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Subject: Re: bug#38243: Zsh does not load /etc/profile values by default
To: Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@HIDDEN>
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On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:22 AM Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@HIDDEN>
wrote:
> > Not sure what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink
> > /etc/zprofile to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that
> > /etc/profile was always available. Or we could include a source'ing
> > of
> > /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile.
>
I took a closer look at this, and currently Zsh users have /etc/profile
included in their environment by virtue of a default $HOME/.zprofile, which
is created in their home directory when they are created (via `useradd` and
/etc/skel ).
I'm a little stuck to know what to do here -- if we source /etc/profile in
/etc/zprofile, then we risk sourcing it twice for users who have the
current default ~/.zprofile already in their home directories`. OTOH, if
users come to Guix System with their own pre-existing home directory, then
they may well struggle --- as I did -- because important environment
variables aren't set by their established ~/.zshrc, ~/.zprofile or
~/.zlogin setups.
I *think* the right thing to do is to drop the current /etc/skel/.zprofile
and establish that /etc/zprofile (and other shells) should source
/etc/profile . Guix System does a lot of setup in /etc/profile including
including $GUIX_PROFILE/etc/profile. It would be best if this
automatically happened, whatever is going on in individual home
directories. I'm a Guix newbie though, so I'm happy to take advice!
Archlinux has a one-line /etc/zprofile which sources /etc/profile ; Debian
does not; I have not checked other distributions, but I could.
A couple of Guix commits where the current behavior was established:
commit 2f4d43584cb26315c028dfbd2197da0d175933a2
Author: Chris Marusich <cmmarusich@HIDDEN>
Date: Sat Oct 13 22:50:36 2018 -0700
system: Rename .zlogin to .zprofile.
Reported by Meiyo Peng <meiyo.peng@HIDDEN>.
* gnu/system/shadow.scm (default-skeletons): Rename zlogin to zprofile.
commit 02f707c590fa3c5bbd74168468bf561b47317f71
Author: Sou Bunnbu (=E5=AE=8B=E6=96=87=E6=AD=A6) <iyzsong@HIDDEN>
Date: Fri Dec 5 21:17:49 2014 +0800
system: Add skeleton '.zlogin'.
* gnu/system/shadow.scm (default-skeletons): Add .zlogin.
Best,
d.
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">=
<div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">On Sun, Nov 17, 2019 at 5:22 AM Leo P=
rikler <<a href=3D"mailto:leo.prikler@HIDDEN">leo.prikler@stu=
dent.tugraz.at</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" st=
yle=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padd=
ing-left:1ex">
> Not sure what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink<br=
>
> /etc/zprofile to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that<br=
>
> /etc/profile was always available. Or we could include a source'in=
g<br>
> of<br>
> /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I t=
ook a closer look at this, and currently Zsh users have /etc/profile includ=
ed in their environment by virtue of a default $HOME/.zprofile, which is cr=
eated in their home directory when they are created (via `useradd` and /etc=
/skel ).</div><div><br></div><div>I'm a little stuck to know what to do=
here -- if we source /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile, then we risk sourcing =
it twice for users who have the current default ~/.zprofile already in thei=
r home directories`. OTOH, if users come to Guix System with their own pre-=
existing home directory, then they may well struggle --- as I did -- becaus=
e important environment variables aren't set by their established ~/.zs=
hrc, ~/.zprofile or ~/.zlogin setups.</div><div><br></div><div>I *think* th=
e right thing to do is to drop the current /etc/skel/.zprofile and establis=
h that /etc/zprofile (and other shells) should source /etc/profile . Guix S=
ystem does a lot of setup in /etc/profile including including $GUIX_PROFILE=
/etc/profile.=C2=A0 It would be best if this automatically happened, whatev=
er is going on in individual home directories. I'm a Guix newbie though=
, so I'm happy to take advice!=C2=A0 Archlinux has a one-line /etc/zpro=
file which sources /etc/profile ; Debian does not; I have not checked other=
