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They told that > > they > > are unwilling to include them as is, > > but would accept a wrapper thar forward to their > > adduser/addgroup > > implementation. > > I don't know which discussion you're referring to, and much might > have changed since 2016, but I read this[0] to mean the opposite: > Busybox should provide the shadow-compatible *add variants, and > reimplement their old add* as simple wrappers around that. That's > from an upstream(ish) person. > > =E2=80=9Cadduser/addgroup tend to be symlinks or wrappers, if they exis= t > at > all, but by and large are deprecated. busybox should implement > applets that mimic shadow here and deprecate the old ones, if > not > throw them out. although we can probably rename & massage the > sources in these cases=E2=80=9D > > Still, Busybox *add patches welcome, it would seem. We'll still > have to deal with this for the lifetime of the older version. Yes, I referred to this, but I might have misunderstood something. > > Kind regards, > > T G-R > > [0]: > http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2016-February/083909.html --=20 OpenPGP Key Fingerprint: 7988:3B9F:7D6A:4DBF:3719:0367:2506:A96C:CF63:0B21
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Full text available.Received: (at 39023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 19:58:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Jan 22 14:58:59 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51376 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iuM9T-0006RK-CS for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:58:59 -0500 Received: from tobias.gr ([80.241.217.52]:60320) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <me@HIDDEN>) id 1iuM9R-0006R7-Lk for 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 14:58:58 -0500 Received: by tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 5213fb9c; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 19:58:55 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=tobias.gr; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=2018; i=me@HIDDEN; bh=iNiu12BOusMhRDn+KsNPaK 9kd3HmU1++PW0TWL0Spco=; b=aN4cxRdb/Dqrgj9TfKGqNiVzXowFTg1Tx25gFK kf6fSwOLj/TMFPIYBvCgbzwaQnfUdJYNK0D9ZqowSQQ7mpv8n1FZ7VNOf9yi06pu CCekCzFesD67LywZPVPjMMXEZuMhAdhyFJWQGpcNWgfpCllRhLiDp7RRq0YfrmtZ b4QmZF3TadvdCVTN6P/CKTj7L3/+ewigXpWyDouyQmgwJGuaqO6OVuzU4jzRT8UG piSPzN/nR276NTxWgqHoN10jiAbqoCBzKllFLShWPGTl/zNetk9kMehSOJ1snfTI LtBHDP9wJ/4jSMRoRQLDXLpPqW5VhpNGGa9fREZ+cmh2beTA== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id ed922cbc (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 22 Jan 2020 19:58:48 +0000 (UTC) From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor?= Boskovits <boskovits@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#39023: binary installation manual doesn't work on Alpine Linux References: <4678e0a6a529877fee91a452424115c1@HIDDEN> <CAE4v=phMbf=PsT4zvrkRA3kCkemJuWQfR5ciA_JZbwJY1OR+Pg@HIDDEN> <87ftg89mfd.fsf@nckx> <CAE4v=phKi5WqOPu1zKvMp3fC+PKhscsdXoEm9NRY=29+_-X9Jg@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <CAE4v=phKi5WqOPu1zKvMp3fC+PKhscsdXoEm9NRY=29+_-X9Jg@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 20:58:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87lfpzfel9.