Received: (at 36161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Jun 2019 09:20:29 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jun 19 05:20:29 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46020 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1hdWlY-00039w-Ox for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 05:20:29 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.17.22]:38449) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rudalics@HIDDEN>) id 1hdWlW-00039h-8h for 36161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 05:20:26 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1560936020; bh=89gqdoOoReJoEIqfzWnXLS8Hq2w2CO1euaePsk8oFt0=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:Subject:To:References:From:Date:In-Reply-To; b=UNgJa8dQZTYmPlRt8dvimDvnjb+2QhfoMgQ1PoRUcaA/lNq/CzLXHSP8fZeQjM4Fz NF1Hcxhdrzpo71n7RB/U9K2O3G9as2YJAphS3ms9Nah3XteKeDlNwhrjSaMlKHXY43 JIvMZpwG/zErUk9FQdJvpQ5ECwfjp09GTPJ8TMLQ= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from [192.168.1.101] ([212.95.5.75]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx105 [212.227.17.168]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MTRQq-1i2i0C36tQ-00Tmhf; Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:15:12 +0200 Subject: Re: bug#36161: 27.0.50; display-buffer-in-previous-window might choose not to use PREVIOUS-WINDOW To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>, 36161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org References: <4f4fc867-7b6c-161f-68e9-6f5516e8b580@HIDDEN> <78fc4891-dffb-e828-baca-118a5a300c9a@HIDDEN> <1f4197c2-05b0-7ab6-41be-605eaf918200@HIDDEN> <d022ee9f-3038-c53a-120f-1efd44bbd3e9@HIDDEN> <3415bbc7-54fd-111e-a18b-0a927d93a7b2@HIDDEN> <e909627d-1c11-0ad4-c3b9-dc5918ea4182@HIDDEN> <1bf87542-fc41-98ab-c4b4-3dd0074573c1@HIDDEN> <85473004-8bbb-56ef-967e-0d3f8acf79ae@HIDDEN> <3bf7a2d5-128e-724b-694e-908366915d3f@HIDDEN> From: martin rudalics <rudalics@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <45889b62-ccc6-c9ae-bb56-68124973dc0e@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 11:15:13 +0200 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <3bf7a2d5-128e-724b-694e-908366915d3f@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: de-DE Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:r8KOuu9uWHWKlQA/OI/bqAY1HweAxvsW4odTuVxpDJVxdX4IHbk forFhVb+4YkrrDjY4DEkVL5pIjk6GJI/ICC55i37m2/15g54+jkWzJhSRG5vciPtjHUinBC sIJ6QDFO9fEh7zfU8WwYZIIfzVb3Z3JnTKyk6j0hLQOx1MeTOx1/rBL6/+uE118vZXFceyh ufghacKpsxd7yhOCJjUIw== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:PiljjFoaP3w=:CDYzeL7zBFyAjiPk4E2x7N bf1eIOhzUEvQ0X353hVdoYkP25pXcWZWssn/SfmHQy78+VBdkghPz57zIdpGrBrsPoAmAJTvt dnTbGHVlNCQawq7R55bUk+Bh7bfyaRUwn5eC0iVfAjbJN/swmdYP9rq/j7yiE6HFBFSJNLTp1 FeA46fJQ/FaOH0iJpuyb8o4BzKK5zVUiItFQC/C+CuUc9g9OTT2r0JXmOCn3QvVukSMp/aJ2q MkO6iILbVpEQfICAOvWkJgCtMASzK7gHWoKBRNGQfzdrT3nwAOhIjYxMRxtzEPKG0oM1HgaBN 6h77suRqk8NqLOp/gejXEtngHqItK+mAY18u+96HJ3p0qL/Inw5uyOaZ3gBWnTuTT2xHWbCzc T/vGqIebKnluaCGRSg/7aMEaHsVzGQ3L+miRAO0DeDk1nhsqchWKQmfpKYne55gTm6L1W1f/2 BKCJsacRQILbC5E/7uZDigApnC8jRbfDby5tpBo+nbFdecbw8/Y8EGgE+GzJY7eq/lmzMRf/3 NlzQC19zYjsnEL+xJ5R5viMNqIcY/zh2dVuqoPshuJyJ0N9wSqmFO8U6KMOKq/k+xph9Xl9Tn VT1z4L9WftWdAWiweGLqXKyeR8bknXM52FeuhB0bAQzx7HpGWtJR5WJ9Rb+8Niocb19ru4LYh 8DZG0ECCOrNLOoRy7n/3VdoiejmouDPXZzf64pSRq4NEJe12TqFlJfmcPAC675+l+owX4R1Vu LHrNafZZq/MpOuaqSQHYc2dGU1oY91qicVTA2Z9vE7S6S3nvlrQJ8hDO+YWG6S7GiVuyPaLuV PKKbFSH5C/khkR2l+rfZdAB362LpTP9A0vRyF32iVy8jIIkHHN81DE2IsbYF89EjC2ixL3AcS oNBayPmTwQ+LFohdxHiihEjaVAiep7Cg1IZKAH4pa5F1wYtHSy3j9CHC0gl4Mvmtg6fuVW46d EW83oH+N8xnKBTpiBZcPF+nDLj7cpPPkq/voKm/7d6GPis1Aw4bO/ X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 36161 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > OK, let's try again. The recipe is: > > 1. emacs -Q > 2. Split the frame into 4 windows, so that new display-buffer calls don't pop any new windows. > 3. Select the top-left window (for instance). > 4. Call M-x project-find-regexp, input "Xref", press RET. The result is an *xref* buffer shown in one of the windows. > 5. Press q. > 6. Try 4. again. > 7. Repeat 5,6 as many times as you like. The *xref* buffer will be displayed in all three available windows in turn. Sorry, step 4 does not work here so I cannot try that. The behavior you see might be caused by the rotation of windows in 'window-list-1'. But also some other buffer display action might be responsible. So the first question is whether you are sure that the window is produced by 'display-buffer-in-previous-window' in all these cases. >> > So about that main use case (the Debugger), can it just exclude the selected window using inhibit-same-window? That would obviate the need for special logic in this case. >> >> An 'inhibit-same-window' entry is the canonical way to "exclude" the >> selected window. A 'previous-window' entry is just a hint to "prefer" >> some other window. > > I'm not sure if you're trying to say "no" in response to my question. But if so, I suppose this bug report can be closed (and we can conclude that this function is definitely not suitable for xref). Thanks for updating the docstring. I've been trying to say "yes" to the question "can it just exclude the selected window using inhibit-same-window". martin
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So I'd > need a recipe to tell you more about this ... OK, let's try again. The recipe is: 1. emacs -Q 2. Split the frame into 4 windows, so that new display-buffer calls don't pop any new windows. 3. Select the top-left window (for instance). 4. Call M-x project-find-regexp, input "Xref", press RET. The result is an *xref* buffer shown in one of the windows. 5. Press q. 6. Try 4. again. 7. Repeat 5,6 as many times as you like. The *xref* buffer will be displayed in all three available windows in turn. > > So about that main use case (the Debugger), can it just exclude the > selected window using inhibit-same-window? That would obviate the need > for special logic in this case. > > An 'inhibit-same-window' entry is the canonical way to "exclude" the > selected window. A 'previous-window' entry is just a hint to "prefer" > some other window. I'm not sure if you're trying to say "no" in response to my question. But if so, I suppose this bug report can be closed (and we can conclude that this function is definitely not suitable for xref). Thanks for updating the docstring.
