GNU bug report logs - #36085
find-dired could handle/avoid octal escapes printed by GNU find -ls for non-ASCII filenames

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Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Nikita <grindeg@HIDDEN>; merged with #41488; dated Tue, 4 Jun 2019 04:12:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Removed tag(s) notabug. Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Merged 36085 41488. Request was from Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' Request was from Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.
Changed bug title to 'find-dired could handle/avoid octal escapes printed by GNU find -ls for non-ASCII filenames' from '26.2; find-dired octal escapes instead of Cyrillic text' Request was from Noam Postavsky <npostavs@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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> From: Tomas Nordin <tomasn@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 36085 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 09 Jun 2019 14:34:45 +0200
> 
> Here on 27.0.50 the customize option for `find-ls-option` says
> 
>     For example, to use human-readable file sizes with GNU ls:
>        ("-exec ls -ldh {} +" . "-ldh")
> 
> Is it ignorant to suggest to try this as a workaround?

No, it isn't ignorant.  Thanks for mentioning it.  Although invoking
'ls' for each and every file reported by 'find' sounds gross to me,
and is definitely slower.

> > I suggest to report this bug to the GNU Findutils developers.
> 
> Because ls doesn't seem to do this conversion -- inconsistent? :P

Mainly because doing so with non-ASCII characters is highly
inappropriate nowadays.
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> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:39:32 +0200
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> 
> > One other consideration is that for large directory trees the current
> > implementation of find-dired updates the buffer in parallel with
> > 'find' still running, whereas the alternatives will not return until
> > the whole listing has been generated, which might take a long time.
> 
> This concern is definitely valid. I don't know to what extent parallelism is possible in the current thread implementation.

Just a note: the current "parallel" implementation is not really
parallel either: 'find' indeed runs in parallel, but the process
filter functions in Emacs only run when Emacs is idle, so if the user
types very quickly after invoking find-dired, they will not see the
results until they make a break in typing.  And our threads work in
the same manner, at least in principle, so we should be good running
the Lisp implementation in a non-main thread.  Of course, until
someone actually tries that, we won't know whether there are any
obstacles: the devil, as always, is in the details.

> Again, improvements in this respect would have benefits beyond find-dired.

Sure.
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9 juni 2019 kl. 12.57 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>:
>=20
>> Maybe we can trust -print0 to work everywhere (BSD find has it).
>=20
> That's orthogonal, isn't it?  It is only needed to make sure we don't
> get confused by file names with embedded newlines, AFAIU.

Not quite orthogonal as the -ls quoting also takes care of newlines, but =
I have no strong opinion on the matter.

>> It's probably a quaint notion, but I wish Emacs were be able to do =
without the help of external programs for something as basic as listing =
directories.
>=20
> We have such capabilities, see directory-files-and-attributes and
> directory-files-recursively.  We also have find-lisp.el.  I just
> assumed these alternatives will be significantly slower, but maybe
> that's not the case?

You are right, they are slower, but need not be. The directory listing =
functions are slow because they throw away information, leading to lots =
of unnecessary syscalls and, on remote file systems, network roundtrips. =
This is true both on Unix and Windows.

Fixing this is not difficult but the elisp interface design requires =
care, and this goes beyond the scope of this bug. Your suggestions sound =
more realistic in the short term.

> One other consideration is that for large directory trees the current
> implementation of find-dired updates the buffer in parallel with
> 'find' still running, whereas the alternatives will not return until
> the whole listing has been generated, which might take a long time.

