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Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.

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From: Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 18:18:00 +0900

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Hi.

In Elisp manual -> Debugging -> Edebug -> Printing in Edebug, the manual
says

Other programs can also use custom printing; see cust-print.el fo rdetails.

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/edebug.texi#n875

, but cust-print.el is obsolete since emacs-24.3.

Thanks.

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Message #8 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:47:05 +0100

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Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com> writes:

> In Elisp manual -> Debugging -> Edebug -> Printing in Edebug, the manual says
>
> Other programs can also use custom printing; see cust-print.el fo rdetails.
>
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/edebug.texi#n875
>
> , but cust-print.el is obsolete since emacs-24.3.

Thanks for the report.

Perhaps we could simply to remove it like in the attached patch?

Best regards,
Stefan Kangas

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Message #11 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 16:18:00 +0100

Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> writes:

> Perhaps we could simply to remove it like in the attached patch?

I think so -- it makes no sense to have the manual refer to obsolete
libraries.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #14 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 19:43:13 +0200

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:47:05 +0100
> Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> > In Elisp manual -> Debugging -> Edebug -> Printing in Edebug, the manual says
> >
> > Other programs can also use custom printing; see cust-print.el fo rdetails.
> >
> > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/edebug.texi#n875
> >
> > , but cust-print.el is obsolete since emacs-24.3.
> 
> Thanks for the report.
> 
> Perhaps we could simply to remove it like in the attached patch?

We moved cuts-print.el to obsolete/ because its features are supported
by the Lisp printer.  So I'd prefer to modify that sentence to mention
the latter, rather than just remove it.

Btw, this sentence and one earlier mentions "custom printing" without
explaining what that means, AFAICT.  It would be good to fix this
while at that.

Thanks.

Message #17 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 01:16:27 +0900

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Hi.

In files.texi also referes obsolete Fast Lock mode.

http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/files.texi#n490

Thanks.

2019年10月29日(火) 2:43 Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>:

> > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> > Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:47:05 +0100
> > Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > > In Elisp manual -> Debugging -> Edebug -> Printing in Edebug, the
> manual says
> > >
> > > Other programs can also use custom printing; see cust-print.el fo
> rdetails.
> > >
> > >
> http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/edebug.texi#n875
> > >
> > > , but cust-print.el is obsolete since emacs-24.3.
> >
> > Thanks for the report.
> >
> > Perhaps we could simply to remove it like in the attached patch?
>
> We moved cuts-print.el to obsolete/ because its features are supported
> by the Lisp printer.  So I'd prefer to modify that sentence to mention
> the latter, rather than just remove it.
>
> Btw, this sentence and one earlier mentions "custom printing" without
> explaining what that means, AFAICT.  It would be good to fix this
> while at that.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Message #20 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
Cc: stefan <at> marxist.se, 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Sat, 07 Dec 2019 10:32:37 +0200

> From: Takesi Ayanokoji <ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2019 01:16:27 +0900
> Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> In files.texi also referes obsolete Fast Lock mode.

Thanks, I removed that reference.

Message #25 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 00:40:50 +0000

tags 37956 + confirmed
thanks

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
>> Date: Mon, 28 Oct 2019 15:47:05 +0100
>> Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>
>> > In Elisp manual -> Debugging -> Edebug -> Printing in Edebug, the manual says
>> >
>> > Other programs can also use custom printing; see cust-print.el fo rdetails.
>> >
>> > http://git.savannah.gnu.org/cgit/emacs.git/tree/doc/lispref/edebug.texi#n875
>> >
>> > , but cust-print.el is obsolete since emacs-24.3.
>>
>> Thanks for the report.
>>
>> Perhaps we could simply to remove it like in the attached patch?
>
> We moved cuts-print.el to obsolete/ because its features are supported
> by the Lisp printer.  So I'd prefer to modify that sentence to mention
> the latter, rather than just remove it.
>
> Btw, this sentence and one earlier mentions "custom printing" without
> explaining what that means, AFAICT.  It would be good to fix this
> while at that.

(That was 10 months ago, but I never replied back at the time.)

I don't know what the "Lisp printer" is, nor do I know what "custom
printing" is, so I unfortunately can't help with the above.

Help welcome by someone who knows enough about this to make the proposed
additions.

Message #30 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 09:24:44 +0300

> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>
> Date: Sat, 5 Sep 2020 00:40:50 +0000
> Cc: 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com
> 
> > We moved cuts-print.el to obsolete/ because its features are supported
> > by the Lisp printer.  So I'd prefer to modify that sentence to mention
> > the latter, rather than just remove it.
> >
> > Btw, this sentence and one earlier mentions "custom printing" without
> > explaining what that means, AFAICT.  It would be good to fix this
> > while at that.
> 
> (That was 10 months ago, but I never replied back at the time.)
> 
> I don't know what the "Lisp printer" is

In the ELisp manual, type "i Lisp printer RET" and read there.

> nor do I know what "custom printing" is

That's cust-print.el, I think.

Message #33 received at 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se>, 37956 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,
 ayanokoji.takesi <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#37956: Elisp manual referes obsolete lisp file.
Date: Wed, 07 Oct 2020 06:42:22 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> (That was 10 months ago, but I never replied back at the time.)
>> 
>> I don't know what the "Lisp printer" is
>
> In the ELisp manual, type "i Lisp printer RET" and read there.
>
>> nor do I know what "custom printing" is
>
> That's cust-print.el, I think.

I've now updated the manual here.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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