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26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images

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From: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:15:23 +0900

When viewing archived images(zip or tar) with image-mode,
typing 'n' does not show the next image in the archive.
Similar for 'p'.


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Message #8 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 18:20:31 +0200

severity 38647 wishlist
thanks

> From: ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2019 16:15:23 +0900
> 
> 
> When viewing archived images(zip or tar) with image-mode,
> typing 'n' does not show the next image in the archive.
> Similar for 'p'.

Sounds like a missing feature which would be good to have, thanks.

Any takers?

Message #13 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Sun, 02 Aug 2020 11:49:11 +0200

Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org> writes:

>> When viewing archived images(zip or tar) with image-mode,
>> typing 'n' does not show the next image in the archive.
>> Similar for 'p'.
>
> Sounds like a missing feature which would be good to have, thanks.
>
> Any takers?

There's some difficulty knowing how to approach this -- the different
archive modes do so many different odd things.

For instance, if you open the file "guide.png" from a zip buffer,
buffer-file-name ends up being:

"/home/larsi/tmp/images.zip:guide.png"

In a tar file buffer, you end up with:

"/home/larsi/tmp/images.tgz!./guide.png"

So that has to be regularised first...  but will that break stuff?

Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any general "what's the next file in
this archive buffer" function?  Or am I missing something?

This seems like a trivial request, but I'm not sure we have the
infrastructure to make it happen...

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #16 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 02:50:12 +0300

>>> When viewing archived images(zip or tar) with image-mode,
>>> typing 'n' does not show the next image in the archive.
>>> Similar for 'p'.
>>
>> Sounds like a missing feature which would be good to have, thanks.
>>
>> Any takers?
>
> There's some difficulty knowing how to approach this -- the different
> archive modes do so many different odd things.
>
> For instance, if you open the file "guide.png" from a zip buffer,
> buffer-file-name ends up being:
>
> "/home/larsi/tmp/images.zip:guide.png"
>
> In a tar file buffer, you end up with:
>
> "/home/larsi/tmp/images.tgz!./guide.png"
>
> So that has to be regularised first...  but will that break stuff?
>
> Secondly, there doesn't seem to be any general "what's the next file in
> this archive buffer" function?  Or am I missing something?
>
> This seems like a trivial request, but I'm not sure we have the
> infrastructure to make it happen...

All this indicates that instead of using 'directory-files',
'image-next-file' should rely on 'archive-next-line' if the file
is opened from an archive, and on 'dired-next-line' otherwise.

When using 'dired-next-line' the image navigation order will be
exactly the same as the file sorting order in the dired buffer,
thus allowing the users to change the image order from dired.

Also this means that if there is no corresponding dired buffer
already visited, then 'image-next-file' should create an internal
dired buffer just for the sake of file image navigation.

Message #19 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Tue, 04 Aug 2020 10:05:45 +0200

Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

> All this indicates that instead of using 'directory-files',
> 'image-next-file' should rely on 'archive-next-line' if the file
> is opened from an archive, and on 'dired-next-line' otherwise.

`archive-next-line' isn't used in tar mode buffers -- that's the
problem: There's no unified interface across the different archive
modes.  (Although perhaps there's just two?  arc-mode and tar-mode?

> When using 'dired-next-line' the image navigation order will be
> exactly the same as the file sorting order in the dired buffer,
> thus allowing the users to change the image order from dired.

Yeah, that would be nice.  

> Also this means that if there is no corresponding dired buffer
> already visited, then 'image-next-file' should create an internal
> dired buffer just for the sake of file image navigation.

Hm.  I think that makes sense...  but it would perhaps be a bit
surprising?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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Message #22 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 02:47:44 +0300

>> All this indicates that instead of using 'directory-files',
>> 'image-next-file' should rely on 'archive-next-line' if the file
>> is opened from an archive, and on 'dired-next-line' otherwise.
>
> `archive-next-line' isn't used in tar mode buffers -- that's the
> problem: There's no unified interface across the different archive
> modes.  (Although perhaps there's just two?  arc-mode and tar-mode?

