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Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file
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On 6/12/19 4:01 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> If we want [so-long] to be enabled by default, it "needs work", IMO.
> For starters, the default line length beyond which it kicks in, 250
> characters, is waaay too low. IME, problems start with much longer
> lines, perhaps more than 10000 characters.
Agreed. There is a whole discussion pending (I intended to raise it
soon), asking people to test the library more widely, and to help to
figure out what the default settings should actually be. The current
settings are almost entirely based on modes and features I have tried
personally, after all.
That 250 value is, as you note, incredibly small. As with many things
in so-long it's something of a heuristic and trade-off. The reasoning
was that not all files with extremely long lines are just one line --
newline chars may still occur in the text for reasons other than the
formatting of the file -- and so the question was: "given the context
of a buffer in some prog-mode derivative, what length is "long enough"
to indicate that we're not looking at a normal file, but something
which probably contains minified code?
In conjunction is the "how many lines do we test" variable. It would
be nice to arrive at a decision without doing a lot of work, so we
don't want to inspect a really large number of lines; but we also
don't necessarily want to *require* that we've seen a line which will
definitely cause problems -- a shorter line which strongly suggests
that we're looking at minified code/data may be sufficient.
With the current conservative (*very* conservative) values we very
quickly reach a decision, but we're more likely to trigger in false-
positive situations (this has happened to me, but only very rarely;
and by default `so-long-revert' is a C-c C-c away). With larger
values we may more effort to reach a decision. With *much* larger
values, that extra effort might be noticeable (on slower systems
even if not on faster ones), so I think we want to be a bit careful
of that.
(Not that I've been testing large values for performance -- I've been
leaving that for the later discussion, and in the meantime I've been
content to have the small default values, in part because it seemed
more likely that people would discover potential problems with the
library if it was a bit more trigger-happy.)
As with most things in so-long, there's no single right solution;
but I'm keen to arrive at a set of defaults that people can agree
are a reasonable starting point for most users; and I'm certainly
not suggesting that I've done that already ("what should the default
settings be?" has been an open question from the outset, really.)
-Phil
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file
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>>>>> On Wed, 04 Dec 2019 17:45:40 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>> Thread 1 "emacs" hit Breakpoint 3, bidi_shelve_cache () at bidi.c:981
>> 981 alloc =3D (bidi_shelve_header_size
>> $25 =3D 30860
>> $26 =3D 71842080
>>=20
>> which means Emacs is copying 70MB of data every time bidi_shelve_cac=
he
>> is called, and it=CA=BCs called *a lot* in this scenario. Could we n=
ot do
>> this shelving by pointer-swapping or similar rather than copying?
Eli> Not sure I understand what kind of pointer-swapping you had in min=
d.
Eli> We don't swap between 2 buffers here, we save away a snapshot of t=
he
Eli> iterator state each time we see a character where a line break can=
be
Eli> made, so that we could restore that state when we exhaust the wind=
ow's
Eli> width. We must restore the iterator state to continue to the next
Eli> visual line, and the bidi cache is an integral part of that state.
Yes, I hadn't realized you needed to keep a copy of the data.
Eli> We could perhaps lower the cache size limit (see
Eli> BIDI_CACHE_MAX_ELTS_PER_SLOT in bidi.c), which would then
Eli> proportionally decrease the time for making a copy of the
Eli> cache.
I tried various values of that down to 5000, it improved matters by a
factor of 8 or so, but the resulting Emacs was still pretty laggy
(with visual-line-mode enabled).
Eli> Or
Eli> we could make some non-trivial changes in the logic of
Eli> move_it_in_display_line_to (and similar changes in display_line) to
Eli> detect when the cache becomes too large, and use a backup algorithm
Eli> that doesn't copy it. But I question the utility of such changes:
Eli> they will never get us a speedup like bidi-inhibit-bpa does, and f=
or
Eli> the relatively rare use case like this one (extremely long lines i=
n a
Eli> JSON file, with some bracketed parts containing R2L text, and the =
user
Eli> activating visual-line-mode on top of that) inhibiting the BPA,
Eli> whether via so-long or by the user or some other Lisp, sounds like=
an
Eli> okay solution to me. If the JSON file has long lines, but no R2L
Eli> text, we already have an optimization in bidi.c to avoid having a
Eli> large cache; and if visual-line-mode is off, the cache doesn't nee=
d to
Eli> be copied so frequently. So only the combination of the two causes
Eli> this tremendous slowdown, and bidi-inhibit-bpa solves it better th=
an
Eli> any alternative. WDYT?
That sounds reasonable. I see global-so-long-mode is off by default,
do we want to enable it by default? It seems a dis-service to users to
make them have to find out about it by themselves.
