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When I open a remote ssh file and connect to the server for the first
time, Tramp offers to save the password in ~/.authinfo even if the file
~/.authinfo.gpg exists and is already loaded (by some other package like
Gnus).

Response from Michael Albinus on the subject:
> The default value of auth-sources is '("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg"
> "~/.netrc")

> I suppose that auth-source checks one file after the other whether it
> exist, when searching for a password. But when it wants to save the
> password, it seems to take the first entry in auth-sources, instead of
> checking, whether one of the files exist (and use this one).

> In your case, I recommend to change the value of auth-sources to just
> '("~/.authinfo.gpg")

> However, this seems to be a bug in auth-source.el.


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Pankaj Jangid <p4j@HIDDEN> writes:

> When I open a remote ssh file and connect to the server for the first
> time, Tramp offers to save the password in ~/.authinfo even if the file
> ~/.authinfo.gpg exists and is already loaded (by some other package like
> Gnus).

Do you also have a ~/.authinfo file?  If you have both, it'll offer to
save it into the first one in 

>> The default value of auth-sources is '("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg"
>> "~/.netrc")

this variable.

If not, can you `(setq debug-on-quit t)', and then hit `C-g' when it
offers to save in ~/.authinfo?  That should give us an idea what's going
wrong here.


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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

>> When I open a remote ssh file and connect to the server for the first
>> time, Tramp offers to save the password in ~/.authinfo even if the file
>> ~/.authinfo.gpg exists and is already loaded (by some other package like
>> Gnus).
>
> Do you also have a ~/.authinfo file?  If you have both, it'll offer to
> save it into the first one in=20
>
>>> The default value of auth-sources is '("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg"
>>> "~/.netrc")
>
> this variable.
>
> If not, can you `(setq debug-on-quit t)', and then hit `C-g' when it
> offers to save in ~/.authinfo?  That should give us an idea what's going
> wrong here.

Today, after getting your email, when I tried it again, there was a
completely different flow.

I connected to a new machine via =E2=80=98/ssh:u@ip:~/hello.txt=E2=80=99. S=
ince the
entry was not there in my =E2=80=98~/.authinfo.gpg=E2=80=99, it asked for p=
assword. But
tramp did not ask me to save the password. I am on (master).

I tried following configurations:

1. With my customised auth-sources which is set to
   ("~/.authinfo.gpg") and only ~/.authinfo.gpg exists
2. With my customised auth-sources which is set to
   ("~/.authinfo.gpg") and both ~/.authinfo.gpg and ~/.authinfo exist
3. With default value, which is
   ("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg" "~/.netrc") and only ~/.authinfo.gpg
   exists
4. With default value, which is
   ("~/.authinfo" "~/.authinfo.gpg" "~/.netrc") and both ~/.authinfo.gpg
   and ~/.authinfo exist

Same behaviour in all cases. Tramp is no longer asking to save the
password.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

>> Same behaviour in all cases. Tramp is no longer asking to save the
>> password.
>
> I'm not sure whether Tramp is supposed to (or not)?  I've added Michael
> to the CCs.

Tramp is involved indirectly only in this flow. If auth-source-search
returns a password save-function, it calls it.

Best regards, Michael.

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

>>> Same behaviour in all cases. Tramp is no longer asking to save the
>>> password.
>>
>> I'm not sure whether Tramp is supposed to (or not)?  I've added Michael
>> to the CCs.
>
> Tramp is involved indirectly only in this flow. If auth-source-search
> returns a password save-function, it calls it.

I tested this now with Emacs 28 (and without ssh-agent).  When saying:

C-x C-f /ssh:stories:

and filling in user name and passphrase to my ssh key, Emacs asked
whether to save the info to ~/.authinfo (which is correct behaviour in
my case, since I have .authinfo and not .authinfo.gpg).

But that doesn't happen with "emacs -Q".  Hm...  Oh, it also asks for a
user name in the non-Q case?  Is "-Q" inhibiting usage of ~/.authinfo?
Hm...  Backtrace in -Q case:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (minibuffer-quit "")
  signal(minibuffer-quit (""))
  tramp-error((tramp-file-name "ssh" nil nil "stories" nil "" nil) minibuffer-q$
  tramp-signal-hook-function(minibuffer-quit nil)
  signal(minibuffer-quit nil)
  #f(compiled-function () #<bytecode 0x1f41089b8ac3>)()
  read-string("Passphrase for /ssh:stories: " nil t nil)
  read-passwd("Passphrase for /ssh:stories: ")
  password-read("Passphrase for /ssh:stories: " "/ssh:stories:")
  tramp-read-passwd(#<process *tramp/ssh stories*>)
  tramp-action-password(#<process *tramp/ssh stories*> (tramp-file-name "ssh" 
  tramp-process-one-action(#<process *tramp/ssh stories*> (tramp-file-name "ss
  tramp-process-actions(#<process *tramp/ssh stories*> (tramp-file-name "ssh" 
  tramp-maybe-open-connection((tramp-file-name "ssh" nil nil "stories" nil "" 
  tramp-send-command((tramp-file-name "ssh" nil nil "stories" nil "" nil) "cd 