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39023 Cc: symphonia@HIDDEN, 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G=C3=A1bor, G=C3=A1bor Boskovits =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Oops, I missed that. I'm suprised I haven't confused add* & *add once so far in this=20 thread :-) > There was some upstream discussion to get useradd and groupadd=20 > to > busybox upstream, > as this seems to be causing problems everywhere. They told that=20 > they > are unwilling to include them as is, > but would accept a wrapper thar forward to their=20 > adduser/addgroup > implementation. I don't know which discussion you're referring to, and much might=20 have changed since 2016, but I read this[0] to mean the opposite:=20 Busybox should provide the shadow-compatible *add variants, and=20 reimplement their old add* as simple wrappers around that. That's=20 from an upstream(ish) person. =E2=80=9Cadduser/addgroup tend to be symlinks or wrappers, if they exist= =20 at all, but by and large are deprecated. busybox should implement applets that mimic shadow here and deprecate the old ones, if=20 not throw them out. although we can probably rename & massage the sources in these cases=E2=80=9D Still, Busybox *add patches welcome, it would seem. We'll still=20 have to deal with this for the lifetime of the older version. 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Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont: 2020. jan= . 22., Sze, 4:53): > > G=C3=A1bor, > > G=C3=A1bor Boskovits =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > > <symphonia@HIDDEN> ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont: 2020. jan. 7., K, > > 22:32): > >> I suggest adding another example which works by default on > >> busybox. > > [=E2=80=A6] > > >> addgroup -S guixbuild > > [=E2=80=A6] > > > I assume that the command you gave would work on non-busybox > > also. I > > would say we should replace the > > command we have with this more compatible one. > > It doesn't even work on Guix: > > nckx@berlin ~$ adduser > -bash: adduser: command not found > > Kind regards, > I believe these can be implemented using simple manipulation of config file= s. Also useradd is part of the linux standard base, while adduser is not. We could add the busybox example, but it might be better to come up with something universal. There was some upstream discussion to get useradd and groupadd to busybox upstream, as this seems to be causing problems everywhere. They told that they are unwilling to include them as is, but would accept a wrapper thar forward to their adduser/addgroup implementation. > T G-R Best regards, g_bor --=20 OpenPGP Key Fingerprint: 7988:3B9F:7D6A:4DBF:3719:0367:2506:A96C:CF63:0B21
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Well, mixing the option a/ and b/. :-) - telling explicitly - providing copy/paste-able variant snippet Yes, it is a better option. > With a/, the user won't know which options to change, or how. > They might not understand our =E2=80=98useradd=E2=80=99 syntax, and won't= have its > man page installed. Yes, and they would not know neither if their foreign distro comes with exotic 'adduser/addgroup'. > As implied by my reply to G=C3=A1bor, b/ isn't an option so I've > snipped it. Yes, it is my assumption --based on my small experience-- that 'adduser/addgroup' is less portable than 'useradd/groupadd'. > I strongly prefer option d/. Let go to this one. :-) Hum? let see I am able to include the complete code snippet as an footnote using Texinfo... (Maybe someone will beat me. :-) > > What do the *NIX gurus think? > > GNU's not *NIX! :o) (Nor is it POSIX.) H=C3=A9h=C3=A9! Schr=C3=B6dinger's distro: by installing Guix on your forei= gn *NIX distro, the user will have in the same time "not *NIX" and *NIX. ;-) (Even if *NIX needs to run linux which mitigate the joke. :-))