This concern is definitely valid. I don't know to what extent =
parallelism is possible in the current thread implementation. Again, =
improvements in this respect would have benefits beyond find-dired.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> From: Nikita <grindeg@HIDDEN>
>> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:43:06 +0500
>>=20
>> When i open dired, go to the needed directory, run "M-x dired-find"
>> "-name "*=D0=9F=D0=BE=D1=80=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=82*" (or anything at al=
l that will give some results)
>> results come back with octal escapes instead of Cyrillic letters.
>> I cannot open pictures that it finds for example.
>
> Turns out the octal escapes are produced by 'find' itself in this
> case.  Try the following command in that directory from the shell
> prompt:
>
>    find . \( -iname "*=D0=9F=D0=BE=D1=80=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=82*" \) -ls
>
> and you will see the same octal escape instead of the Cyrillic
> characters.  The man page for 'find' clearly documents this, under
> "Unusual Filenames":
>
>  Unusual characters are handled differently by various actions, as
>  described below.
>  [...]
>
>    -ls, -fls
> 	 Unusual characters are always escaped.  White space,  backslash,
> 	 and  double  quote characters are printed using C-style escaping
> 	 (for example `\f', `\"').  Other unusual characters are  printed
> 	 using  an octal escape.  Other printable characters (for -ls and
> 	 -fls these are the characters between octal 041  and  0176)  are
> 	 printed as-is.
>
> What this means is that any non-ASCII character will be converted to a
> series of octal escapes.  IMO, this is a terrible misfeature in GNU
> Findutils, as such "handling" of non-ASCII characters has no place in
> today's global environment.

Here on 27.0.50 the customize option for `find-ls-option` says

    For example, to use human-readable file sizes with GNU ls:
       ("-exec ls -ldh {} +" . "-ldh")

Is it ignorant to suggest to try this as a workaround? It "worked" here.
Thanks for this bug anyway because i have had the same issue sometimes
and I will continue use this option and see if it makes any problems.

>
> I suggest to report this bug to the GNU Findutils developers.

Because ls doesn't seem to do this conversion -- inconsistent? :P

Best regards
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> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 11:08:51 +0200
> Cc: grindeg@HIDDEN, 36085 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> > Here's an idea for making this command work with non-ASCII file names:
> > do NOT add "-ls" to the 'find' command line, then in the process
> > filter function call file-attributes on each file name we receive from
> > 'find', and format the result according to Dired convention before
> > inserting it into the buffer.
> 
> Maybe we can trust -print0 to work everywhere (BSD find has it).

That's orthogonal, isn't it?  It is only needed to make sure we don't
get confused by file names with embedded newlines, AFAIU.

> It's probably a quaint notion, but I wish Emacs were be able to do without the help of external programs for something as basic as listing directories.

We have such capabilities, see directory-files-and-attributes and
directory-files-recursively.  We also have find-lisp.el.  I just
assumed these alternatives will be significantly slower, but maybe
that's not the case?

One other consideration is that for large directory trees the current
implementation of find-dired updates the buffer in parallel with
'find' still running, whereas the alternatives will not return until
the whole listing has been generated, which might take a long time.
But maybe we could run the Lisp implementation in a separate thread,
and get the same effect?
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9 juni 2019 kl. 07.22 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>:
>=20
> Here's an idea for making this command work with non-ASCII file names:
> do NOT add "-ls" to the 'find' command line, then in the process
> filter function call file-attributes on each file name we receive from
> 'find', and format the result according to Dired convention before
> inserting it into the buffer.

Maybe we can trust -print0 to work everywhere (BSD find has it).

It's probably a quaint notion, but I wish Emacs were be able to do =
without the help of external programs for something as basic as listing =
directories.
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> Date: Sat, 08 Jun 2019 18:34:48 +0300
> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
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> 
> Indeed, the hard part is to distinguish between \nnn an octal escape
> and the literal string "\nnn".  That difficulty is one reason why
> gdb-mi.el performs a similar decoding only as an opt-in optional
> behavior.

