Received: (at 37812) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 16:14:26 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 12:14:26 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLrN4-0001pb-BH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:14:26 -0400 Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:60418) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1iLrMz-0001pJ-EH for 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:14:22 -0400 Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9JGDaVJ187380; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:15 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2019-08-05; bh=WK/9VH47Uh3817+iFSY1Y/IoxL5qHbh5lDtDkYE6G7o=; b=B/u1CL7FfDLpFItRMxASx0teJihYR6u4Kf/nAJ+yASJmE5Bl6jV4jdrRMSQJq+NJMPGN EswSAfvd5QK4UeUtSEtRbn5V8wmZxqIIWPKkkSwk62jYhte17teRIg4OcwYu7rR6S8Wa J65GrdevYRotkz+uP9dFT4x3tPFKzCz1MWvMmV4kN2ZmSttFN3ZGeWkQv+WMwGjWrwml JMEx/bnKu/cT+dI3PrLDtrSIKOw03AZ3vhlyLbgdEUKfHXdUIYYK7dGFfOl2d4J8z5cs T+krMDd+sc8fJVGrxuKDDGjbRcdfhQyzuusr5gqw2RW9IacByJtqTBFFzqEfyfNrSaxY rQ== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vqtep9etv-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:15 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.27/8.16.0.27) with SMTP id x9JGDKQm120184; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:14 GMT Received: from aserv0121.oracle.com (aserv0121.oracle.com [141.146.126.235]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 2vqqmhxby4-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:14 +0000 Received: from abhmp0016.oracle.com (abhmp0016.oracle.com [141.146.116.22]) by aserv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id x9JGEB71012377; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:13 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <daddd772-3529-4c35-b889-18c0c8d0cc3e@default> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 16:14:10 +0000 (UTC) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#37812: Update Emacs manual intro with more compelling features References: <CABAiW0oO_EoWv-RRPVbF27fGLjpEJZZeNsVD0pJUmdCQ+LZjNQ@HIDDEN> <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@HIDDEN> <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.4900.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9415 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910190149 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9415 signatures=668684 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 priorityscore=1501 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 clxscore=1011 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0 impostorscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.0.1-1908290000 definitions=main-1910190149 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37812 Cc: 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Nicholas Drozd <nicholasdrozd@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > We could say that Emacs is able to edit remote files like they were > local files. I'm biased, of course :-) +1
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#37812; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 37812) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 13:27:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 09:27:24 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52108 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLolQ-0005hF-5y for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:27:24 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.19]:36315) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>) id 1iLolO-0005gz-HX for 