Received: (at 38161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2019 15:44:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 12 10:44:33 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58217 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iUYLJ-0002h7-7q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:44:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38074) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iUYLI-0002gv-GZ for 38161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:44:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37815) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iUYLC-0003Ei-M8; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:44:26 -0500 Received: from [2001:660:6102:320:e120:2c8f:8909:cdfe] (port=36916 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iUYLC-00054v-8d; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 10:44:26 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: "pelzflorian \(Florian Pelz\)" <pelzflorian@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#38161: Guix guided installer should set up printers and scanners References: <20191110154459.507093b4@HIDDEN> <87lfsmm8k3.fsf@HIDDEN> <20191112073530.GJ3954@E5400> <20191112144944.580c9bcf@HIDDEN> <20191112143556.b7v5v4fdcixoht7z@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 22 Brumaire an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 16:44:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <20191112143556.b7v5v4fdcixoht7z@HIDDEN> (pelzflorian@HIDDEN's message of "Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:35:56 +0100") Message-ID: <87mud1p0a0.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38161 Cc: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@HIDDEN>, 38161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi! "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@HIDDEN> skribis: > On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 02:49:44PM +0100, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: >> Long term, people will not print things anymore but will scan things > > This does not match my experience. Printing things at university for > free (up to a quota) is very popular with students. In this context, students to not need to run the CUPS daemon on their laptop though: they just need to fill out ~/.cups/client.conf so that it talks to the right pool server, and then everything should =E2=80=9Cjust wo= rk.=E2=80=9D Ludo=E2=80=99.
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Full text available.Received: (at 38161) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2019 14:36:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 12 09:36:02 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56501 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iUXGz-0000av-NH for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:36:02 -0500 Received: from pelzflorian.de ([5.45.111.108]:43524 helo=mail.pelzflorian.de) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <pelzflorian@HIDDEN>) id 1iUXGw-0000af-FP for 38161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:35:59 -0500 Received: from pelzflorian.localdomain (unknown [5.45.111.108]) by mail.pelzflorian.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 11F6E36051E; Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:35:57 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=simple/simple; d=pelzflorian.de; s=mail; t=1573569357; bh=XChw6C1NDtAF6/XCEC28MvxqPxEQk9NfRbxleQIogMI=; h=Date:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:In-Reply-To; b=Eqh9bBYCjVZ8qxZ9Gm6yGw1Y178LOp/gGh5DeAQfP9Z5h82S2RkFI9KPHFi+ZQlAD lwAeEHnZYx9+9Hn5M3/ImguF5jCzJNLXjeu084PTqTWAX+/+f59UEMdTnt1x8DcXRw NOYyu6UCbKZA8KOq6HhqAKmOePzMfxpzAMo1LO0M= Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2019 15:35:56 +0100 From: "pelzflorian (Florian Pelz)" <pelzflorian@HIDDEN> To: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#38161: Guix guided installer should set up printers and scanners Message-ID: <20191112143556.b7v5v4fdcixoht7z@HIDDEN> References: <20191110154459.507093b4@HIDDEN> <87lfsmm8k3.fsf@HIDDEN> <20191112073530.GJ3954@E5400> <20191112144944.580c9bcf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit In-Reply-To: <20191112144944.580c9bcf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38161 Cc: Efraim Flashner <efraim@HIDDEN>, 38161 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Tue, Nov 12, 2019 at 02:49:44PM +0100, Danny Milosavljevic wrote: > Long term, people will not print things anymore but will scan things This does not match my experience. Printing things at university for free (up to a quota) is very popular with students. Many prefer reading on paper or making notes. Paper is like a cheap extra screen. Nonetheless, instead of making hplip a default, I would prefer having a video on how to install and configure printing services among top Web search results. This sounds like much work, but I’m not sure how much work it really is. Installing services is really easy on Guix. Regards, Florian
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On Tue, 12 Nov 2019 09:35:30 +0200
Efraim Flashner <efraim@HIDDEN> wrote:
> At the very least I think the udev rules should be added to the cups
> service.
Hmm, does cups have anything to do with scanning?=20
Long term, people will not print things anymore but will scan things
(until such time where that stops, too), so "cups" will be way less
important that "sane" in the long run--and, if optional, it can easily
be that a user has "sane" but not "cups" in the system.
I'd prefer to just add
(simple-service 'custom-udev-rules udev-service-type
(list sane-backends-minimal)) =20
unconditionally (if it doesn't increase the size anyway).
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From: Danny Milosavljevic <dannym@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Guix guided installer should set up printers and scanners
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Hi,
currently, the Guix guided installer does not set up printers and
scanners (see bug# 38064), making those not work after installation.
It would be good to extend the Guix installer to also install "cups" and
"sane-backends" services, just like it already does for networking services,
if applicable. Long term, we could also do the actual configuration, but
right now even just the services below would already be a big improvement:
The relevant operating-system config snippets are:
(services
(append
(list (service cups-service-type
(cups-configuration
(web-interface? #t)
(extensions
(list cups-filters escpr hplip-minimal))))
(simple-service 'custom-udev-rules udev-service-type
(list sane-backends))
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