Backtrace in -Q case:

Debugger entered--Lisp error: (minibuffer-quit "")
  signal(minibuffer-quit (""))
  tramp-error((tramp-file-name "ssh" nil nil "stories" nil "" nil) minibuffer-
  tramp-signal-hook-function(minibuffer-quit nil)
  signal(minibuffer-quit nil)
  #f(compiled-function () #<bytecode 0x1f41089b8ac3>)()
  read-string("ssh user name for stories (default larsi): " nil nil "larsi")
  auth-source-netrc-create(:backend #<auth-source-backend auth-source-backend-
  apply(auth-source-netrc-create (:backend #<auth-source-backend auth-source-b
  auth-source-netrc-search(:backend #<auth-source-backend auth-source-backend-
  apply(auth-source-netrc-search :backend #<auth-source-backend auth-source-ba
  auth-source-search-backends((#<auth-source-backend auth-source-backend-157a4
  auth-source-search(:max 1 nil nil :host "stories" :port "ssh" :require (:sec
  tramp-read-passwd(#<process *tramp/ssh stories*>)

So the prompting comes from 

(auth-source-search :max 1 nil nil :host "stories" :port "ssh" :require '(:secret) :create t)

in tramp-read-passwd, but that's apparently not called with -Q?  (I'm
having troubles edebugging that function, because it bugs out if I try
to do that.)

-- 
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Lars,

> I tested this now with Emacs 28 (and without ssh-agent).  When saying:
>
> C-x C-f /ssh:stories:
>
> and filling in user name and passphrase to my ssh key, Emacs asked
> whether to save the info to ~/.authinfo (which is correct behaviour in
> my case, since I have .authinfo and not .authinfo.gpg).
>
> But that doesn't happen with "emacs -Q".  Hm...  Oh, it also asks for a
> user name in the non-Q case?  Is "-Q" inhibiting usage of ~/.authinfo?

Yes, this is intended. When instructing users to hunt Tramp bugs, wrong
passwords have been in the way, several times. That's why the call to
auth-source-search is disabled when calling "emacs -Q". This is
documented in the Tramp manual, node "(tramp) Bug Reports".

If you want to debug tramp-read-passwd calling auth-source-search, you
can do the trick by

# emacs -Q --eval '(setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t)'

It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.

Best regards, Michael.

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> Yes, this is intended. When instructing users to hunt Tramp bugs, wrong
> passwords have been in the way, several times. That's why the call to
> auth-source-search is disabled when calling "emacs -Q". This is
> documented in the Tramp manual, node "(tramp) Bug Reports".
>=20
> If you want to debug tramp-read-passwd calling auth-source-search, you
> can do the trick by
>=20
> # emacs -Q --eval '(setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t)'
>=20
> It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
> comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.

Note that this is (was) breaking async.el see
https://github.com/jwiegley/emacs-async/issues/80.

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> Yes, this is intended. When instructing users to hunt Tramp bugs, wrong
> passwords have been in the way, several times. That's why the call to
> auth-source-search is disabled when calling "emacs -Q". This is
> documented in the Tramp manual, node "(tramp) Bug Reports".

Ah, I see.

Perhaps this should also be mentioned in, for instance, the "Startup
Summary" node in the lispref manual?

> If you want to debug tramp-read-passwd calling auth-source-search, you
> can do the trick by
>
> # emacs -Q --eval '(setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t)'
>
> It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
> comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.

Thanks; then everything here seems to be working as intended -- at least
in my tests.  Pankaj -- were you testing with "-Q"?  As far as I can
tell, Emacs is prompting and saving passwords properly with Emacs 28.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Lars,

> Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Yes, this is intended. When instructing users to hunt Tramp bugs, wrong
>> passwords have been in the way, several times. That's why the call to
>> auth-source-search is disabled when calling "emacs -Q". This is
>> documented in the Tramp manual, node "(tramp) Bug Reports".
>
> Ah, I see.
>
> Perhaps this should also be mentioned in, for instance, the "Startup
> Summary" node in the lispref manual?

This is a special config for Tramp only, there's no need to have it in
the lispref manual. I had to explain it two or three times the last 20
years. And now we have the comment in tramp.el, so it shall be obvious
what to do.

Best regards, Michael.

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Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Thierry,

>> It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
>> comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.
>
> Note that this is (was) breaking async.el see
> https://github.com/jwiegley/emacs-async/issues/80.

I see. Do you believe we shall spend a variable, which could control
this behavior (and could be let-bound in async.el)?

Best regards, Michael.

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Hello Michael,

Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

> Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN> writes:
>
> Hi Thierry,
>
>>> It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
>>> comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.
>>
>> Note that this is (was) breaking async.el see
>> https://github.com/jwiegley/emacs-async/issues/80.
>
> I see. Do you believe we shall spend a variable, which could control
> this behavior (and could be let-bound in async.el)?

Hmm, I have no strong opinion on this, we are now using -q instead of -Q
and it seems to work fine. If emacs -q is loading much slower than with
=2DQ, so yes this would be a good reason for introducing a variable but I
have no clue it is true.