Robert
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> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
> Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, pieter@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 04 Dec 2019 10:15:55 +0100
>
> Eli> First, which part of SAVE_IT causes this? I'm guessing it's this
> Eli> part:
>
> Eli> #define SAVE_IT(ITCOPY, ITORIG, CACHE) \
> Eli> do { \
> Eli> if (CACHE) \
> Eli> bidi_unshelve_cache (CACHE, true); \
> Eli> ITCOPY = ITORIG; \
> Eli> CACHE = bidi_shelve_cache (); \ <<<<<<<<<<<<
> Eli> } while (false)
>
> Yes, itʼs bidi_shelve_cache
Thanks for verifying.
> Eli> And if this guess is also true, then I think the problem is that
> Eli> databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx) is unaligned on 64-bit systems,
> Eli> since bidi_cache_idx is an int.
>
> The '_unaligned_' bit of that memmove function name does not mean
> thatʼs itʼs doing unoptimized unaligned copies: it means it accepts
> unaligned pointers, and aligns them as necessary to enable fast
> copying. Anyway, I made bidi_cache_idx an intptr_t, and it made no
> difference.
OK, thanks.
> Thread 1 "emacs" hit Breakpoint 3, bidi_shelve_cache () at bidi.c:981
> 981 alloc = (bidi_shelve_header_size
> $25 = 30860
> $26 = 71842080
>
> which means Emacs is copying 70MB of data every time bidi_shelve_cache
> is called, and itʼs called *a lot* in this scenario. Could we not do
> this shelving by pointer-swapping or similar rather than copying?
Not sure I understand what kind of pointer-swapping you had in mind.
We don't swap between 2 buffers here, we save away a snapshot of the
iterator state each time we see a character where a line break can be
made, so that we could restore that state when we exhaust the window's
width. We must restore the iterator state to continue to the next
visual line, and the bidi cache is an integral part of that state.
We could perhaps lower the cache size limit (see
BIDI_CACHE_MAX_ELTS_PER_SLOT in bidi.c), which would then
proportionally decrease the time for making a copy of the cache. Or
we could make some non-trivial changes in the logic of
move_it_in_display_line_to (and similar changes in display_line) to
detect when the cache becomes too large, and use a backup algorithm
that doesn't copy it. But I question the utility of such changes:
they will never get us a speedup like bidi-inhibit-bpa does, and for
the relatively rare use case like this one (extremely long lines in a
JSON file, with some bracketed parts containing R2L text, and the user
activating visual-line-mode on top of that) inhibiting the BPA,
whether via so-long or by the user or some other Lisp, sounds like an
okay solution to me. If the JSON file has long lines, but no R2L
text, we already have an optimization in bidi.c to avoid having a
large cache; and if visual-line-mode is off, the cache doesn't need to
be copied so frequently. So only the combination of the two causes
this tremendous slowdown, and bidi-inhibit-bpa solves it better than
any alternative. WDYT?
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>>>>> On Tue, 03 Dec 2019 18:05:42 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
Eli> Yes, I was wondering about that myself. But we need more details =
to
Eli> understand better what, if anything, can be done about this.
Eli> First, which part of SAVE_IT causes this? I'm guessing it's this
Eli> part:
Eli> #define SAVE_IT(ITCOPY, ITORIG, CACHE) \
Eli> do { \
Eli> if (CACHE) \
Eli> bidi_unshelve_cache (CACHE, true); \
Eli> ITCOPY =3D ITORIG; \
Eli> CACHE =3D bidi_shelve_cache (); \ <<<<<<<<<<<<
Eli> } while (false)
Yes, it=CA=BCs bidi_shelve_cache
Eli> If that is true, then I think the offending part of bidi_shelve_ca=
che
Eli> is this:
Eli> alloc =3D (bidi_shelve_header_size
Eli> + bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it));
Eli> databuf =3D xmalloc (alloc);
Eli> bidi_cache_total_alloc +=3D alloc;
Eli> memcpy (databuf, &bidi_cache_idx, sizeof (bidi_cache_idx));
Eli> memcpy (databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx), =
<<<<<<<
Eli> bidi_cache, bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it)); <<<<<<<
Eli> memcpy (databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx)
Eli> + bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it),
Eli> bidi_cache_start_stack, sizeof (bidi_cache_start_stack));
Eli> And if this guess is also true, then I think the problem is that
Eli> databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx) is unaligned on 64-bit systems,
Eli> since bidi_cache_idx is an int.
The '_unaligned_' bit of that memmove function name does not mean
that=CA=BCs it=CA=BCs doing unoptimized unaligned copies: it means it accep=
ts
unaligned pointers, and aligns them as necessary to enable fast
copying. Anyway, I made bidi_cache_idx an intptr_t, and it made no
difference.