distributions, but I could.</div><div><br></div><div>A couple of Guix comm=
its where the current behavior was established:</div><div><br></div><div>co=
mmit 2f4d43584cb26315c028dfbd2197da0d175933a2<br>Author: Chris Marusich <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:cmmarusich@HIDDEN">cmmarusich@HIDDEN</a>><br>Da=
te: =C2=A0 Sat Oct 13 22:50:36 2018 -0700<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 system: Rena=
me .zlogin to .zprofile.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 Reported by Mei=
yo Peng <<a href=3D"mailto:meiyo.peng@HIDDEN">meiyo.peng@HIDDEN</a=
>>.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * gnu/system/shadow.scm (default-=
skeletons): Rename zlogin to zprofile.</div><div><br></div><div>commit 02f7=
07c590fa3c5bbd74168468bf561b47317f71<br>Author: Sou Bunnbu (=E5=AE=8B=E6=96=
=87=E6=AD=A6) <<a href=3D"mailto:iyzsong@HIDDEN">iyzsong@HIDDEN</a=
>><br>Date: =C2=A0 Fri Dec 5 21:17:49 2014 +0800<br><br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 sy=
stem: Add skeleton '.zlogin'.<br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 <br>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 * =
gnu/system/shadow.scm (default-skeletons): Add .zlogin.</div><div><br></div=
><div>Best,</div><div><br></div><div>d.<br></div></div></div>
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bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#38243; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 38243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 21:42:24 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 17 16:42:24 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42830 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iWSJM-0002f6-8m for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:42:24 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59024) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iWSJK-0002er-7k for 38243 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:42:22 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42103) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iWSJE-0002Sy-Lk; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:42:16 -0500 Received: from [2a01:e0a:1d:7270:af76:b9b:ca24:c465] (port=52828 helo=ribbon) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <ludo@HIDDEN>) id 1iWSJE-0005eq-7T; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 16:42:16 -0500 From: =?utf-8?Q?Ludovic_Court=C3=A8s?= <ludo@HIDDEN> To: "Danny O'Brien" <danny@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#38243: Zsh does not load /etc/profile values by default References: <CAAkY2scspbLnrX2Ufg10_w2SvkwdFqtDO7Xbm0oyw0BthgPhtg@HIDDEN> X-URL: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ X-Revolutionary-Date: 27 Brumaire an 228 de la =?utf-8?Q?R=C3=A9volution?= X-PGP-Key-ID: 0x090B11993D9AEBB5 X-PGP-Key: http://www.fdn.fr/~lcourtes/ludovic.asc X-PGP-Fingerprint: 3CE4 6455 8A84 FDC6 9DB4 0CFB 090B 1199 3D9A EBB5 X-OS: x86_64-pc-linux-gnu Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 22:42:14 +0100 In-Reply-To: <CAAkY2scspbLnrX2Ufg10_w2SvkwdFqtDO7Xbm0oyw0BthgPhtg@HIDDEN> (Danny O'Brien's message of "Sat, 16 Nov 2019 23:14:24 -0800") Message-ID: <878soei3ih.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.3 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38243 Cc: 38243 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Hi Danny, "Danny O'Brien" <danny@HIDDEN> skribis: > Right now, an installation of zsh as a primary shell won't read in the > environmental settings in /etc/profile -- it looks for (but doesn't > find) a /etc/zprofile file instead. > > Not sure what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink > /etc/zprofile to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that > /etc/profile was always available. Or we could include a source'ing of > /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile. > > I'm not sure what status /etc/profile holds in Guix -- is it the > canonical location for any user-wide environment settings?=20 There=E2=80=99s also /etc/environment, honored by =E2=80=98pam_env=E2=80=99= , and thus shell-independent. > Will it be guaranteed to be POSIXly correct, rather than having any > bashisms? It=E2=80=99s meant to be POSIX. If you notice Bash-specific constructs, we= can surely remove those (I see a couple of =E2=80=9Cexport VAR=3Dvalue=E2=80=9D= , which is not POSIX, but maybe Zsh supports it?). Let us know what=E2=80=99s needed! Thanks, Ludo=E2=80=99.