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#39023; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 39023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 04:03:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 21 23:03:29 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48852 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iu7En-0008CS-Jg for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 23:03:29 -0500 Received: from tobias.gr ([80.241.217.52]:57936) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <me@HIDDEN>) id 1iu7El-0008CG-Id for 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 23:03:27 -0500 Received: by tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 77c00904; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:03:26 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=tobias.gr; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=2018; i=me@HIDDEN; bh=wz1A3w8SgaEkOUoBkx7u2K 9w66spCU72MhkNGGpDwjs=; b=QeAm87GvE63KdZ7/3oZdVAIQLOk74BH/jvg9Ae dS1g0PRh/FoyrfwaGLL8vpg6+3wOqn/WGAOnSXiQFkIwZb5qNmg9WTGBOvpMOVpq queAWlo9edPxOUHhg5swsPdjcx/QEg7paygus9uzY86mQ81/PjBvRRPKwfdFa93H xftD3nMKnGhOt3OubyNZkfXNJ/lzrriY14SjPxAoDrNpi3D7BBHUigjdTNRZNgmX cQ1SkOu1TGbBPF0+OxAkbOGAT8ck4THweHwomC+Hnvp0wUlYJJP5iicTQylPprXO yfRmJJi3TTK6k/Nd/kgzmHqMLYsMQyRO4Sm2LyXZWHw36SiQ== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id bf9b9e8b (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:03:26 +0000 (UTC) From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> To: 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#39023: adduser/addgroup vs useradd/groupadd References: <4678e0a6a529877fee91a452424115c1@HIDDEN> <CAJ3okZ0NKRzzisinoyPYUkAYcA0jYtzJekqjgKrHkWEYAn1VAA@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <CAJ3okZ0NKRzzisinoyPYUkAYcA0jYtzJekqjgKrHkWEYAn1VAA@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 05:03:27 +0100 Message-ID: <87eevs9lyo.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39023 Cc: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hullo Simon, zimoun =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > options: > > a/ explicitly notice in the parenthesis that the chunk needs to=20 > be > adapted; mentioning adduser/addgroup instead of useradd/groupadd=20 > for > example. There's also: c/ do nothing, or d/ include the complete code snippet provided by symphonia, but=20 as an =E2=80=98out-of-band=E2=80=99 footnote to avoid confusion/blind=20 copy-pasting/distracting the majority of (GNU) users with=20 irrelevant variants. With a/, the user won't know which options to change, or how.=20 They might not understand our =E2=80=98useradd=E2=80=99 syntax, and won't h= ave its=20 man page installed. As implied by my reply to G=C3=A1bor, b/ isn't an option so I've=20 snipped it. I strongly prefer option d/. > What do the *NIX gurus think? GNU's not *NIX! :o) (Nor is it POSIX.) Kind regards, T G-R --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEfo+u0AlEeO9y5k0W2Imw8BjFSTwFAl4nyY8ACgkQ2Imw8BjF STyt4A/+IbYUfMY8VfbIgMr6+T7qghGhBBkhX20Unv+OiuEwVCPhnvTb+hGrlZ82 BcNr5BzS2eC20dKCG7onuReJbxrhbeZ2wl5h5D4IqghGxARQpGh89+yjzJK6PHKC gbbfvnf3ERtgX148YaWggTytZME3csteUMmfOlchZNsvmZV7HEL1K3Y5L6HAAhAA JjzLvcPkxX5dN+MIYFPyYLIYZYkpGN5qqfmaUAHIQn1kFljioiw90nP2D3JNnnWS q55giWib29+p4eXVV1QjDKRfslQXKV55IXIu8Cj1h84seqOXQpE4CMKs/BUDhzBl uIjjGDCFrzeOp8fDCuw0T7USLTodZEGJ5Y1Hj40RFGI8eQMDG3jt09A+DEn26jUX nyAMkwEm6gPL1EAJ933zK7Elc+K8bhEm9cNjk9cl1JMHwx11vMIg4YHN3EqGF+wA KCSxWCx3zjWC4F8gn0F2Q4JZthfrzBT0TrfkCnyQQh1h7WfPYUZ2Faz0/RhFaNgC gJw5DTgBPd7FEDkEhP593QBA0O+zEDj7Aye1hly52OLyHy6yJ4i1NJB/f5iBVdq5 eHMaKcJmvZwds4ThNCvuTm9i2OjT8QzQQm3n2pbHPJilHCbIqQq3mCu0AVwt//6R 297xHg6KnJFIKlndeyoB9IqeyyKR5eTP4Mfd2aLlXT+wNCG9KOE= =B8VG -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
bug-guix@HIDDEN:bug#39023; Package guix.