I think that misalignment is vastly dwarfed by the following:
(gdb) l bidi_shelve_cache
973 {
974 unsigned char *databuf;
975 ptrdiff_t alloc;
976
977 /* Empty cache. */
978 if (bidi_cache_idx =3D=3D 0)
979 return NULL;
980
981 alloc =3D (bidi_shelve_header_size
982 + bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it));
(gdb) b 980
Breakpoint 3 at 0x4b66aa: file bidi.c, line 981.
(gdb) commands
Type commands for breakpoint(s) 3, one per line.
End with a line saying just "end".
>p bidi_cache_idx
>p bidi_cache_idx * sizeof(struct bidi_it)
>end
Thread 1 "emacs" hit Breakpoint 3, bidi_shelve_cache () at bidi.c:981
981 alloc =3D (bidi_shelve_header_size
$25 =3D 30860
$26 =3D 71842080
which means Emacs is copying 70MB of data every time bidi_shelve_cache
is called, and it=CA=BCs called *a lot* in this scenario. Could we not do
this shelving by pointer-swapping or similar rather than copying?
Robert
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> From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN>, pieter@HIDDEN,
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> >>>>> On Mon, 02 Dec 2019 11:27:10 +0100, Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> said:
> /* Otherwise, we can wrap here. */
> SAVE_IT (wrap_it, *it, wrap_data); <=====
> may_wrap = false;
> }
> }
> }
>
> That SAVE_IT is what causes the __memmove_avx_unaligned_erms to show
> up so high in the trace (via bidi_shelve_cache).
Yes, I was wondering about that myself. But we need more details to
understand better what, if anything, can be done about this.
First, which part of SAVE_IT causes this? I'm guessing it's this
part:
#define SAVE_IT(ITCOPY, ITORIG, CACHE) \
do { \
if (CACHE) \
bidi_unshelve_cache (CACHE, true); \
ITCOPY = ITORIG; \
CACHE = bidi_shelve_cache (); \ <<<<<<<<<<<<
} while (false)
If that is true, then I think the offending part of bidi_shelve_cache
is this:
alloc = (bidi_shelve_header_size
+ bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it));
databuf = xmalloc (alloc);
bidi_cache_total_alloc += alloc;
memcpy (databuf, &bidi_cache_idx, sizeof (bidi_cache_idx));
memcpy (databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx), <<<<<<<
bidi_cache, bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it)); <<<<<<<
memcpy (databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx)
+ bidi_cache_idx * sizeof (struct bidi_it),
bidi_cache_start_stack, sizeof (bidi_cache_start_stack));
And if this guess is also true, then I think the problem is that
databuf + sizeof (bidi_cache_idx) is unaligned on 64-bit systems,
since bidi_cache_idx is an int.
Could you verify the above guesses?
Thanks.
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file
without newlines
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>>>>> On Mon, 02 Dec 2019 11:27:10 +0100, Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN> said:
>>>>> On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 19:45:11 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
Robert> bidi-inhibit-bpa nil:
Robert> # Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol
Robert> # ........ ............ ............................. ..........................................................
Robert> #
Robert> 96.59% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] __memmove_avx_unaligned_erms
Robert> 0.22% emacs emacs [.] mark_object
Robert> 0.17% emacs emacs [.] composition_compute_stop_pos
Robert> 0.12% emacs emacs [.] re_match_2_internal
So further messing with perf leads me to the following code in
move_it_in_display_line_to:
{
if (it->line_wrap == WORD_WRAP && it->area == TEXT_AREA)
{
if (IT_DISPLAYING_WHITESPACE (it))
may_wrap = true;
else if (may_wrap)
{
/* We have reached a glyph that follows one or more
whitespace characters. If the position is
already found, we are done. */
if (atpos_it.sp >= 0)
{
RESTORE_IT (it, &atpos_it, atpos_data);
result = MOVE_POS_MATCH_OR_ZV;
goto done;
}
if (atx_it.sp >= 0)
{
RESTORE_IT (it, &atx_it, atx_data);
result = MOVE_X_REACHED;
goto done;
}
/* Otherwise, we can wrap here. */
SAVE_IT (wrap_it, *it, wrap_data); <=====
may_wrap = false;
}
}
}
That SAVE_IT is what causes the __memmove_avx_unaligned_erms to show
up so high in the trace (via bidi_shelve_cache).
Robert
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Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file
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>>>>> On Sun, 01 Dec 2019 19:45:11 +0200, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> said:
>> However, for me, bidi-inhibit-bpa comprehensively deals to that.
Eli> Down to 1 min here.
Eli> One other observation is that the first time you do that in a sess=
ion
Eli> after visiting the file, it takes much longer than the subsequent
Eli> times. Here, the second M-> takes 5 min with bidi-inhibit-bpa nil=
and
Eli> just 17 sec with it non-nil.