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:27:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1571491632; bh=z8UmUwfBPN7P6qpDSZH+hRd26LbeO1JH14l0x4K39vg=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=Y1KbTEYyQjK19+lO5jkqfJIV2SG0gewiDZlUa7Q8K8lmOyHbH/qq5q2nGw2oO0Qhk 2Vs/bWCd4TyaaemY77/KZyT6k0Dl6xV9xZVvdV7aUgJQSN8Lflmatissul9BQsN95o N1MYHnCrTEoYESIEbsJuJaresCyhcfZ2wR49RFkU= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([213.220.147.37]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1MxUnz-1i6MH320OP-00xs1Q; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:27:12 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#37812: Update Emacs manual intro with more compelling features References: <CABAiW0oO_EoWv-RRPVbF27fGLjpEJZZeNsVD0pJUmdCQ+LZjNQ@HIDDEN> <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@HIDDEN> <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> <83pnit6q0r.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 15:27:09 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83pnit6q0r.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:30:44 +0300") Message-ID: <87h844x3v6.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:Xtlo0XAwDaCaiwocg5rPh8YkQ4fi4OXPa8vxYY3GVlGPK8li5Ic bNnwUgGpSpQxOM0sZJG3x2XmGPmTsNF3xltKrs3gPyWvISHEMNXe1UIUPZbB53SqLgY6eei uf8HNsVJiWDe7lOSra3Q2CQ5wFP3ZwwdywF2pmOhrIGF31TRdSlIXd3Rv55+gHpNYdMAP4T AGCKOdA8x1hyhrkL3crgQ== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:khpbUun/r/I=:nCWkyNEoX2zEHCo7gdJe/P fj2F6lwZxNgiQtrfl1alapZBIJri0LbLMUz2+E3FqjN0n4HlML+zlfPsGfWC2/SF8sZTdGMhY iQh4416z0/DfW+PADWzuqFJ2AZSNt0qN6JKmYWwRnyM8cYvrI71j7zOrP/1+iYVSHxB3OGq1I Bsz6teWfaGdslmfPvYS+2Uc+v97pjG4H/upVYjyJdRcGAbplfyfihj8qi9ZJfygaXifMooizC OCsh7rpjc+Zr+q7dO3i9LS3NvBmfBvkEbD9BMDEA8A8ZNnRpFN1+im+yhtRjMCSmOmyN1a8a2 ia59NvGKg7psPjNr2ct1RKFeCS5e6PY5TI3pW3K/912P3qpz8j337o69QL63NH5ziJG36lHmv wbsWHE5Ivum/eBnHdOobK9nNrI5MIoAjbejyi3keHqF9g07ODkee/KxTJFgr9SQ5z1wuWGiRW Uke+blGAXzckfSiIkpyYJkxGhsAUQmRieKBW+obq51u7BxQErmDD6hNSsd8iVtxGfjK39PQCs eJFKeCBNosocbGpb/EGqUEGBKaPvkOGyif6ENRriuN21yFcjSLKOBpKgRfjy0A9R8sVIVZ9E0 4csEPHctTva6zDHuZFKF0wTTeAVyAtOq/Vb0dM7ck4BwNW0PJ1F2oxHetIBSIt0uP+j/RniKx h4xSwPLByxLsnEaCYsTMlz+z+jhlXghNCF5OLVSrDU8rT6WRROMAZUb1EAc4NIDvwtfd9arBW txWi1a39uNSnvCmI4C2Hw+X3SNac09Cx6YvuPYC0//X/qDcbX1xqjAF+eS81TKI4cGh4VCLi/ JqjDZ8nM8+Vn7RxLRxEC73YSOGgFNryD8jWwY7Mti412TN1ta+MhE7cODeYzCH6IQxXfCkC30 vLAX260S91oK1RJ6p+5R298H7THTTA5qd0xKJ6aiwE1azg7xGLrt4ht3pcY8aDHFYcnTXyFWr GHzzW3ifl6Y0/pDyp/WtInNS2XJo9lxc5CvM4snEgc42OdCYVxV0UiW1ycO9IaBIIJO/hKcBX h4QxOYWEVeuUUAP7ZSMAZQttaXppv3m3aEtLGWzeMcqlfFdegiMtTcDvur5Z/klpIm3Dlv3+B OZLHeZTPcru3HpYHdYqmxwR4H5IxyZ3s55p7ymSzF3hPPqV2MgF4N5clYaTnKo5p6Ritxzw7S GqWrlDe4odtg/T0/GedJZBe+Px7xaqLrJKKYVoLzpu5vHS3lmIJxeOBtWWpi0yInXdcPykVWw CvjvSjRM2gG7CpLQ4WVcl4SD+5qkp2DUv9tP5znV1QghUuWWwUCYXCK24Cdk= X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37812 Cc: 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms@HIDDEN, nicholasdrozd@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> We could say that Emacs is able to edit remote files like they were >> local files. > > That would be indeed a good addition, IMO. Thanks. Done. Best regards, Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#37812; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 37812) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 09:31:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 05:31:13 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51984 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLl4r-00029W-1x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:31:13 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:36343) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iLl4o-00029I-47 for 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:31:12 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:33874) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iLl4i-0002qF-6f; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:31:04 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4076 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iLl4Z-0006aJ-FV; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 05:30:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 12:30:44 +0300 Message-Id: <83pnit6q0r.