Full text available.Received: (at 39023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 03:53:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 21 22:53:30 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48844 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iu758-0007u5-Cq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 22:53:30 -0500 Received: from tobias.gr ([80.241.217.52]:57670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <me@HIDDEN>) id 1iu756-0007tv-01 for 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 22:53:28 -0500 Received: by tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTP id 42287acc; Wed, 22 Jan 2020 03:53:25 +0000 (UTC) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed; d=tobias.gr; h=from:to:cc :subject:references:in-reply-to:date:message-id:mime-version :content-type; s=2018; i=me@HIDDEN; bh=Z+FzJkp+wKa/iFWZoFg5ea yVr4j2fvtZGvMIqUTwwi4=; b=PRa3BABy4/veDaNlo+VFH9y38rwe0FjUDP6dQ9 vMXbwiBlUm1wDFD9xPoB9LR64nQVSBEWcthkZGfliXaKidHWqo3Q6zv5sZcqfThu Y/NUxGg5rY6NDGnhEaR4fpm0HJu1YGfVjswy3zctGYQjDe2kgEGvTOBbDUg8TBHM LuE7Lrd7jbnfQDwDbNRr73eVmxjsz0OlgUuY7lUSFKDaT7GokjJY/7gFx8YlyRc2 /cHBOvmWZ/TEpYcN7auapo2bRpANL9AJRXAJkhrRMoMz8Vrf2jj9Cf+AxQ7lSFfY 3UXiP6aYl+2sJcdYZo4jFFIai7BncC4dG3i2FwMcYeePooMA== Received: by submission.tobias.gr (OpenSMTPD) with ESMTPSA id f54a0976 (TLSv1.3:TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256:NO); Wed, 22 Jan 2020 03:53:25 +0000 (UTC) From: Tobias Geerinckx-Rice <me@HIDDEN> To: 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#39023: binary installation manual doesn't work on Alpine Linux References: <4678e0a6a529877fee91a452424115c1@HIDDEN> <CAE4v=phMbf=PsT4zvrkRA3kCkemJuWQfR5ciA_JZbwJY1OR+Pg@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <CAE4v=phMbf=PsT4zvrkRA3kCkemJuWQfR5ciA_JZbwJY1OR+Pg@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 04:53:26 +0100 Message-ID: <87ftg89mfd.fsf@nckx> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/signed; boundary="=-=-="; micalg=pgp-sha512; protocol="application/pgp-signature" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39023 Cc: symphonia@HIDDEN, =?utf-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor?= Boskovits <boskovits@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) --=-=-= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable G=C3=A1bor, G=C3=A1bor Boskovits =E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > <symphonia@HIDDEN> ezt =C3=ADrta (id=C5=91pont: 2020. jan. 7., K,=20 > 22:32): >> I suggest adding another example which works by default on=20 >> busybox. [=E2=80=A6] >> addgroup -S guixbuild [=E2=80=A6] > I assume that the command you gave would work on non-busybox=20 > also. I > would say we should replace the > command we have with this more compatible one. It doesn't even work on Guix: nckx@berlin ~$ adduser -bash: adduser: command not found Kind regards, T G-R --=-=-= Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- iQIzBAEBCgAdFiEEfo+u0AlEeO9y5k0W2Imw8BjFSTwFAl4nxzYACgkQ2Imw8BjF STwpRxAAkhZn1gJNBx4jl2ecjj/VoFx1Jc/Kq+wqJMGsvQ2p303jZe0a/WQLv9IH Bl63wptq5rL92RHSmV3Qzr60jeM9Q7Kfe3FlASnh2Sl1TZDtVK8W/G5K6ojeKlXK 3jqYjSq1H8zZteTJoqZWSH2Q837Elf8nwOi7DJy2xXBGjo0fyC1rLVALpVHk05ms qUWWgDByVkHrA2yMh5JlskDgybilIWzk8TYn2ngoIU88Kleu+udwvzeF+TijdVAX 6i0jxAT0ptu/Y1m2Ze5jUlJgYUjbCw/vPw2nh1yLui3OUt7yyFyk6jCEvpvP4jjS 8GYpV3oaIHFelC8D7Xr0PARJXuU0x0HbIKVyWT5/6jQn8oSCJB7feVe6PVwdowyH bY0F2UrwJfrya8Y8/QbI6iH2MolvUxpOWxmhbfG3QcD9y6Q6OCPlbG+mGjGHM4vL DEGtnFOSsQnhyeW8F4lN2ZAhaVWLAm7HIpsAiB+ZvNJVxrrorrbUGAK3R/QZD+bb 9e40xdSE/ylqskpsaCiCLFNeqKYCyVu6jTTQOKOohtHgmbrZyrD+GLoFN5kb2oBl pZgtm56zUmUJ+qKYED6CyvfDUNcZqrxSxUSRF5BbJsVjQBe5J15FbOzmMZ76Jmbv 2C6OJn4HC4cEUPftopxovdArnHhiNLsTKpUd0e0l0kUNPuRaICs= =2i74 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-=-=--