Eli> So I think some of this time is spent doing something we do once,
Eli> maybe loading fonts or something (this file has a lot of different
Eli> scripts).
I don=CA=BCt see any real difference between the first and second M-> with
bidi-inhibit-bpa t, so I didn=CA=BCt benchmark that, but I can if you want.
Eli> It would be interesting to run perf and compare its output with
Eli> bidi-inhibit-bpa nil and non-nil. Maybe the performance hit due to
Eli> visual-line-mode is because of some code that could be optimized, =
or
Eli> maybe (gasp!) even a bug. The difference between the first and
Eli> subsequent moves is also interesting to time.
Eli> I don't have access to a GUI system where I can run perf, so could
Eli> someone please do these measurements and post the resulting profil=
es?
I=CA=BCve done two runs, with visual-line-mode enabled, and bidi-inhibit-bpa
t/nil. Gzipped text versions of 'perf report' attached.
(Aside: why does char_table_ref check ASCII_CHAR_P again, when
CHAR_TABLE_REF already does that?)
bidi-inhibit-bpa t:
# Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol
# ........ ............ ............................. ..................=
..........................
#
11.21% emacs emacs [.] composition_co=
mpute_stop_pos
6.11% emacs emacs [.] CHAR_TABLE_REF
5.65% emacs emacs [.] mark_object
4.17% emacs emacs [.] re_match_2_int=
ernal
2.85% emacs emacs [.] lookup_char_pr=
operty
1.82% emacs emacs [.] next_interval
1.74% emacs emacs [.] Fassq
1.65% emacs emacs [.] compute_stop_p=
os
1.63% emacs emacs [.] find_interval
1.19% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] _IO_getc
1.15% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] __memmove_avx_=
unaligned_erms
1.12% emacs emacs [.] exec_byte_code
1.02% emacs emacs [.] move_it_in_dis=
play_line_to
1.02% emacs emacs [.] sub_char_table=
_ref
0.92% emacs ld-2.29.so [.] do_lookup_x
0.90% emacs emacs [.] buf_bytepos_to=
_charpos
bidi-inhibit-bpa nil:
# Overhead Command Shared Object Symbol
# ........ ............ ............................. ..................=
........................................
#
96.59% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] __memmove_avx_=
unaligned_erms
0.22% emacs emacs [.] mark_object
0.17% emacs emacs [.] composition_co=
mpute_stop_pos
0.12% emacs emacs [.] re_match_2_int=
ernal
0.12% emacs emacs [.] bidi_resolve_e=
xplicit
0.09% emacs emacs [.] CHAR_TABLE_REF
0.07% emacs emacs [.] lookup_char_pr=
operty
0.06% emacs emacs [.] bidi_fetch_char
0.05% emacs emacs [.] find_interval
0.05% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] _IO_getc
0.04% emacs emacs [.] move_it_in_dis=
play_line_to
0.04% emacs emacs [.] bidi_cache_sea=
rch.constprop.0
0.04% emacs emacs [.] exec_byte_code
0.04% emacs emacs [.] next_interval
0.04% emacs emacs [.] mark_char_table
0.04% emacs emacs [.] pdumper_marked=
_p_implq
0.04% emacs ld-2.29.so [.] do_lookup_x
0.03% emacs libc-2.29.so [.] __strchr_avx2
0.03% emacs emacs [.] rpl_re_search_2
0.03% emacs emacs [.] sub_char_table=
_ref
0.03% emacs emacs [.] bidi_cache_ite=
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Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50;
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Pieter van Oostrum wrote:
> Phil Sainty wrote:
>=20
> > On 1/12/19 8:23 PM, Pieter van Oostrum wrote:
> > > Here it is, compressed. I am loading the uncompressed file,
> > > of course.
> >=20
> > Without bidi-inhibit-bpa, visual-line-mode is certainly brutal
> > with this file (I've been waiting several minutes for Emacs 27
> > to respond to `end-of-buffer').
> >=20
> > However, for me, bidi-inhibit-bpa comprehensively deals to that.
> >=20
> > Is it possible that you didn't recompile or reinstall Emacs in
> > the way you thought you had, after pulling Eli's changes=3F
> >=20
> > Can you confirm that C-h v bidi-inhibit-bpa actually shows you
> > documentation about the variable=3F If it doesn't, then setting
> > it will have no effect whatsoever.
>=20
> This is what it says.
>=20
> bidi-inhibit-bpa is a variable defined in =E2=80=98C source code=E2=80=
=99.
> Its value is nil
>=20
> Calls these functions when changed: (#<subr set-buffer-redisplay>)=
>=20
> Documentation:
> Non-nil means inhibit the Bidirectional Parentheses Algorithm.