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Michael Albinus on Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:32 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#37812: Update Emacs manual intro with more compelling features References: <CABAiW0oO_EoWv-RRPVbF27fGLjpEJZZeNsVD0pJUmdCQ+LZjNQ@HIDDEN> <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@HIDDEN> <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37812 Cc: 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, rms@HIDDEN, nicholasdrozd@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> > Cc: Nicholas Drozd <nicholasdrozd@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman > <rms@HIDDEN>, 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:32 +0200 > > We could say that Emacs is able to edit remote files like they were > local files. That would be indeed a good addition, IMO. Thanks.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#37812; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 37812) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Oct 2019 07:47:48 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 19 03:47:48 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51873 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iLjSm-0008BJ-64 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 03:47:48 -0400 Received: from mout.gmx.net ([212.227.15.18]:40265) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>) id 1iLjSj-0008B2-Tf for 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 03:47:46 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=gmx.net; s=badeba3b8450; t=1571471256; bh=SckzXy88968viVYhircp4nwwlMBYCBNfLlQUYh+s6FU=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=ASZNUPaoBtRQGfb18azLltHnD7pr7sVVDnzg51RB/a1Ezo2NMSCuXpszeRaoGsQzc ehWkS0HnQImmd3+LFCrOnqzMeKpfGmSddwT1+s2DdvfskMS0876IY7lnjwyFmXWsjL UqX2csFwieaOWWxMOZ4MxBwOKB3PR3LXbPPL4fcc= X-UI-Sender-Class: 01bb95c1-4bf8-414a-932a-4f6e2808ef9c Received: from detlef.gmx.de ([213.220.147.37]) by mail.gmx.com (mrgmx005 [212.227.17.190]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 1N0XCw-1i9Xh60tWu-00wUZH; Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:36 +0200 From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#37812: Update Emacs manual intro with more compelling features References: <CABAiW0oO_EoWv-RRPVbF27fGLjpEJZZeNsVD0pJUmdCQ+LZjNQ@HIDDEN> <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 19 Oct 2019 09:47:32 +0200 In-Reply-To: <83sgnp6wbq.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sat, 19 Oct 2019 10:14:33 +0300") Message-ID: <875zkl5g8b.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:XSbupPYbD2IhO93D7j3DawmKpGmRV7K+k3qumDAq+LwqeNUUT4i I+bGelpz8aQNGFUmI6kKfoexZWAgB6SehgRnZrmI6AwoRg1ZZDLFw/qAAOhDNOke0onprca qPhtP9mEJl2dn592mbVWSq3PFyIo/H9FeAHAUPVa1VsIzj5SqRZmzDwx6jyhFrfWcTyPwvT NOQoOmASe06eKnbMk0/3A== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:4vR4rmCCfGs=:0ou7fnQur0PBncYpLbGYPl xAhHzG2DF+gYlFw0fI45iAZORk3h0r/gXX4xqVObVH90XYTaBQHzdQjkyBVFR++gO/9O1S85n it0Cvi4UAZAPe/9hgt+8YzCuV8YYnslwD+6P4i7OXIh4VoQqg//cj6rXMcK2QPSnalo24ayG7 pUy2ItYNkODpgvRQu7G+e+DyYJSDqFtmDyiUUdVQmkS2rMFj1RqqBVMfcLIrNcsvwsD4Bx7xm sL1POMlmJavpAusWgOA0zPdA7gEA1co1FU8hpGrvc224e5CN87307PpnjT+uAt91bLa7xpojm