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27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands

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From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 16:56:01 +0100

emacs -Q
C-h w 2C-two-columns RET
Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key".
However, <f2> <f2> runs 2C-two-columns.
This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands
that aren't yet loaded.  It would be nice if this worked.


In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 85, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5)
 of 2019-10-31
Repository revision: 111a95fe6d209aff6e7f26cb6777fbdf02aae15d
Repository branch: master
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Message #8 received at 38006 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>
Cc: 38006 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#38006: 27.0.50;
 C-h w doesn't appear to work with autoloaded commands
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 2019 17:30:21 +0100

On Okt 31 2019, Philipp Stephani wrote:

> emacs -Q
> C-h w 2C-two-columns RET
> Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key".
> However, <f2> <f2> runs 2C-two-columns.
> This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands
> that aren't yet loaded.  It would be nice if this worked.

The problem is that the keymap that is bound to f2 is autoloaded.  Emacs
does not know how that keymap looks like until it is loaded, and the
command isn't really bound until then.

Andreas.

-- 
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Message #13 received at 38006 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de>
Cc: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2 <at> gmail.com>, 38006 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#38006: 27.0.50; C-h w doesn't appear to work with
 autoloaded commands
Date: Mon, 14 Jun 2021 16:36:52 +0200

Andreas Schwab <schwab <at> suse.de> writes:

> On Okt 31 2019, Philipp Stephani wrote:
>
>> emacs -Q
>> C-h w 2C-two-columns RET
>> Output is "2C-two-columns is not on any key".
>> However, <f2> <f2> runs 2C-two-columns.
>> This means that apparently C-h w doesn't work with autoloaded commands
>> that aren't yet loaded.  It would be nice if this worked.
>
> The problem is that the keymap that is bound to f2 is autoloaded.  Emacs
> does not know how that keymap looks like until it is loaded, and the
> command isn't really bound until then.

So I don't think there's anything to fix here, and I'm closing this bug
report.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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