> Disabling the BPA makes redisplay faster, but might produce incorrec=
t
> display reordering of bidirectional text with embedded parentheses a=
nd
> other bracket characters whose =E2=80=99paired-bracket=E2=80=99 Unic=
ode property is
> non-nil, see =E2=80=98get-char-code-property=E2=80=99.
>=20
> So yes, it is the right one.
>=20
> Latest experiment:
>=20
> Opened this version of Emacs.=20
> (setq bidi-inhibit-bpa t)
> open the file extensions.json (i.e. without visual-line-mode)
> go to the end of the buffer.
> Emacs gets responsive again after about one minute.
> Then I open a new frame (Cmd-N), the frame appears, so this proves t=
hat Emacs was responsive.
> But after opening the frame, Emacs is unresponsive again with 100% C=
PU usage. After 30 minutes, I killed it.
That was without so-long-mode. I retried with so-long-mode, and now eve=
rything works as it should. Even in grep-mode when the culprit file has=
a hit, it appears in the grep buffer and I can scroll over it. As soon=
as I set bidi-inhibit-bpa to nil again, it fails.
I saw that bidi-inhibit-bpa is now part of so-long-mode, so I am compil=
ing the latest master now.
Thanks everybody for all the help.
--=20
Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 38407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Dec 2019 17:45:46 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 01 12:45:46 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:36661 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ibTI2-0000XI-FM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:45:46 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:40486) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ibTI1-0000X6-FI for 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:45:45 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:51449) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ibTHv-0002Ac-6k; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:45:39 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1294 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ibTHi-0000kb-MF; Sun, 01 Dec 2019 12:45:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2019 19:45:11 +0200 Message-Id: <83lfrwlz2w.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <b3ad835a-88ae-e9da-8518-2d909aa6f248@HIDDEN> (message from Phil Sainty on Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:37:46 +1300) Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines References: <lxpnhd9ecn.fsf@HIDDEN> <39c498717f8958e7fdc408d4da51d378@HIDDEN> <24031.28277.201123.531348@HIDDEN> <83r21sowx1.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.4698.256238.87458@HIDDEN> <83k17jq1ch.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.17845.921546.629745@HIDDEN> <83fti7p349.fsf@HIDDEN> <4B1ABCA7-A69C-4251-8EBD-A11654A92642@HIDDEN> <83v9r2o4z9.fsf@HIDDEN> <24035.27244.755074.180653@HIDDEN> <b3ad835a-88ae-e9da-8518-2d909aa6f248@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38407 Cc: pieter@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2019 23:37:46 +1300 > > On 1/12/19 8:23 PM, Pieter van Oostrum wrote: > > Here it is, compressed. I am loading the uncompressed file, > > of course. > > Without bidi-inhibit-bpa, visual-line-mode is certainly brutal > with this file (I've been waiting several minutes for Emacs 27 > to respond to `end-of-buffer'). 8.5 minutes here, with an unoptimized build. > However, for me, bidi-inhibit-bpa comprehensively deals to that. Down to 1 min here. One other observation is that the first time you do that in a session after visiting the file, it takes much longer than the subsequent times. Here, the second M-> takes 5 min with bidi-inhibit-bpa nil and just 17 sec with it non-nil. So I think some of this time is spent doing something we do once, maybe loading fonts or something (this file has a lot of different scripts). It would be interesting to run perf and compare its output with bidi-inhibit-bpa nil and non-nil. Maybe the performance hit due to visual-line-mode is because of some code that could be optimized, or maybe (gasp!) even a bug. The difference between the first and subsequent moves is also interesting to time. I don't have access to a GUI system where I can run perf, so could someone please do these measurements and post the resulting profiles?
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On 1/12/19 8:23 PM, Pieter van Oostrum wrote:
> Here it is, compressed. I am loading the uncompressed file,
> of course.
Without bidi-inhibit-bpa, visual-line-mode is certainly brutal
with this file (I've been waiting several minutes for Emacs 27
to respond to `end-of-buffer').
However, for me, bidi-inhibit-bpa comprehensively deals to that.
Is it possible that you didn't recompile or reinstall Emacs in
the way you thought you had, after pulling Eli's changes?
Can you confirm that C-h v bidi-inhibit-bpa actually shows you
documentation about the variable? If it doesn't, then setting
it will have no effect whatsoever.
-Phil
p.s. By default it should be telling you this:
bidi-inhibit-bpa is a variable defined in ‘C source code’.
Its value is nil
Calls these functions when changed: (#<subr set-buffer-redisplay>)
Documentation:
Non-nil means inhibit the Bidirectional Parentheses Algorithm.
Disabling the BPA makes redisplay faster, but might produce incorrect
display reordering of bidirectional text with embedded parentheses and
other bracket characters whose ’paired-bracket’ Unicode property is
non-nil, see ‘get-char-code-property’.
