +0200 >> >> Due to a visual impairment I constantly work with a screen magnifier >> turned on (in full screen mode), and I need it to track the cursor/caret >> to follow what I am typing. >> >> So far I am using emacs 26.1 on cygwin on windows 10, and the windows 10 >> magnifier does the job of tracking the cursor. >> >> I am considering switching to gnome on linux and therefore installed the >> fedora (version 29) distribution to try it out. The gnome (3.30) shell >> magnifier supports cursor tracking and it works in other applications >> but not emacs (26.1). >> >> I previously sent this message to the gnome accessibility list (that was >> a long time ago in 2015, so with earlier versions of emacs and gnome) >> and got a reply from Alex Arnaud stating: >> >> > I've tried to test Emacs with Accercicer (a accessibility debug tool) >> and my conclusion are Emacs doesn't connect it to AT-SPI (accessibility >> stack). > > The Windows port of Emacs has special code to move the system caret in > sync with the cursor. I guess the X build should have something > similar, patches are welcome to implement that. >
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X-Received-From: 128.65.195.6 X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.6.x X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Hello, Due to a visual impairment I constantly work with a screen magnifier=20 turned on (in full screen mode), and I need it to track the cursor/caret=20 to follow what I am typing. So far I am using emacs 26.1 on cygwin on windows 10, and the windows 10=20 magnifier does the job of tracking the cursor. I am considering switching to gnome on linux and therefore installed the=20 fedora (version 29) distribution to try it out. The gnome (3.30) shell=20 magnifier supports cursor tracking and it works in other applications=20 but not emacs (26.1). I previously sent this message to the gnome accessibility list (that was=20 a long time ago in 2015, so with earlier versions of emacs and gnome)=20 and got a reply from Alex Arnaud stating: > I've tried to test Emacs with Accercicer (a accessibility debug tool)=20 and my conclusion are Emacs doesn't connect it to AT-SPI (accessibility=20 stack). I then wrote to the emacs-devel mailing list 2 months ago and Stefan=20 Monnier suggested that I open a bug. A simple recipe to reproduce the issue is: - Turn on gnome magnifier from Settings > Universal access, - Launch emacs - Start typing in the scratch buffer As you type, the magnified area would be expected to move to follow the=20 cursor, but it does not and at some point the cursor leaves the=20 magnified area so you do not see what you are typing anymore. Please let me know if any further information is needed. Best regards, Eric In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.23.2) of 2018-08-13 built on buildvm-13.phx2.fedoraproject.org Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.12001000 Recent messages: Loading=20 /usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/desktop-entry-mode-init.el=20 (source)...done For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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