GNU bug report logs - #35435
26.1; Gnome magnifier not following cursor when typing in emacs

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Package: emacs; Severity: important; Reported by: Eric Danan <eric.danan@HIDDEN>; dated Fri, 26 Apr 2019 11:06:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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Subject: Re: bug#35435: 26.1;
 Gnome magnifier not following cursor when typing in emacs
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> From: Eric Danan <eric.danan@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 26 Apr 2019 13:05:41 +0200
> 
> Due to a visual impairment I constantly work with a screen magnifier 
> turned on (in full screen mode), and I need it to track the cursor/caret 
> to follow what I am typing.
> 
> So far I am using emacs 26.1 on cygwin on windows 10, and the windows 10 
> magnifier does the job of tracking the cursor.
> 
> I am considering switching to gnome on linux and therefore installed the 
> fedora (version 29) distribution to try it out. The gnome (3.30) shell 
> magnifier supports cursor tracking and it works in other applications 
> but not emacs (26.1).
> 
> I previously sent this message to the gnome accessibility list (that was 
> a long time ago in 2015, so with earlier versions of emacs and gnome) 
> and got a reply from Alex Arnaud stating:
> 
>  > I've tried to test Emacs with Accercicer (a accessibility debug tool) 
> and my conclusion are Emacs doesn't connect it to AT-SPI (accessibility 
> stack).

The Windows port of Emacs has special code to move the system caret in
sync with the cursor.  I guess the X build should have something
similar, patches are welcome to implement that.




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Hello,

Due to a visual impairment I constantly work with a screen magnifier=20
turned on (in full screen mode), and I need it to track the cursor/caret=20
to follow what I am typing.

So far I am using emacs 26.1 on cygwin on windows 10, and the windows 10=20
magnifier does the job of tracking the cursor.

I am considering switching to gnome on linux and therefore installed the=20
fedora (version 29) distribution to try it out. The gnome (3.30) shell=20
magnifier supports cursor tracking and it works in other applications=20
but not emacs (26.1).

I previously sent this message to the gnome accessibility list (that was=20
a long time ago in 2015, so with earlier versions of emacs and gnome)=20
and got a reply from Alex Arnaud stating:

 > I've tried to test Emacs with Accercicer (a accessibility debug tool)=20
and my conclusion are Emacs doesn't connect it to AT-SPI (accessibility=20
stack).

I then wrote to the emacs-devel mailing list 2 months ago and Stefan=20
Monnier suggested that I open a bug.

A simple recipe to reproduce the issue is:
- Turn on gnome magnifier from Settings > Universal access,
- Launch emacs
- Start typing in the scratch buffer
As you type, the magnified area would be expected to move to follow the=20
cursor, but it does not and at some point the cursor leaves the=20
magnified area so you do not see what you are typing anymore.

Please let me know if any further information is needed.

Best regards,

Eric

In GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.23.2)
  of 2018-08-13 built on buildvm-13.phx2.fedoraproject.org
Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.12001000
Recent messages:
Loading=20
/usr/share/emacs/site-lisp/site-start.d/desktop-entry-mode-init.el=20
(source)...done
For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a.
GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.23.2)=20
of 2018-08-13
You can run the command =E2=80=98emacs-version=E2=80=99 with M-x em-v RET
GNU Emacs 26.1 (build 1, x86_64-redhat-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.23.2)=20
of 2018-08-13

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Acknowledgement sent to Eric Danan <eric.danan@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
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