Yep, there's just two - these twins are going hand in hand,
for example, in image-mode.el in image-toggle-display-image:

			   (not (and (boundp 'archive-superior-buffer)
				     archive-superior-buffer))
			   (not (and (boundp 'tar-superior-buffer)
				     tar-superior-buffer))

>> Also this means that if there is no corresponding dired buffer
>> already visited, then 'image-next-file' should create an internal
>> dired buffer just for the sake of file image navigation.
>
> Hm.  I think that makes sense...  but it would perhaps be a bit
> surprising?

Maybe when not requested, such Dired buffer should be killed afterwards,
or its name should start with a space.

Message #25 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Wed, 05 Aug 2020 11:09:04 +0200

Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

> Yep, there's just two - these twins are going hand in hand,
> for example, in image-mode.el in image-toggle-display-image:
>
> 			   (not (and (boundp 'archive-superior-buffer)
> 				     archive-superior-buffer))
> 			   (not (and (boundp 'tar-superior-buffer)
> 				     tar-superior-buffer))

If there's just two, that's indeed manageable.  I imagined there were a
dozen of these modes, which seemed hopeless...

OK, I think the way forward here is probably to create a couple of
helper functions to abstract away the underlying movement/selection
stuff.  So something like image-mode--{next,prev}-file that will do the
right thing in dired/tar/arc buffers, and also respect the sorting in
those buffers.

I think that should be pretty easy to implement (he said without
actually having looked at it *theme music from Jaws starts playing*).

>>> Also this means that if there is no corresponding dired buffer
>>> already visited, then 'image-next-file' should create an internal
>>> dired buffer just for the sake of file image navigation.
>>
>> Hm.  I think that makes sense...  but it would perhaps be a bit
>> surprising?
>
> Maybe when not requested, such Dired buffer should be killed afterwards,
> or its name should start with a space.

Hm...  But what is "afterwards"?  Just leaving the image mode buffer?

Perhaps we can just make this all less surprising, and still have the
functionality, by just notifying the user.  (Or query?)  That is, if you
`n' in an image-mode buffer, and there's no dired (etc) buffer parent,
then just message "Opened dired buffer for <dir>" when doing so?
And...  bury it?  Or not?

Many UX things to tweak. 

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #28 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 02:50:20 +0300

>> Maybe when not requested, such Dired buffer should be killed afterwards,
>> or its name should start with a space.
>
> Hm...  But what is "afterwards"?  Just leaving the image mode buffer?

I thought that after every typing of `n'.

> Perhaps we can just make this all less surprising, and still have the
> functionality, by just notifying the user.  (Or query?)  That is, if you
> `n' in an image-mode buffer, and there's no dired (etc) buffer parent,
> then just message "Opened dired buffer for <dir>" when doing so?
> And...  bury it?  Or not?

Or optionally pop up a new Dired buffer on image navigation.
Or use commands from image-dired.el.  So many options...

Message #31 received at 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net>
Cc: 38647 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, ynyaaa <at> gmail.com
Subject: Re: bug#38647: 26.3; image-next-file does not consider archived images
Date: Thu, 06 Aug 2020 11:52:30 +0200

Juri Linkov <juri <at> linkov.net> writes:

>> Perhaps we can just make this all less surprising, and still have the
>> functionality, by just notifying the user.  (Or query?)  That is, if you
>> `n' in an image-mode buffer, and there's no dired (etc) buffer parent,
>> then just message "Opened dired buffer for <dir>" when doing so?
>> And...  bury it?  Or not?
>
> Or optionally pop up a new Dired buffer on image navigation.
> Or use commands from image-dired.el.  So many options...

I just made it message.

I've now implemented this, and it seems to work for me in normal
buffers, as well as archive mode and tar mode buffers.  I had to add a
couple helper functions to the latter two modes.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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