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GRUB=E2=80=99s boot menu displays a menuentry for booting the current
generation and a submenu with entries for previous generations.
However, it is not clear if the generation at the top of the submenu
is the current generation or if it is one generation before.

I would prefer to resolve this by displaying the current generation=E2=80=
=99s
generation number and date outside the submenu as is done for the
previous generations in the submenu.

Regards,
Florian

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Florian,

pelzflorian (Florian Pelz) wrote:
> GRUB=E2=80=99s boot menu displays a menuentry for booting the current
> generation and a submenu with entries for previous generations.
> However, it is not clear if the generation at the top of the=20
> submenu
> is the current generation or if it is one generation before.

The current generation is by definition not a previous one and=20
shouldn't appear in the =E2=80=98previous=E2=80=99 list, but I see how it c=
ould be=20
confusing.  Especially once possible language barriers and=20
translations are added to the mix.

> I would prefer to resolve this by displaying the current=20
> generation=E2=80=99s
> generation number and date outside the submenu as is done for=20
> the
> previous generations in the submenu.

It makes for an uglier boot menu, which sounds silly, but I've=20
noticed that the more numbers and symbols are on a screen, the=20
more likely =E2=80=98non-geeks=E2=80=99 are to ignore the whole thing as so=
mething=20
not meant for them to understand.  Especially a black one :-)  I=20
see it as part of GNU's values to counter that attitude.

How about changing =E2=80=98previous generations=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98all g=
enerations=E2=80=99,=20
and have it include the current generation at the top (now with #=20
and date, maybe =E2=80=98(current)=E2=80=99 appended)?

That way we can keep the default nice and friendly and skimmable=20
in ~5s, and the overview is actually a complete overview.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
> How about changing =E2=80=98previous generations=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98all=
 generations=E2=80=99,=20
> and
> have it include the current generation at the top (now with #=20
> and
> date, maybe =E2=80=98(current)=E2=80=99 appended)?
>
> That way we can keep the default nice and friendly and skimmable=20
> in
> ~5s, and the overview is actually a complete overview.

I'd like to give this patch a try, by the way, if it's considered=20
acceptable.  Good excuse to dive into Guix's grub code a tiny bit.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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On Mon, May 06, 2019 at 08:52:26PM +0200, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
> How about changing ‘previous generations’ to ‘all generations’, and have it
> include the current generation at the top (now with # and date, maybe
> ‘(current)’ appended)?
> 
> That way we can keep the default nice and friendly and skimmable in ~5s, and
> the overview is actually a complete overview.
> 

I agree.  Your suggestion is better.

Regards,
Florian

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Hello,

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> skribis:

> How about changing =E2=80=98previous generations=E2=80=99 to =E2=80=98all=
 generations=E2=80=99, and
> have it include the current generation at the top (now with # and
> date, maybe =E2=80=98(current)=E2=80=99 appended)?

Yes, I=E2=80=99m fine either way (I found that =E2=80=9Cprevious generation=
s=E2=80=9D was clear
enough, but apparently it isn=E2=80=99t all that clear).

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.

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On 2019-05-06 20:52, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
...

> How about changing ‘previous generations’ to ‘all generations’, and have 
> it include the current generation at the top (now with # and date, maybe 
> ‘(current)’ appended)?
> 
> That way we can keep the default nice and friendly and skimmable in ~5s, 
> and the overview is actually a complete overview.

Sounds like a good idea to me.

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