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26.2; Feature request: add clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame to C-x 5 c

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Message #5 received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: "Kocken, I.J. (Ilja)" <I.J.Kocken <at> uu.nl>
To: "bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org" <bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org>
Subject: 26.2; Feature request: add clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame to C-x 5
 c
Date: Sat, 27 Apr 2019 23:50:20 +0000

Not so much a bug, as a feature request. But upon reading that the very
useful C-x 4 c is bound to `clone-indirect-buffer-other-window`[1] on
reddit [2], and that the C-x 5 prefix is usually linked to frame related
commands, I was hoping to see that C-x 5 c would create an indirect
buffer copy in a new frame (since I rely on frames-only-mode and my
winowmanager sway for moving between frames). I was sad to see this
didn't exist yet, but glad that by looking at the source code I could
whip a working function up very quickly:

(defun clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame (newname display-flag &optional norecord)
  "Like `clone-indirect-buffer' but display in another frame."
  (interactive
   (progn
     (if (get major-mode 'no-clone-indirect)
	 (error "Cannot indirectly clone a buffer in %s mode" mode-name))
     (list (if current-prefix-arg
	       (read-buffer "Name of indirect buffer: " (current-buffer)))
	   t)))
  (let ((pop-up-frames t))
    (clone-indirect-buffer newname display-flag norecord)))

I think adding this to emacs, bound to C-x 5 c, would create a
more consistent interface. I hope you agree!

Kind regards,

Ilja (japhir)

[1]: http://mbork.pl/2015-07-04_C-x_4_bindings
[2]: https://www.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/bhsa1q/inscrutability_of_cx_4_and_cx_5/


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Message #8 received at 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: "Kocken\, I.J. \(Ilja\)" <I.J.Kocken <at> uu.nl>
Cc: 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35466: 26.2;
 Feature request: add clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame to C-x 5 c
Date: Wed, 29 May 2019 00:41:23 +0300

> Not so much a bug, as a feature request. But upon reading that the very
> useful C-x 4 c is bound to `clone-indirect-buffer-other-window`[1] on
> reddit [2], and that the C-x 5 prefix is usually linked to frame related
> commands, I was hoping to see that C-x 5 c would create an indirect
> buffer copy in a new frame (since I rely on frames-only-mode and my
> winowmanager sway for moving between frames). I was sad to see this
> didn't exist yet, but glad that by looking at the source code I could
> whip a working function up very quickly:
>
> (defun clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame (newname display-flag &optional norecord)
>   "Like `clone-indirect-buffer' but display in another frame."
>   (interactive
>    (progn
>      (if (get major-mode 'no-clone-indirect)
> 	 (error "Cannot indirectly clone a buffer in %s mode" mode-name))
>      (list (if current-prefix-arg
> 	       (read-buffer "Name of indirect buffer: " (current-buffer)))
> 	   t)))
>   (let ((pop-up-frames t))
>     (clone-indirect-buffer newname display-flag norecord)))
>
> I think adding this to emacs, bound to C-x 5 c, would create a
> more consistent interface. I hope you agree!

The only problem with this binding is that bug#34715 proposed
to use the same binding C-x 5 c for clone-frame.

Message #11 received at 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: "Kocken, I.J. \(Ilja\)" <I.J.Kocken <at> uu.nl>, 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35466: 26.2; Feature request: add
 clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame to C-x 5 c
Date: Mon, 01 Feb 2021 10:46:12 +0100

Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

> The only problem with this binding is that bug#34715 proposed
> to use the same binding C-x 5 c for clone-frame.

That hasn't happened...  but I'm not quite sure that this would be
generally useful.  That is, adding -other-buffer and -other-frame
variations to a bunch of commands doesn't seem like a good long-term
design solution -- solving this instead through `display-buffer-alist'
etc seems more scalable.

So I'm closing this as a "wontfix".

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #18 received at 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Ilja Kocken <i.j.kocken <at> uu.nl>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 35466 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Subject: Re: bug#35466: 26.2; Feature request: add
 clone-indirect-buffer-other-frame to C-x 5 c
Date: Tue, 02 Feb 2021 18:32:12 +0100

Thanks, sounds good to me! I've stopped using this functionality 
myself and have moved back from frames-only-mode to using plain 
emacs windows again :).

Kind regards,

Ilja

Lars Ingebrigtsen writes:

> Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:
>
>> The only problem with this binding is that bug#34715 proposed
>> to use the same binding C-x 5 c for clone-frame.
>
> That hasn't happened...  but I'm not quite sure that this would 
> be
> generally useful.  That is, adding -other-buffer and 
> -other-frame
> variations to a bunch of commands doesn't seem like a good 
> long-term
> design solution -- solving this instead through 
> `display-buffer-alist'
> etc seems more scalable.
>
> So I'm closing this as a "wontfix".


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