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Full text available.Received: (at 39023) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Jan 2020 01:44:43 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 21 20:44:43 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48809 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iu54U-0004iW-Tk for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:44:43 -0500 Received: from mail-qv1-f46.google.com ([209.85.219.46]:44042) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN>) id 1iu54T-0004iJ-D3 for 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 20:44:41 -0500 Received: by mail-qv1-f46.google.com with SMTP id n8so2484518qvg.11 for <39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:44:41 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ojyooHVAxPyQcQhYLT1Sua1QSLMywoYEjFlHTeE8bcA=; b=gIUwbEtrb44rqf6pDDb2e5xTn/ASSSbMIVE0MwDWmsJ0vgYn7MyggwhUx99o8/PxvK WG1q7nuHV8SkZhi+M2pzwwk9dShkGy5IoUHt45pvFhx1xCTnXhgbWKY7FBvurm6VoHKp 3gYgeHd/kNTs4R8HY4RYrR0aF4b5496zttnvymzJ7hWmnP3kfNiBwrE1SyfQp+gMvaYC 8RzNhJCLXcWV5+r3G+9cRrNJF30ZEGaxSxSGvEOsZ0snGgSkY2vM8MKaZ1+5SZFO3dtZ SVWVvFh0hoxlOXZ4lVbTxDxMuUSnC/WWVhua8VWq6ARZ5RnQX0M3mdMm+1PqpGNfZuS3 WBKw== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=ojyooHVAxPyQcQhYLT1Sua1QSLMywoYEjFlHTeE8bcA=; b=mafcL+GSRajnxAu7Mh5j8W7iND7Da9klyB+vAfh8had78goQVgrjzrVGWxAaiPgaDt LWBzlOUnAdfhxJzY31mzliEC3b0OI7DX/ay5U9zLEc4ClwKeBT1t6i0zm20384bScj6s WB1pJlRwmyiSZVvJ/Up/NW9IaXb8Rs997bBFE2wVRElyd0ougDk/276AYDSkaSfHSNDz yXRTzgfiHF5NaF6ZEAYUpUCfepBDvXx8S3t+9W5U2bQk0q5qI2RTphkSEBAeM/jJlKMq 80CuhM8XquQby+gOWGTnqR7yUcVBzzTA1AZoCFEdivhUbPHB1Q/ycYrjc4vKPLDin7pS natw== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWBGac53W4tQ+3rFpcRYVA35GpeKgn0Lfv9IcZkEc1zujcpZCxF +lYpCl8ByJUrzPPSkvJXicKCcgbNA/7SIxEDgIMB4TYl X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqxM5VPUKMh4FlURpvxOg58nzO8x14ZG0Hm4n6kj4m1vXlP1A7YhEZk0W9BFPO6Vhjv5qTbzyiFRlyie89clzbE= X-Received: by 2002:ad4:46ce:: with SMTP id g14mr8104241qvw.67.1579657475618; Tue, 21 Jan 2020 17:44:35 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 From: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 22 Jan 2020 02:44:24 +0100 Message-ID: <CAJ3okZ0NKRzzisinoyPYUkAYcA0jYtzJekqjgKrHkWEYAn1VAA@HIDDEN> Subject: bug#39023: adduser/addgroup vs useradd/groupadd To: 39023 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, =?UTF-8?Q?G=C3=A1bor_Boskovits?= <boskovits@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 39023 Cc: symphonia@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Dear, The bug [1] reports that useradd/groupadd are not provided on BusyBox. And for example, they had this discussion [2]. [1] https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=39023 [2] http://lists.busybox.net/pipermail/busybox/2016-February/083907.html For example, on Debian, adduser is a Perl script calling useradd under the hood. And the current Guix manual says: << On a GNU/Linux system, a build user pool may be created like this (using Bash syntax and the shadow commands): >> where the parenthesis should be understood as: "adapt to your distribution". Two options: a/ explicitly notice in the parenthesis that the chunk needs to be adapted; mentioning adduser/addgroup instead of useradd/groupadd for example. b/ replace useradd/groupadd by adduser/addgroup using the corresponding options. The option b/ means that 'adduser/addgroup' is more portable (more chance to work on everywhere GNU/linux). I am not convinced. Personally, I am in favor for option a/. What do the *NIX gurus think? All the best, simon
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I would say we should replace the command we have with this more compatible one. I would wait for a few more responses, though. If that sounds good to you could you create a patch to that effect? Best regards, g_bor --=20 OpenPGP Key Fingerprint: 7988:3B9F:7D6A:4DBF:3719:0367:2506:A96C:CF63:0B21
