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Hi,

When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
can require adding more and more packages to guix install:

$ LANG=3DC guix install gtk+ dbus dbus-c++ dbus-glib glib libsoup rest libn=
otify poppler pcre libffi
The following packages will be upgraded:
   dbus	1.12.12 -> 1.12.16	/gnu/store/nlb24nrrrkn2h9vflnqigcf2hx58rvyx-dbus=
-1.12.16
   dbus-c++	0.9.0 -> 0.9.0	/gnu/store/f67vzh5hp4jd2y34hiz8jdd9wymv1j8x-dbus=
-c++-0.9.0
   dbus-glib	0.108 -> 0.108	/gnu/store/0riy07j7njqf2avcr9n5asrdxapd2np4-dbu=
s-glib-0.108
   glib	2.56.3 -> 2.60.6	/gnu/store/fbnpd7vjifm6ijyij4hi18mnsnf76983-glib-2=
.60.6
   libsoup	2.66.2 -> 2.68.2	/gnu/store/pabg3nkgmxg5cglimz7fklnk4n4dypb1-lib=
soup-2.68.2
   rest	0.8.1 -> 0.8.1	/gnu/store/xpvpfhf93rz4jkvi9pp2p5cvh4jcbv1h-rest-0.8=
.1
   libnotify	0.7.7 -> 0.7.7	/gnu/store/djpm5rvn35aaasfsgh7y3kqis71av5fy-lib=
notify-0.7.7
   poppler	0.72.0 -> 0.79.0	/gnu/store/8xysjsr4nh72m4334vff987x52pxyfmn-pop=
pler-0.79.0
   pcre	8.42 -> 8.43	/gnu/store/5j6w0x3aq0i5r9565w92lrh016vlmv2d-pcre-8.43
   libffi	3.2.1 -> 3.2.1	/gnu/store/ain96mrdwqd4s9shdd3s7m4syp5icdx5-libffi=
-3.2.1

The following package will be installed:
   gtk+	3.24.10	/gnu/store/6x13nr57i1qml20kjl30l7b767cw0d0b-gtk+-3.24.10

guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988=
q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@HIDDEN
guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@HIDDEN
guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz=
73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them =
from the profile.

Since Guix already knows about these requirements, it would be great if
I could tell it to just pull in all additional updates to be able to
install the package. Or at least tell me about all the required upgrades
in one step. Something like

guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries
guix install: error: conflict N: util-linux
guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988=
q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@HIDDEN
guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@HIDDEN
guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz=
73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
guix install: error: conflict N+1: util-linux
guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988=
q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz=
73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
guix install: error:    ... propagated from fontconfig@HIDDEN

hint: Try upgrading removing dbus from the profile or upgrading all
dependent packages with
hint: guix install gtk+ dbus dbus-c++ dbus-glib glib libsoup rest libnotify=
 poppler pcre libffi util-linux  ...

Best wishes,
Arne
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Unpolitisch sein
hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein
ohne es zu merken

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Hi Arne,

Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> writes:
> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:
[...]
> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
> guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
> guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@HIDDEN
> guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@HIDDEN
> guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pnixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of them from the profile.

I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
"guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

      Mark

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Hi Arne & Mark,

Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> writes:
>> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
>> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:
> [...]
>> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
>> guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57x=
988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@HIDDEN
>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@HIDDEN
>> guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pni=
xpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
>> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of th=
em from the profile.
>
> I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
> approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
> "guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
> using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
> time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

Indeed.  Even if you don=E2=80=99t use the declarative approach, usually ju=
st
upgrade everything (=E2=80=9Cguix upgrade=E2=80=9D) and you won=E2=80=99t h=
ave any problems
either.

Problems arise when you try to upgrade only part of the packages.

Now, it doesn=E2=80=99t sound right that =E2=80=98util-linux=E2=80=99 is pr=
opagated from glib
and from poppler=E2=80=A6?

Ludo=E2=80=99.

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Hi Mark and Ludovic,

Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi Arne & Mark,
>
> Mark H Weaver <mhw@HIDDEN> skribis:
>> Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> writes:
>>> When installing a package while some packages are not up to date, guix
>>> can require adding more and more packages to guix install:
>> [...]
>>> guix install: error: profile contains conflicting entries for util-linux
>>> guix install: error:   first entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/xymkwf57=
x988q8cny2is1dgzrbr9xdfi-util-linux-2.34
>>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from glib@HIDDEN
>>> guix install: error:    ... propagated from poppler@HIDDEN
>>> guix install: error:   second entry: util-linux@HIDDEN /gnu/store/8k4pn=
ixpz73kxvxbjqajgbprjjmmgpxy-util-linux-2.32.1
>>> hint: Try upgrading both `poppler' and `util-linux', or remove one of t=
hem from the profile.
>>
>> I just wanted to briefly mention that if you use the "declarative
>> approach" to specifying user profiles, via the --manifest option to
>> "guix package", you will avoid this problem entirely.  I've been happily
>> using that approach for years, and I literally cannot remember the last
>> time I saw a "conflicting entries" message.  I heartily recommend it.

I=E2=80=99m just using guix install when I need a new package and guix remo=
ve
to clean up. Shouldn=E2=80=99t that be equivalent?

> Indeed.  Even if you don=E2=80=99t use the declarative approach, usually =
just
> upgrade everything (=E2=80=9Cguix upgrade=E2=80=9D) and you won=E2=80=99t=
 have any problems
> either.
>
> Problems arise when you try to upgrade only part of the packages.

This problem cuts in when the system is not fully up to date and I use
guix install.

> Now, it doesn=E2=80=99t sound right that =E2=80=98util-linux=E2=80=99 is =
propagated from glib
> and from poppler=E2=80=A6?

Poppler needs glib at runtime and glib needs tools from util-linux at
runtime?

Best wishes,
Arne
=2D-=20
Unpolitisch sein
hei=C3=9Ft politisch sein
ohne es zu merken

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Hello Ludo,

Ludovic Court=C3=A8s <ludo@HIDDEN> writes:


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> Now, it doesn=E2=80=99t sound right that =E2=80=98util-linux=E2=80=99 is =
propagated from glib
> and from poppler=E2=80=A6?

Glib propagates 'util-linux' since it was updated to 2.58.1 (and poppler
propagates glib).  This isn't the first time it's caused trouble [0].
Marius has proposed a patch to fix it, which is intended for
'core-updates' (It hasn't been pushed yet AFAIK).

Regards,

Diego

[0]: http://issues.guix.gnu.org/issue/37732

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Hi,

On Mon, 28 Oct 2019 01:03:48 +0100
Arne Babenhauserheide <arne_bab@HIDDEN> wrote:

> > Now, it doesn=E2=80=99t sound right that =E2=80=98util-linux=E2=80=99 i=
s propagated from glib
> > and from poppler=E2=80=A6? =20
>=20
> Poppler needs glib at runtime and glib needs tools from util-linux at
> runtime?

That doesn't mean glib has to propagate the thing into the profile.

Quite the opposite, Guix is one of the few projects which rightly make the
distinction whether some dependency is an internal implementation detail of
a package or whether it's required in the public interface.

With glib's goal of abstracting stuff from UNIX away I seriously doubt they
intend util-*linux*, of all things, to be part of their public interface.

But you are right that Guix's glib propagates util-linux.  That is most lik=
ely
a bug, or it's because of pkg-config files (which also could be solved anot=
her
way).

Checking glib-2.50.3, none of their pkg-config files (.pc) mention libmount,
so not sure what's going on.

glib-2.60.6 uses meson which apparently doesn't use pkg-config (?).

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