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macosx-ns-build doesn't show hourglass when busy

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Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: VanL <van@HIDDEN>; dated Thu, 20 Jun 2019 12:54:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'minor' Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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> On 22 Jun 2019, at 22:56, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> Control-g will always stop whatever Emacs is doing.

Ah. Thanks.




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VanL <van@HIDDEN> writes:

> Is there a way to interrupt dotimes? After 12m:12s it hasn't stopped.

Control-g will always stop whatever Emacs is doing.

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> On 22 Jun 2019, at 22:49, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> But no hourglass pointer?  Then it sounds like the Apple port of Emacs
> doesn't support that?

I have only managed to build and run macosx-ns-build. This one doesn't =
do the hourglass.

Is there a way to interrupt dotimes? After 12m:12s it hasn't stopped.=




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> On 22 Jun 2019, at 22:43, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> wrote:
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> If no hourglass pointer appears, even after you move the mouse, then I
> think the macOS port simply doesn't support this feature.  Did you see
> the hourglass pointer in any other situation in this port?

Perhaps the macosx-ns-build doesn't have it.

I have always seen the hourglass in other ports. 




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VanL <van@HIDDEN> writes:

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> (dotimes (i (expt 2 45))); is still running after 4m:31s...
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> The mouse pointer is followed by highlight in both upper and lower
> panels of gnus as expected.

But no hourglass pointer?  Then it sounds like the Apple port of Emacs
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> On 22 Jun 2019, at 22:29, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote:
>=20
>> ;; C-u C-x C-e in scratch buffer=20
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>>=20
>> No hourglass appears. The summary article panel, at upper half,
>> follows the mouse pointer with highlight between square brackets
>> before nil appears, it seems.
>=20
> Could you try adding a couple of zeroes before evaling again?  Perhaps
> your machine is too fast.  :-)

;; C-u C-x C-e
(dotimes (i (expt 2 45))); is still running after 4m:31s...

The mouse pointer is followed by highlight in both upper and lower =
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> From: VanL <van@HIDDEN>
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> > (dotimes (i 100000000))
> > 
> > ?
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> No hourglass appears. The summary article panel, at upper half, follows the mouse pointer with highlight between square brackets before nil appears, it seems.

If no hourglass pointer appears, even after you move the mouse, then I
think the macOS port simply doesn't support this feature.  Did you see
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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
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> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 14:13:59 +0200
> 
> > Here (on MS-Windows) Emacs displays the hourglass mouse pointer.
> 
> On Debian GNU/Linux, it looks like this doesn't do anything...  but if I
> move the mouse pointer out of the Emacs frame, and then back again, I
> get a spinner.  I guess I never noticed before.  :-/  Or perhaps I don't
> move the mouse pointer a lot.

Yes, the hourglass pointer usually appears if you move the mouse
(here, it's enough to move it slightly, I don't need to move it off
the Emacs frame and back).

> But, anyway, is there anything Gnus could be doing that would disable
> the hourglass when it's doing some prolonged operation?

What exactly is the prolonged operation Emacs does in the described
scenario?  Some of them don't cause this pointer to appear for boring
technical reasons.

I'm also not sure, but the original report seemed to imply that
previous versions of Gnus did display the hourglass?




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VanL <van@HIDDEN> writes:

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> No hourglass appears. The summary article panel, at upper half,
> follows the mouse pointer with highlight between square brackets
> before nil appears, it seems.

Could you try adding a couple of zeroes before evaling again?  Perhaps
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> On 22 Jun 2019, at 21:50, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> wrote:
>=20
> Emacs doesn't display any hourglasses, but I see that you're on an =
Apple
> OS, so that probably does when a program hangs/works a long time?

Native apps on Apple OS display a spinning beachball when they lose =
control of themselves.

The 'Force Quit' panel is how to know the app is unrecoverable and needs =
to be killed or force quited or relaunched.

I just experienced a lengthy delay and the lower half article display =
was missing in blank completely.

> But it doesn't with Emacs?  What happens if you eval
>=20
> (dotimes (i 100000000))
>=20
> ?

