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Hello! I was not able to install Guix having 2 partitions:=0A/dev/sda1 ex=
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Hi,

which grub is that? grub-efi?

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Znavko,

znavko@HIDDEN wrote:
> bug#36262: cannot install bootloader to root partition

Installing GRUB to your root partition isn't supported, and should=20
never be necessary anyway.

> Hello! I was not able to install Guix having 2 partitions:
> /dev/sda1 ext4 Linux filesystem
> /dev/sda2 Linux Swap

This is a strange partition layout; it's missing a =E2=80=98BIOS boot=20
partition=E2=80=99 and can never work without forcing GRUB to do something=
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it doesn't like to do.

Did you create this layout manually?  If so, why?

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T G-R

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Danny,

Danny Milosavljevic wrote:
> which grub is that? grub-efi?

i386-pc, so =E2=80=98BIOS=E2=80=99 (which means it's trying to use blocklis=
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which is fragile & won't work without --force).

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I have another laptop (Lenovo G50-30) where Guix works on this partition =
layout I've made manually:=0A=0A# fdisk -l /dev/sda=0A...=0ADevice     Bo=
ot     Start       End   Sectors   Size Id Type=0A/dev/sda1            20=
48 230000000 229997953 109.7G 83 Linux=0A/dev/sda2       230000640 234441=
647   4441008   2.1G 82 Linux swap / Solaris=0A=0A=0ABut all the new inst=
allations on other two notebooks with the same layout do not work.=0A=0A=
=0AJune 17, 2019 5:07 PM, "Tobias Geerinckx-Rice" <me@HIDDEN> wrote:=
=0A=0A> Znavko,=0A> =0A> znavko@HIDDEN wrote:=0A> =0A>> bug#36262: c=
annot install bootloader to root partition=0A> =0A> Installing GRUB to yo=
ur root partition isn't supported, and should=0A> never be necessary anyw=
ay.=0A> =0A>> Hello! I was not able to install Guix having 2 partitions:=
=0A>> /dev/sda1 ext4 Linux filesystem=0A>> /dev/sda2 Linux Swap=0A> =0A> =
This is a strange partition layout; it's missing a =E2=80=98BIOS boot=0A>=
 partition=E2=80=99 and can never work without forcing GRUB to do somethi=
ng=0A> it doesn't like to do.=0A> =0A> Did you create this layout manuall=
y? If so, why?=0A> =0A> Kind regards,=0A> =0A> T G-R

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Yes, I use Bios grub everywhere.=0A=0AJune 17, 2019 5:10 PM, "Tobias Geer=
inckx-Rice" <me@HIDDEN> wrote:=0A=0A> Danny,=0A> =0A> Danny Milosavlje=
vic wrote:=0A> =0A>> which grub is that? grub-efi?=0A> =0A> i386-pc, so =
=E2=80=98BIOS=E2=80=99 (which means it's trying to use blocklists,=0A> wh=
ich is fragile & won't work without --force).=0A> =0A> Kind regards,=0A> =
=0A> T G-R

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Hi Tobias,

Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> writes:

> znavko@HIDDEN wrote:
>> bug#36262: cannot install bootloader to root partition
>
> Installing GRUB to your root partition isn't supported, and should
> never be necessary anyway.
>
>> Hello! I was not able to install Guix having 2 partitions:
>> /dev/sda1 ext4 Linux filesystem
>> /dev/sda2 Linux Swap
>
> This is a strange partition layout; it's missing a =E2=80=98BIOS boot
> partition=E2=80=99 and can never work without forcing GRUB to do somethin=
g it
> doesn't like to do.
>
> Did you create this layout manually?  If so, why?

FWIW, I used this partition layout for years, including on Guix systems,
and it worked fine.  Long ago, bootloaders were only able to access the
first 8 GB or so of the disk, because of limitations in the old INT 13h
BIOS interface.  Maybe this is still an issue on some ancient machines,
but I tend to use older hardware (my best laptop is ~11 years old, and
that's typical for me) and I've not had this issue in recent memory.

The only reason I started using a separate boot partition again is
because I now encrypt my root partition.

      Mark

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Znavko,

znavko@HIDDEN wrote:
> I have another laptop (Lenovo G50-30) where Guix works on this=20
> partition layout I've made manually:
>
> # fdisk -l /dev/sda
> ...

^ You removed the most important part, please don't do this on=20
help lists.

Still, we can tell that this is an =E2=80=98mbr=E2=80=99 layout:

> Device     Boot     Start       End   Sectors   Size Id Type
> /dev/sda1            2048 230000000 229997953 109.7G 83 Linux
> /dev/sda2       230000640 234441647   4441008   2.1G 82 Linux=20
> swap / Solaris
                                                       ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^=
^^^

> But all the new installations on other two notebooks with the=20
> same layout do not work.

They aren't the same: the one in your screenshot is a completely=20
different =E2=80=98gpt=E2=80=99 layout.

Hence my unanswered question:

> Did you create this layout manually? If so, why?

Although now I suspect there was no reason and that the installer=20
isn't to blame.

So you can either:

=2D throw away your existing layout and create new MBR disklabel.=20
  Your partitioning software will ask you or provide an option=20
  somewhere.  Since modern partitioning software leaves a huge gap=20
  before the first partition, GRUB will nestle cosily into that=20
  first unused ~MiB.

=2D keep it as GPT (it has some minor features MBR doesn't), and=20
  create an additional GPT =E2=80=98BIOS boot partition=E2=80=99 as recomme=
nded=20
  before.  It only needs to be a few 100 KiB, so I use the space=20
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  off =E2=80=98alignment=E2=80=99 in your partitioning software).  This tin=
y=20
  partition is for use by GRUB, and GRUB alone: do not format or=20
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Both options work equally well, but you need to choose.

Kind regards,

T G-R

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Mark H Weaver wrote:
> FWIW, I used this partition layout for years, including on Guix 
> systems,
> and it worked fine.

Impossible, sorry.

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On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 04:33:22AM +0200, Tobias Geerinckx-Rice wrote:
> Although now I suspect there was no reason and that the installer isn't to
> blame.
> 

The graphical installer does not display a warning when not adding a
separate boot partition on GPT (an installer bug?), but installs
everything only to fail at the very end (this is another bug of guix
system?) at bootloader installation.

Regards,
Florian

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Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> writes:

> Mark H Weaver wrote:
>> FWIW, I used this partition layout for years, including on Guix
>> systems,
>> and it worked fine.
>
> Impossible, sorry.

In fact, it _is_ possible, if you use an MBR partition table.  I assumed
that znavko was using MBR, but having now finally looked at the provided
screen image, I see now that they're using GPT.  I agree that in this
case, a BIOS boot partition is required.  I should have looked more
closely before responding, sorry.

     Best,
      Mark

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