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > From: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>
> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:24:07 +0100
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> > Yes, I mean no difference. I started it late in the evening, and the next morning it was still running.
>
> Then I think we must see that file, there's probably some other factor
> at work here.
Here it is, compressed. I am loading the uncompressed file, of course.
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I started it late in the evening, and the next= morning it was still running.=20 >=20 > Then I think we must see that file, there's probably some other factor > at work here. I=E2=80=99ll send it when I=E2=80=99m back home. --=20 Pieter van Oostrum=
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Full text available.Received: (at 38407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2019 19:30:18 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 29 14:30:18 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:33590 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ialy6-0000yA-7P for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:30:18 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:49890) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ialy4-0000xv-Tu for 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:30:17 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50912) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ialxv-0002HN-Gl; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:30:07 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3255 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ialxt-0004yB-Qh; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 14:30:06 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 21:30:18 +0200 Message-Id: <83v9r2o4z9.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <4B1ABCA7-A69C-4251-8EBD-A11654A92642@HIDDEN> (message from Pieter van Oostrum on Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:24:07 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines References: <lxpnhd9ecn.fsf@HIDDEN> <39c498717f8958e7fdc408d4da51d378@HIDDEN> <24031.28277.201123.531348@HIDDEN> <83r21sowx1.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.4698.256238.87458@HIDDEN> <83k17jq1ch.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.17845.921546.629745@HIDDEN> <83fti7p349.fsf@HIDDEN> <4B1ABCA7-A69C-4251-8EBD-A11654A92642@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38407 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) > From: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 18:24:07 +0100 > Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Yes, I mean no difference. I started it late in the evening, and the next morning it was still running. Then I think we must see that file, there's probably some other factor at work here.
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Yes, I mean no difference. I started it late in the evening, and the next mo=
rning it was still running. I haven=E2=80=99t tried without so-long-mode. I a=
m a few days from home without my laptop, so I can=E2=80=99t do any more tes=
ting at the moment.
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Pieter van Oostrum
Op 29 nov. 2019 om 08:12 heeft Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> het volgende ges=
chreven:
>> Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 23:09:57 +0100
>> From: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: psainty@HIDDEN,
>> 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>>=20
>> I have tried the latest version with so-long-mode, bidi-inhibit-bpa
>> set to t, and the json file. Still hanging for a long time.
>=20
> You mean, you see no difference regardless of setting
> bidi-inhibit-bpa? Not even without so-long-mode in the picture?
>=20
>> Maybe it makes a difference that I am on MacOS?
>=20
> Unlikely.
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Almost never. > This variable will only have any visible effect when both of the > following conditions are true: > > . a physical line is very long > . the line includes many parentheses and/or braces, especially if > they are nested > > If these conditions are not true, the variable will have no tangible > effect on redisplay performance. Guess I got over-excited, sorry. If I ever find performance benefits in compilation buffers with this variable on, will report back.
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Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:31:44 +0200)
Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file
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> Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, pieter@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN>
> Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:31:44 +0200
>
> On 29.11.2019 16:26, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > No, because programming-language modes include strings and comments,
> > where the correct rendering is important.
>
> What about just compilation modes, then?
>
> This is where I have routinely seen display slowdown because of long lines.
Are there a lot of parentheses/braces there? are they nested?
This variable will only have any visible effect when both of the
following conditions are true:
. a physical line is very long
. the line includes many parentheses and/or braces, especially if
they are nested
If these conditions are not true, the variable will have no tangible
effect on redisplay performance.
Compilation buffers show errors and warnings, and this can easily
include strings. For example, a code line that calls 'message' in
Lisp or 'printf' in C usually includes a string. We don't want those
strings to be displayed incorrectly, unless displaying them correctly
takes a preposterous amount of time, at least not by default.
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Full text available.Received: (at 38407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 29 Nov 2019 14:26:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 29 09:26:42 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:59771 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iahEH-0001SU-MP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:26:41 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iahEG-0001SH-Aw for 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:26:40 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:45456) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iahE8-0004nA-JJ; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:26:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4733 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1iahE5-0005mb-QT; Fri, 29 Nov 2019 09:26:30 -0500 Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 16:26:43 +0200 Message-Id: <8336e6pxlo.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <e15061d7-ffe0-444f-ae96-06c09f4ff308@HIDDEN> (message from Dmitry Gutov on Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:48:14 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines References: <lxpnhd9ecn.fsf@HIDDEN> <39c498717f8958e7fdc408d4da51d378@HIDDEN> <24031.28277.201123.531348@HIDDEN> <83r21sowx1.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.4698.256238.87458@HIDDEN> <83k17jq1ch.fsf@HIDDEN> <24032.17845.921546.629745@HIDDEN> <83fti7p349.fsf@HIDDEN> <5b3e77c9-98e9-2874-8944-cfd9a3c414a6@HIDDEN> <e15061d7-ffe0-444f-ae96-06c09f4ff308@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38407 Cc: psainty@HIDDEN, pieter@HIDDEN, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.8 (-) > Cc: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>, 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > From: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 29 Nov 2019 15:48:14 +0200 > > Should we consider setting this value in `prog-mode`, then? For all its > derivatives. No, because programming-language modes include strings and comments, where the correct rendering is important. This variable should not be set non-nil unless the display engine is abysmally slow. In all other cases doing so is giving up correct display while gaining nothing, because in "sensible" buffers the BPA implementation is fast enough. > I think in all of these cases we're unlikely to see bidirectional text. I don't think "unlikely" is a good enough reason to do what you suggest by default. Emacs by default should produce correct display of all scripts it supports, even in unlikely use cases. Please don't make me regret I added this variable (or the bidi display in general).