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#38243; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 38243) by debbugs.gnu.org; 17 Nov 2019 13:22:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 17 08:22:09 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40468 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iWKVF-0005fS-A2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:22:09 -0500 Received: from mailrelay.tugraz.at ([129.27.2.202]:8483) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <leo.prikler@HIDDEN>) id 1iWKVC-0005fI-JL for 38243 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 08:22:07 -0500 Received: from nijino.local (194-96-102-81.hdsl.highway.telekom.at [194.96.102.81]) by mailrelay.tugraz.at (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 47GCRZ3KT7z1LWp5; Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:22:02 +0100 (CET) DKIM-Filter: OpenDKIM Filter v2.11.0 mailrelay.tugraz.at 47GCRZ3KT7z1LWp5 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=tugraz.at; s=mailrelay; t=1573996922; bh=C+xdi4Iiy9hy/aMU4bLNo252GFcC5gBJzp9v2rx7yEk=; h=Subject:From:To:Cc:Date:In-Reply-To:From; b=C6G96KJ8ILW8wkpTsVX1DMcUkVQhLBWX0uTigmR+9+Xk+iEWcNExU39E1co8HXaFx ZQF7cqT8CCuAUFV8hpkn1xXtJJlGonZ8qEZwbh+wNn1OPGso4JK+0j0VIND6TJ8e3z QUmgSiDvYFf51mFVihoVJj9xe4WZcozWNph4lPQA= Message-ID: <02c4cef07e9f519697b9bbe9c6ab116fa2e2a404.camel@HIDDEN> Subject: bug#38243: Zsh does not load /etc/profile values by default From: Leo Prikler <leo.prikler@HIDDEN> To: danny@HIDDEN Date: Sun, 17 Nov 2019 14:21:58 +0100 In-Reply-To: CAAkY2scspbLnrX2Ufg10_w2SvkwdFqtDO7Xbm0oyw0BthgPhtg@HIDDEN Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" User-Agent: Evolution 3.30.5 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-TUG-Backscatter-control: bt4lQm5Tva3SBgCuw0EnZw X-Spam-Scanner: SpamAssassin 3.003001 X-Spam-Score-relay: -1.9 X-Scanned-By: MIMEDefang 2.74 on 129.27.10.116 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38243 Cc: 38243 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I'm not sure what status /etc/profile holds in Guix -- is it the > canonical location for any user-wide environment settings? Will it > be > guaranteed to be POSIXly correct, rather than having any bashisms? It is currently not and I'm not sure whether it will be. The current behaviour is known to cause problems with fish, though, so a proper solution would be appreciated. The real culprit seems likely to be $GUIX_PROFILE/etc/profile, which are sourced by /etc/profile. As far as zsh is concerned, it does seem to work despite the bashisms, as long as you can get it to source /etc/profile. > Not sure what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink > /etc/zprofile to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that > /etc/profile was always available. Or we could include a source'ing > of > /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile. I'd rather generate a separate file. In zsh, you would also have to expand fpath to include Guix' autocompletion stuff, which works out of the box for bash. Given the aforementioned bashisms in $GUIX_PROFILE/etc/profile, we may also want to keep a $GUIX_PROFILE/etc/zprofile, although ideally we would make our profiles POSIXly correct instead. Regards, Leo
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Not sure what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink /etc/zprofile to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that /etc/profile was always available. Or we could include a source'ing of /etc/profile in /etc/zprofile. I'm not sure what status /etc/profile holds in Guix -- is it the canonical location for any user-wide environment settings? Will it be guaranteed to be POSIXly correct, rather than having any bashisms? Thanks for your work, d. --00000000000065ce0205978595c7 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Right now, an installation of zsh as a primary shell w= on't read in the<br>environmental settings in /etc/profile -- it looks = for (but doesn't<br>find) a /etc/zprofile file instead.<br><br>Not sure= what the correct approach should be here. We could symlink<br>/etc/zprofil= e to /etc/profile , but that would require knowing that<br>/etc/profile was= always available. 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