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When a different window gets used there's usually a reason. So I'd need a recipe to tell you more about this ... > So about that main use case (the Debugger), can it just exclude the selected window using inhibit-same-window? That would obviate the need for special logic in this case. An 'inhibit-same-window' entry is the canonical way to "exclude" the selected window. A 'previous-window' entry is just a hint to "prefer" some other window. martin
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I have also noticed it's not always good for special buffers either, e.g. if I run xref-find-definitions, press q, and run it again, different windows will be used for the two times. > A 'previous-window' ALIST entry should continue to support the > principle of least surprise by allowing to choose a non-selected > window that never showed the buffer before. The selected window, > however, should be always either chosen or excluded from choice by > special means - either via 'display-buffer-same-window' or using an > 'inhibit-same-window' entry. So about that main use case (the Debugger), can it just exclude the selected window using inhibit-same-window? That would obviate the need for special logic in this case.
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Suppose a user used switch-to-buffer sometime in the past to show it there? > > I think the question is, if the caller supplies the `previous-window' cons in ALIST, is there a point in second-guessing its choice? > > FWIW, I've only found one user of this function that does that, and it's `debug'. Which behavior do you think that command would prefer? 'display-buffer-in-previous-window' was added to fix a problem with the debugger buffer (Bug#8789). The idea behind it is that once a buffer was shown in a specific window and that window still exists, it would support the principle of least surprise to show it there again. And to _not_ have this function do anything when a window showing that buffer was just ephemeral and got deleted in between. In that latter case a more deterministic function (like below-selected, at-bottom) should take over. 'display-buffer-in-previous-window' will work well if it is exclusively used for showing a buffer a second time (maybe together with 'prev-buffer' and 'next-buffer'). It's behavior deteriorates as soon as a user switches to that buffer in some arbitrary fashion. Hence it's more suitable for buffers popping up in special occasions (like, for example, when a bug occurred and the debugger should be entered) and less suitable for buffer editing. A 'previous-window' ALIST entry should continue to support the principle of least surprise by allowing to choose a non-selected window that never showed the buffer before. The selected window, however, should be always either chosen or excluded from choice by special means - either via 'display-buffer-same-window' or using an 'inhibit-same-window' entry. martin
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"may > override" doesn't really tell us what the function is going to do. > > OK. This time I tried to tell everything I know. Please have a look. It's much better now, thanks. And the wording of "is usable for" is somehow more obvious to me (even though the information is the same). > I would have to understand first why one and the same buffer was > displayed in different windows previously. Not sure what answer you're looking for. Suppose a user used switch-to-buffer sometime in the past to show it there? I think the question is, if the caller supplies the `previous-window' cons in ALIST, is there a point in second-guessing its choice? FWIW, I've only found one user of this function that does that, and it's `debug'. Which behavior do you think that command would prefer?
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When PREVIOUS-WINDOW and the selected > > window are the same, it can select a different window, contrary to its > > description. > > Right. I amended doc-string and info entry accordingly. FWIW, emacs-26 was pretty far from my mind when I filed this. But now I realize that we should avoid using this function in xref either way in case we decide to distribute it on ELPA as a core package for older Emacsen. So thanks. > We can also change the semantics of this function to fit the old > doc-string but I'd prefer to not do that on the release branch. Do you know of any reasons not to do that? If only to make this function shorter and easier to understand, that would be a good thing. TBH, the new docstring seems a lot more confusing to me. "may override" doesn't really tell us what the function is going to do.
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When PREVIOUS-WINDOW and the selected window are the same, it can select a different window, contrary to its description. Which is a problem for xref--show-pos-in-buf, like I've mentioned in https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=33992#52. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 58, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.22.30) of 2019-06-10 built on zappa Repository revision: 0f67be92592ef82d971d004f4063e68682c123de Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12001000 System Description: Ubuntu 18.04.2 LTS
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