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 19:30:50 +0100
> > From: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>
> > Cc: psainty@HIDDEN,
> > 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > In Emacs 26, it is also slow, but the redisplay comes to an end, so I see this as a kind of regression. The timing with Emacs 26 is very similar to that in Emacs 27, except that it doesn't hang at the end. So my impression is that the real difference is when the scrolling reaches the end of the file. That also happens with M-> (end-of-buffer), which hangs indefinitely (or at least a long time that is virtually indistinguishable from indefinitely) in Emacs 27, but it does finish in Emacs 26.
>
> I don't think there's any difference in this aspect between Emacs 26
> and 27. I see the same problem in both, FWIW, and I definitely didn't
> wait for hours for redisplay to finish, let alone saw it "hang
> indefinitely", even in an unoptimized build of Emacs 27 on a very slow
> machine. In my case it took something like 15 minutes. I don't
> understand why you see such long times. Of course, I tried this with
> a different JSON file than you did, so maybe there's something in your
> file that causes even more slowdown.
>
> In any case, try the latest master after setting bidi-inhibit-bpa to
> non-nil. In my testing, this is as fast as Emacs 23, i.e. no bidi
> reordering at all, give or take some 10%.
>
> And if you want the fastest display possible, use Fundamental mode,
> not Text.
>
>
I have tried the latest version with so-long-mode, bidi-inhibit-bpa set to t, and the json file. Still hanging for a long time. Maybe it makes a difference that I am on MacOS?
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Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 07:51:33 +0100
> > From: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN>
> > Cc: 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> >
> > Normally I wouldn't open such a bizarre file, but I was doing an 'rgrep' on my home directory, and this was one of the files that came up in the grep results. When I was scrolling though the *grep* buffer, I got this problem. Then I decided to just open the file, to eliminate the possibility that grep-mode was one of the causes.
> >
> > And yes, I checked it all with emacs -Q.
>
> As an aside, using Text mode for such files, and visual-line-mode on
> top of that, is exactly the opposite of what one should do to make
> redisplay performance better. Text mode resets
> bidi-paragraph-direction to nil, which makes redisplay work harder
> because it needs to find the beginning of the current paragraph each
> time redisplay starts. And visual-line-mode makes redisplay a bit
> slower, because of the need to find a suitable point to break the
> line.
>
> So I suggest to use the default mode for visiting JSON files.
I did open it as .json, and also enabled global-so-long-mode, but still no joy.
The real culprit is visual-line-mode, because without it, it can scroll through the file, albeit slowly. But it does finish, whereas with visual-line-mode it keeps swallowing CPU-time, at least for hours.
The really bad thing is that it can't be interrupted. ^G does not really stop it. So when you encounter this problem the only way out is to externally abort Emacs, thereby risking to lose your work. And all the hassle to restart and set up what you were doing.
As I encounter this problem in real life with rgrep, I can't always avoid it. I am doing a massive cleanup in my home directory, and with rgrep I will occasionally encounter these nasty files. It happened a couple of times in the last weeks.
In Emacs 26, it is also slow, but the redisplay comes to an end, so I see this as a kind of regression. The timing with Emacs 26 is very similar to that in Emacs 27, except that it doesn't hang at the end. So my impression is that the real difference is when the scrolling reaches the end of the file. That also happens with M-> (end-of-buffer), which hangs indefinitely (or at least a long time that is virtually indistinguishable from indefinitely) in Emacs 27, but it does finish in Emacs 26.
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Phil Sainty wrote:
> On 2019-11-28 10:52, Pieter van Oostrum wrote:
> > I used a 100KB json file from my Firefox profile
>
> Out of interest I went looking for large JSON files in my own Firefox
> profiles, and the largest one I could find was an "extensions.json"
> which was also roughly 100K. Curiously enough, everything was indeed
> dramatically slower than normal in that buffer, even in so-long-mode.