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 7 Jan 2020 21:31:42 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Jan 07 16:31:42 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:49494 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1iowRy-0006QQ-0e for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:31:42 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:36477) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <symphonia@HIDDEN>) id 1iowQ4-0006Lt-Nm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:29:45 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33064) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <symphonia@HIDDEN>) id 1iowQ3-00023h-5c for bug-guix@HIDDEN; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:29:44 -0500 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.2 (2011-06-06) on eggs.gnu.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE, URIBL_BLOCKED autolearn=disabled version=3.3.2 Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <symphonia@HIDDEN>) id 1iowQ0-0006vk-Rm for bug-guix@HIDDEN; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:29:42 -0500 Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([178.21.23.139]:53684) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <symphonia@HIDDEN>) id 1iowQ0-0006t5-92 for bug-guix@HIDDEN; Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:29:40 -0500 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by disroot.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7C4B9237F6 for <bug-guix@HIDDEN>; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 22:29:38 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at disroot.org Received: from knopi.disroot.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (disroot.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id ntza9bp1kjTE for <bug-guix@HIDDEN>; Tue, 7 Jan 2020 22:29:37 +0100 (CET) Mime-Version: 1.0 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=disroot.org; s=mail; t=1578432577; bh=ogl0qtqVbmJnjLQwO3+13exL04DtJHJKpz4TjoAgPtQ=; h=Date:From:Subject:To; b=Iyw9HvpefuVfOXgwuvJr28REG5DQkxFWTrpegsLj8yaTLuvAYziCYcfKiIGfBd8Zn z/uqSeTicSKCCNooj2Jr+r6QclA5jQAtzB7ZospVCt5mmirziHE5ByF8tOCPFESpUw yJBeV43kvoQAwaSwrX0osVRfBSQ+EHFPU5VY6CrC3PsyQT1BOQgy9e3W6UiSOgQtKF nylfrc8empmIciat+5eeCvfKOieYQ5iZ6zyt8kh00vLEUBvb04EHjvJzmoaIsZM6DR 6IYzjjnRdHxbMxAfmUmC0rXtrpkPHxevy4eW1ZxHWo63ed5aPsaY+PBWjs1ZGz54Lv Ry5nUdfCuyVPQ== Date: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 21:29:36 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable From: symphonia@HIDDEN Message-ID: <4678e0a6a529877fee91a452424115c1@HIDDEN> Subject: binary installation manual doesn't work on Alpine Linux To: bug-guix@HIDDEN X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 178.21.23.139 X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-Mailman-Approved-At: Tue, 07 Jan 2020 16:31:40 -0500 X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) The commands in https://guix.gnu.org/manual/en/guix.html#Build-Environmen= t-Setup=0Ado not work on busybox-based systems such as Alpine Linux by de= fault.=0AThis is because they do not have 'groupadd' or 'useradd' by defa= ult (from 'shadow' package).=0A=0A# groupadd --system guixbuild=0A# for i= in `seq -w 1 10`;=0A do=0A useradd -g guixbuild -G guixbuild = \=0A -d /var/empty -s `which nologin` \=0A -c= "Guix build user $i" --system \=0A guixbuilder$i;=0A done= =0A=0AI suggest adding another example which works by default on busybox.= =0AExplanation: -S means 'add system group/user'; -h is 'home directory';= -g is 'GECOS field'=0AAlso, Alpine Linux fails to boot if /var/empty is = not owned by root, so that needs to be fixed afterward as well.=0A=0Aaddg= roup -S guixbuild=0Afor i in `seq -w 1 10`;=0Ado=0Aadduser -G guixbuild \= =0A-h /var/empty -s `which nologin` \=0A-g "Guix build user $i" -S \=0Agu= ixbuilder$i;=0Adone=0Achown root:root /var/empty # /var/empty must be own= ed by root, fix permission after `adduser` modified it
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