;; C-u C-x C-e in scratch buffer=20
(dotimes (i 100000000))nil

No hourglass appears. The summary article panel, at upper half, follows =
the mouse pointer with highlight between square brackets before nil =
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Emacs doesn't display any hourglasses
>
> Emacs displays a special "hourglass" mouse pointer when it does some
> prolonged operation.  By default, we should display that mouse pointer
> after 1 sec of doing something.  See start_hourglass in xdisp.c.
>
>> What happens if you eval
>> 
>> (dotimes (i 100000000))
>
> Here (on MS-Windows) Emacs displays the hourglass mouse pointer.

On Debian GNU/Linux, it looks like this doesn't do anything...  but if I
move the mouse pointer out of the Emacs frame, and then back again, I
get a spinner.  I guess I never noticed before.  :-/  Or perhaps I don't
move the mouse pointer a lot.

But, anyway, is there anything Gnus could be doing that would disable
the hourglass when it's doing some prolonged operation?

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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 13:50:13 +0200
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> 
> VanL <van@HIDDEN> writes:
> 
> > When gnus pauses an hourglass mouse pointer is
> > expected.
> >
> > This version doesn't change the mouse pointer to
> > hourglass icon. There is no visual feedback.
> >
> > I look at the 'Force Quit Applications' panel and
> > know to wait because no problem is indicated
> > there.
> >
> > This has happened two times. The first time I
> > waited long enough and 'Force Quit'.
> 
> Emacs doesn't display any hourglasses

Emacs displays a special "hourglass" mouse pointer when it does some
prolonged operation.  By default, we should display that mouse pointer
after 1 sec of doing something.  See start_hourglass in xdisp.c.


> What happens if you eval
> 
> (dotimes (i 100000000))

Here (on MS-Windows) Emacs displays the hourglass mouse pointer.




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VanL <van@HIDDEN> writes:

> When gnus pauses an hourglass mouse pointer is
> expected.
>
> This version doesn't change the mouse pointer to
> hourglass icon. There is no visual feedback.
>
> I look at the 'Force Quit Applications' panel and
> know to wait because no problem is indicated
> there.
>
> This has happened two times. The first time I
> waited long enough and 'Force Quit'.

Emacs doesn't display any hourglasses, but I see that you're on an Apple
OS, so that probably does when a program hangs/works a long time?

But it doesn't with Emacs?  What happens if you eval

(dotimes (i 100000000))

?

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When gnus pauses an hourglass mouse pointer is
expected.

This version doesn't change the mouse pointer to
hourglass icon. There is no visual feedback.

I look at the 'Force Quit Applications' panel and
know to wait because no problem is indicated
there.

This has happened two times. The first time I
waited long enough and 'Force Quit'.


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data-octicons data-fileicons data-faicons data-alltheicons memoize
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rng-loc rng-uri rng-parse rng-match rng-dt rng-util rng-pttrn nxml-parse
nxml-ns nxml-enc xmltok nxml-util ox-latex ox-icalendar ox-html table
ox-ascii ox-publish ox metaweblog xml-rpc timezone url-http tls gnutls
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mail-prsvr url-cookie url-domsuf url-util url-gw nsm rmc puny xml
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ob-exp org-macro org-footnote org-src ob-comint ob-keys org-pcomplete
pcomplete comint ansi-color ring org-list org-faces org-entities
noutline outline easy-mmode org-version ob-emacs-lisp ob-core ob-eval
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password-cache url-vars seq byte-opt gv bytecomp byte-compile cconv
cl-loaddefs cl-lib time-date tooltip eldoc electric uniquify ediff-hook
vc-hooks lisp-float-type mwheel term/ns-win ns-win ucs-normalize
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tabulated-list replace newcomment text-mode elisp-mode lisp-mode
prog-mode register page menu-bar rfn-eshadow isearch timer select
scroll-bar mouse jit-lock font-lock syntax facemenu font-core
term/tty-colors frame cl-generic cham georgian utf-8-lang misc-lang
vietnamese tibetan thai tai-viet lao korean japanese eucjp-ms cp51932
hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic
chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook
help simple abbrev obarray minibuffer cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs
button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5
base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable
backquote threads dbusbind kqueue cocoa ns lcms2 multi-tty
make-network-process emacs)

Memory information:
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Acknowledgement sent to VanL <van@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#36306; Package emacs. Full text available.
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