DnVEqTfj0B4hT/I0hhU2PwVCvak+IgTaE5Y0EGyti+e0UtNHDDZGsjJgBWyObWNSMV4/feix8 HbRUBwVfngSF2u+ZLEdH7saYhCwxdTyiK/xY7zdN/j+o1mv6oxg7QATCP3agOgYxwplUEolqw uM6y6PxgjYpy3SYckb57RNXsjBwoqcqJWUe9MvJtWAnqw0SLxcAXRX3D9m7UyTFu0ZzMBBJd6 RrU9ZEN76VrTz/JuJZYtiCR31kDBDs0JfeWVMStr1g+Xtmy5SGAl+/XAYtbBl56Qtb7LbQRnL yWzsMukYt1d/lFN+gssAj2x/qNmr5cHlZWBGsRGtTlcS64Njq1DrttL7Tj6gEuC6VmeK/CH4t XdKTdyeeC4fZsDs0f2ZBH7V1FXdDGKMFKCSstcKsjo8h6hsT+ve5pLgCajuzy92i7d8PeksbJ seDJmSPHBlC7KgVzf6uS4ca6BO7E7Zw/QLGz/rm0qQw4kAsin2/geKYm/G3WZD41+LSRHhEuu GBv1eyHaAitMVtNU+TTU8towGM1gf7PTYCOg57+OG8krrX6HB7lZjPDgW1QkYkokTDCbdRKUT Iqd8lkRMivALH3APtlzElVPAEE1IQ285vCbez//0YZhNmFfJ7fhxy0jpuzMbXQm+B5NAPOnLM QghD580escVY3k4PrbAymgnuVW/Y0CcTHt2azDXaTYWmUga3SaYX8rilAJ6ep8KzzJo10nv97 8I9dB1GzyPX36kk/gu5Lk0eS7SbH3KoFjX3D9yF7tT/kN5H1YcCuXtT6GTxKvA2lkScbyJ4k2 qYVhO+42uXSEb4zOyjzkR9nP3Yk1zfowXzcaBDXpsuBzwdEeiKw/fAgNBIiJYoh5SSk8zJfUj 6t1sEhURJouW1W4dwF0JH0S6x2XACFu06WV/gpfNkFU5mpdsf9QdYxV9qAGFlnjds2brDyUsy /nyIR9JDKPVn9sbS8QsPYn9TggppvDvxsMEh+1ak79nIL/fjkXin6lWbP6AY= Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 37812 Cc: 37812 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Nicholas Drozd <nicholasdrozd@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> The introduction to the Emacs manual says, right near the beginning: >> "We call Emacs 'advanced' because it can do much more than simple >> insertion and deletion of text. It can control subprocesses, indent >> programs automatically, show multiple files at once, and more." >> >> This text has been around for a long time*. Maybe it's time for an >> update? Indenting programs automatically and showing multiple files at >> once aren't very compelling features these days. My go-to example of a >> remarkable Emacs-y feature is EWW, so maybe "browse the Web" could be >> added? Or something to do with Org mode? I don't know exactly, but >> listing "shows multiple files" as a feature is like describing someone >> as "punctual" in a reference letter -- it could signal that the person >> has no other important qualities. > > EWW and Org are very high-level Lisp applications, they aren't > examples of basic features of Emacs as an editor. So I'm not sure > they are appropriate in that introductory section. We could say that Emacs is able to edit remote files like they were local files. I'm biased, of course :-) Best regards, Michael.
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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::130 X-Spam-Score: 0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) The introduction to the Emacs manual says, right near the beginning: "We call Emacs 'advanced' because it can do much more than simple insertion and deletion of text. It can control subprocesses, indent programs automatically, show multiple files at once, and more." This text has been around for a long time*. Maybe it's time for an update? Indenting programs automatically and showing multiple files at once aren't very compelling features these days. My go-to example of a remarkable Emacs-y feature is EWW, so maybe "browse the Web" could be added? Or something to do with Org mode? I don't know exactly, but listing "shows multiple files" as a feature is like describing someone as "punctual" in a reference letter -- it could signal that the person has no other important qualities. * How old exactly, I'm not sure. It appears in the 18.59 manual from 1992 (ftp://ftp.gnu.org/old-gnu/emacs/), so I assume it goes back even further than that. The passage underwent a minor facelift in 2006 (commit 350287ef), but besides that it has gone substantially unchanged.
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