>
> I also observed that many different human languages were present in
> the text, so I thought that bi-directional text processing might be a
> factor -- and indeed setting the debug option bidi-display-reordering
> to nil in that buffer made a *very* dramatic improvement to
> performance.
>
> Similarly, performance was good after using M-x find-file-literally
> to visit the file.
>
> I am guessing that this is also what is happening for you?
It was exactly that file that caused the problem. I copied it to a .txt file to see if the problem might have been caused by the Javascript mode, and it didn't make any difference.
Normally I wouldn't open such a bizarre file, but I was doing an 'rgrep' on my home directory, and this was one of the files that came up in the grep results. When I was scrolling though the *grep* buffer, I got this problem. Then I decided to just open the file, to eliminate the possibility that grep-mode was one of the causes.
And yes, I checked it all with emacs -Q.
I forgot to mention that when I set debug-on-quit, a Quit indicated Emacs was in redisplay_internal.
--
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Full text available.Received: (at 38407) by debbugs.gnu.org; 28 Nov 2019 01:22:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 27 20:22:13 2019 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56456 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ia8VZ-00073Y-Cp for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:22:13 -0500 Received: from smtp-4.orcon.net.nz ([60.234.4.59]:57017) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1ia8VW-00073P-Jg for 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 27 Nov 2019 20:22:11 -0500 Received: from [10.253.37.70] (port=35163 helo=webmail.orcon.net.nz) by smtp-4.orcon.net.nz with esmtpa (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <psainty@HIDDEN>) id 1ia8VT-0007h2-JU; Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:22:07 +1300 Received: from wlgwil-nat-office.catalyst.net.nz ([202.78.240.7]) via [10.253.37.253] by webmail.orcon.net.nz with HTTP (HTTP/1.1 POST); Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:22:07 +1300 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Date: Thu, 28 Nov 2019 14:22:07 +1300 From: Phil Sainty <psainty@HIDDEN> To: Pieter van Oostrum <pieter@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#38407: 27.0.50; infinite loop with display of large file without newlines In-Reply-To: <lxpnhd9ecn.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <lxpnhd9ecn.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <39c498717f8958e7fdc408d4da51d378@HIDDEN> X-Sender: psainty@HIDDEN User-Agent: Orcon Webmail X-GeoIP: -- X-Spam_score: -2.9 X-Spam_score_int: -28 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 38407 Cc: 38407 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On 2019-11-28 10:52, Pieter van Oostrum wrote: > I used a 100KB json file from my Firefox profile Out of interest I went looking for large JSON files in my own Firefox profiles, and the largest one I could find was an "extensions.json" which was also roughly 100K. Curiously enough, everything was indeed dramatically slower than normal in that buffer, even in so-long-mode. I also observed that many different human languages were present in the text, so I thought that bi-directional text processing might be a factor -- and indeed setting the debug option bidi-display-reordering to nil in that buffer made a *very* dramatic improvement to performance. Similarly, performance was good after using M-x find-file-literally to visit the file. I am guessing that this is also what is happening for you? -Phil
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I used a 100KB json file from my Firefox profile (but loaded as a text file) 2) set visual-line-mode aka Word wrap 3) scroll up (<next> scroll-up-command) The scrolling is very slow, and the further in the file you come, the slower it becomes. During that time, Emacs consumes close to 100% CPU. At a certain moment it took me half an our for one scroll operation. When I went to the end of the buffer (M-> end-of-buffer), Emacs looped virtually forever. I decided to kill it after 12 hours. In another experiment, I repeatedly did a scroll-up-command, followed by the shell command 'date >> display.log'. I repeated this with a keyboard macro. The written times indicate that in the beginning the time for a scroll-up goes up linearly until more than a minute, and then Emacs get stuck. In GNU Emacs 27.0.50 (build 1, i686-apple-darwin10.0.0, NS appkit-1561.61 Version 10.13.6 (Build 17G9016)) of 2019-11-27 built on cochabamba.vanoostrum.org Repository revision: 4eb7db5d4b84708912c63a77569c8adeeff6c640 Repository branch: master Windowing system distributor 'Apple', version 10.3.1561 System Description: Mac OS X 10.13.6 Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. user-error: Beginning of history; no preceding item [Beginning of history; no preceding item] Visual-Line mode enabled Configured using: 'configure --build i686-apple-darwin10.0.0 --without-dbus --with-ns build_alias=i686-apple-darwin10.0.0 'CFLAGS=-pipe -march=nocona' PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/usr/X11R6/pkgconfig/:/usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/:/usr/lib/pkgconfig/' Configured features: NOTIFY KQUEUE ACL GNUTLS LIBXML2 ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS NS MODULES THREADS PDUMPER LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LC_CTYPE: UTF-8 value of $LANG: en_NL.UTF-8 locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Text Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t visual-line-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path shadows: None found. 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