Here's an idea for making this command work with non-ASCII file names:
do NOT add "-ls" to the 'find' command line, then in the process
filter function call file-attributes on each file name we receive from
'find', and format the result according to Dired convention before
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Any takers?
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> From: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 17:14:11 +0200
> 
> Eli wrote:
> 
> > P.S. Emacs could perhaps go above and beyond the call of duty, and attempt to convert the octal escapes back to readable text. But I don't think we should do it, as it's a clear bug in 'find'. Nonetheless, if someone wants to submit patches to do such a conversion, I won't block them. 
> 
> The default (BSD) find in macOS does not seem to escape anything; files named Портрет or APL\360 are printed exactly that way. Thus, Emacs would need to know what 'find' it is running. This appears to validate your recommendation.

Indeed, the hard part is to distinguish between \nnn an octal escape
and the literal string "\nnn".  That difficulty is one reason why
gdb-mi.el performs a similar decoding only as an opt-in optional
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Eli wrote:

> P.S. Emacs could perhaps go above and beyond the call of duty, and =
attempt to convert the octal escapes back to readable text. But I don't =
think we should do it, as it's a clear bug in 'find'. Nonetheless, if =
someone wants to submit patches to do such a conversion, I won't block =
them.=20

The default (BSD) find in macOS does not seem to escape anything; files =
named =D0=9F=D0=BE=D1=80=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=82 or APL\360 are printed =
exactly that way. Thus, Emacs would need to know what 'find' it is =
running. This appears to validate your recommendation.
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> From: Nikita <grindeg@HIDDEN>
> Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 08:43:06 +0500
> 
> When i open dired, go to the needed directory, run "M-x dired-find"
> "-name "*Портрет*" (or anything at all that will give some results)
> results come back with octal escapes instead of Cyrillic letters.
> I cannot open pictures that it finds for example.

Turns out the octal escapes are produced by 'find' itself in this
case.  Try the following command in that directory from the shell
prompt:

   find . \( -iname "*Портрет*" \) -ls

and you will see the same octal escape instead of the Cyrillic
characters.  The man page for 'find' clearly documents this, under
"Unusual Filenames":

 Unusual characters are handled differently by various actions, as
 described below.
 [...]

   -ls, -fls
	 Unusual characters are always escaped.  White space,  backslash,
	 and  double  quote characters are printed using C-style escaping
	 (for example `\f', `\"').  Other unusual characters are  printed
	 using  an octal escape.  Other printable characters (for -ls and
	 -fls these are the characters between octal 041  and  0176)  are
	 printed as-is.

What this means is that any non-ASCII character will be converted to a
series of octal escapes.  IMO, this is a terrible misfeature in GNU
Findutils, as such "handling" of non-ASCII characters has no place in
today's global environment.

I suggest to report this bug to the GNU Findutils developers.

Thanks.

P.S. Emacs could perhaps go above and beyond the call of duty, and
attempt to convert the octal escapes back to readable text.  But I
don't think we should do it, as it's a clear bug in 'find'.
Nonetheless, if someone wants to submit patches to do such a
conversion, I won't block them.
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 Content preview:  Some screenshots I open dired, go to the needed directory,
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<div><p>Some screenshots</p><p>I open dired, go to the needed directory, run "M-x dired-find" "-name "*Портрет*"</p><p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/FThZxim.png">https://i.imgur.com/FThZxim.png</a></p><p>When i open file it's not showing as image</p><p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/cmYo07G.png">https://i.imgur.com/cmYo07G.png</a></p><p>"dired-jump" works though</p><p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/vXpCH7y.png">https://i.imgur.com/vXpCH7y.png</a></p><p>This is when i go to that image manually</p><p><a href="https://i.imgur.com/FpMzADt.png">https://i.imgur.com/FpMzADt.png</a></p></div><div> </div>
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When i open dired, go to the needed directory, run "M-x dired-find"
"-name "*=D0=9F=D0=BE=D1=80=D1=82=D1=80=D0=B5=D1=82*" (or anything at all=
 that will give some results)
results come back with octal escapes instead of Cyrillic letters.
I cannot open pictures that it finds for example.

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