Thanks.

=2D-=20
Thierry

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Thierry Volpiatto <thievol@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hello Michael,

Hi Thierry,

>> I see. Do you believe we shall spend a variable, which could control
>> this behavior (and could be let-bound in async.el)?
>
> Hmm, I have no strong opinion on this, we are now using -q instead of -Q
> and it seems to work fine. If emacs -q is loading much slower than with
> -Q, so yes this would be a good reason for introducing a variable but I
> have no clue it is true.

OK, so we let it as it is.

> Thanks.

Best regards, Michael.

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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

>> If you want to debug tramp-read-passwd calling auth-source-search, you
>> can do the trick by
>>
>> # emacs -Q --eval '(setq tramp-cache-read-persistent-data t)'
>>
>> It's a dirty trick to be applied only for this use case. I've added a
>> comment to tramp-read-passwd explaining this, pushed to master.
>
> Thanks; then everything here seems to be working as intended -- at least
> in my tests.  Pankaj -- were you testing with "-Q"?  As far as I can
> tell, Emacs is prompting and saving passwords properly with Emacs 28.

I have tried to redo this using =E2=80=98emacs -Q=E2=80=99 as well as witho=
ut using the
option =E2=80=98-Q=E2=80=99. Emacs is not asking to save the password in my=
 auth file,
in both the cases.

Value of =E2=80=98auth-sources=E2=80=99 is currently set to ("~/.authinfo.g=
pg").

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Pankaj Jangid <p4j@HIDDEN> writes:

> I have tried to redo this using =E2=80=98emacs -Q=E2=80=99 as well as wit=
hout using the
> option =E2=80=98-Q=E2=80=99. Emacs is not asking to save the password in =
my auth file,
> in both the cases.
>
> Value of =E2=80=98auth-sources=E2=80=99 is currently set to ("~/.authinfo=
.gpg").

Man...  the other day, when I tested this, Emacs was definitely asking
whether to save the credentials (when not using -Q).  Today it's not,
and I'm not sure what I'm doing different...  Hm...

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(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Lars,

> Man...  the other day, when I tested this, Emacs was definitely asking
> whether to save the credentials (when not using -Q).  Today it's not,
> and I'm not sure what I'm doing different...  Hm...

Perhaps setting auth-source-debug gives more information?

Best regards, Michael.

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Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN> writes:

> Perhaps setting auth-source-debug gives more information?

Unfortunately not.  This is the most confusing behaviour I've ever seen
in Emacs -- it does prompt if I edebug certain auth-source functions,
so I added a bunch of messages to see where it...  gives out.  And:

(defun auth-source-netrc-saver (file add)

[...]

        ;; Ask AFTER we've successfully opened the file.
        (let ((prompt (format "Save auth info to file %s? " file))
              (done (not (eq auth-source-save-behavior 'ask)))
              (bufname "*auth-source Help*")
              k)
          (message "hello 3 %s %s" auth-source-save-behavior done)
          (while (not done)
            (message "hello 3.5")
            (setq k (auth-source-read-char-choice prompt '(?y ?n ?N ?e ??)))
            (message "hello 4 %s" k)

Tramp: Opening connection nil for larsi@stories using ssh...
hello 2 nil
hello 3 ~/.authinfo
hello 3 ask nil
hello 3.5
Tramp: Opening connection nil for larsi@stories using ssh...done

So we're getting all the way to `auth-source-read-char-choice' (which
just does a read-char-choice), but not to the next statement.

Is something making read-char-choice bug out, but in a way that's caught
by Tramp (or something else), so we just continue?  debug-on-signal
doesn't help, either.

Very confusing.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
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> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sun, 05 Sep 2021 10:40:06 +0200
> Cc: Pankaj Jangid <p4j@HIDDEN>, 39111 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> 
> Tramp: Opening connection nil for larsi@stories using ssh...
> hello 2 nil
> hello 3 ~/.authinfo
> hello 3 ask nil
> hello 3.5
> Tramp: Opening connection nil for larsi@stories using ssh...done
> 
> So we're getting all the way to `auth-source-read-char-choice' (which
> just does a read-char-choice), but not to the next statement.
> 
> Is something making read-char-choice bug out, but in a way that's caught
> by Tramp (or something else), so we just continue?  debug-on-signal
> doesn't help, either.

Could be an error or a throw?

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>> by Tramp (or something else), so we just continue?  debug-on-signal
>> doesn't help, either.
>
> Could be an error or a throw?

`debug-on-signal' set to t doesn't reveal anything, so it must be a
throw, I think?

It has something to do with the new way that `read-char-choice' uses the
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So we have the prompt for find-file, and then at the same time, we have
the prompt for whether to save the password.

It also works when

(setq enable-recursive-minibuffers t)



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So...  should `read-char-choice' bind `enable-recursive-minibuffers' if
`read-char-choice-use-read-key' is nil?  Because by default, these
scenarios don't work now.  (That is, using `read-char-choice' from a
command that has the minibuffer open.)

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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: control message for bug #39111
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