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emacs -Q
`M-x customize-option default-frame-alist'
Click `INS'.
Enter `cursor-color' for field `Parameter: '.
Put cursor at beginning of field `Value: ', and delete the default
value, `nil'.
Use `M-TAB' (or `ESC TAB').
You get this error/message: "Not in an editable field".
Two parts to this report. The first is a bug; the second is an
enhancement request for handling of option `default-frame-alist' and
other frame-alist options.
1. That message is incorrect. The cursor is definitely in an editable
field. (Same incorrect message if you first type `Blu', then `M-TAB'.)
2. Emacs should provide reasonable completion for both fields,
`Parameter' and `Value', for `default-frame-alist'.
2a. Completion can be lax for `Parameter', providing candidates that are
predefined parameters, but letting you enter other values too.
2b. Completion can perhaps be strict for `Value' for some known
parameters, but it would probably be better if it were lax in all cases,
unless there is a strict requirement about the possible values in some
case.
In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32)
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2020 09:54:58 -0800 (PST)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
>
> emacs -Q
>
> `M-x customize-option default-frame-alist'
>
> Click `INS'.
>
> Enter `cursor-color' for field `Parameter: '.
>
> Put cursor at beginning of field `Value: ', and delete the default
> value, `nil'.
>
> Use `M-TAB' (or `ESC TAB').
>
> You get this error/message: "Not in an editable field".
In Emacs 27 get the message "No completions available for this field"
instead. So this problem is already solved.
> 1. That message is incorrect. The cursor is definitely in an editable
> field. (Same incorrect message if you first type `Blu', then `M-TAB'.)
This part is already solved.
> 2. Emacs should provide reasonable completion for both fields,
> `Parameter' and `Value', for `default-frame-alist'.
It does provide completions for Parameter, although it's debatable
whether they are "reasonable".
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> > You get this error/message: "Not in an editable field".
> > 1. That message is incorrect. The cursor is definitely in an
> > editable field.
>=20
> In Emacs 27 get the message "No completions available for this field"
> instead. So this problem is already solved.
Good. Thanks for the quick reply.
> > 2. Emacs should provide reasonable completion for both fields,
> > `Parameter' and `Value', for `default-frame-alist'.
>=20
> It does provide completions for Parameter, although it's debatable
> whether they are "reasonable".
I guess you mean in Emacs 27. (Not in Emacs 26, AFAICT.)
Trying an Emacs 27 snapshot from 2019-12-28, it seems
that the completion is reasonable enough.
So this report can be classified as an enhancement request
that we provide some (lax) completion for `Value'. Thx.
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Hi Drew,
Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes:
>> > 2. Emacs should provide reasonable completion for both fields,
>> > `Parameter' and `Value', for `default-frame-alist'.
>>
>> It does provide completions for Parameter, although it's debatable
>> whether they are "reasonable".
> Trying an Emacs 27 snapshot from 2019-12-28, it seems
> that the completion is reasonable enough.
Improving completion for Parameter should be pretty easy, provided we
have a list of all the parameters that have special meanings (and maybe
filter them to only keep the ones that make sense to customize via
default-frame-alist, initial-frame-alist, etc.).
For example:
(defconst frame--special-parameters
'("alpha" "alpha-background" "auto-hide-function" "auto-lower"
"auto-raise" "background-color" "background-mode" "border-color"
"border-width" "bottom-divider-width" "bottom-visible" "buffer-list"
"buffer-predicate" "child-frame-border-width" "cursor-color"
"cursor-type" "delete-before" "display" "display-type"
"drag-internal-border" "drag-with-header-line" "drag-with-mode-line"
"drag-with-tab-line" "explicit-name" "fit-frame-to-buffer-margins"
"fit-frame-to-buffer-sizes" "font" "font-backend" "foreground-color"
"fullscreen" "fullscreen-restore" "height" "horizontal-scroll-bars"
"icon-left" "icon-name" "icon-top" "icon-type"
"inhibit-double-buffering" "internal-border-width" "keep-ratio"
"left" "left-fringe" "line-spacing" "menu-bar-lines" "min-height"
"min-width" "minibuffer" "minibuffer-exit" "mouse-color"
"mouse-wheel-frame" "name" "no-accept-focus" "no-focus-on-map"
"no-other-frame" "no-special-glyphs" "ns-appearance"
"ns-transparent-titlebar" "outer-window-id" "override-redirect"
"parent-frame" "right-fringe" "rigth-divider-width" "screen-gamma"
"scroll-bar-background" "scroll-bar-foreground" "scroll-bar-height"
"scroll-bar-width" "shaded" "skip-taskbar" "snap-width" "sticky"
"tab-bar-lines" "title" "tool-bar-lines" "tool-bar-position" "top"
"top-visible" "tty-color-mode" "undecorated" "unspittable"
"use-frame-synchronization" "user-position" "user-size"
"vertical-scroll-bars" "visibility" "wait-for-wm" "width" "z-group")
"List of special frame parameters that makes sense to Customize.")
(defcustom initial-frame-alist nil
"Alist of parameters for the initial window-system (a.k.a. \"GUI\")
frame.
..."
:type `(repeat (cons :format "%v"
(symbol :tag "Parameter"
:completions ,frame--special-parameters)
(sexp :tag "Value")))
:group 'frames)
I built the list by looking at the manual. It's possible I've omitted
something important or added something irrelevant, since I've never
customized this, I think.
But anyway, this shows we can easily improve completion for Parameter
and I can submit a patch for it if desired.
> So this report can be classified as an enhancement request
> that we provide some (lax) completion for `Value'. Thx.
Now this part is tricky, because completion candidates would have to
depend on the value of Parameter.
I see two alternatives:
1) Provide completion based on the parameter's value, by coding a complete
function that checks the parameter's value and gives suitable
candidates. This wouldn't benefit a lot of the parameters, but it does
improve the situation.
2) Improve the customization experience by using a "dynamic" cons, which
adapts the second type (currently sexp) depending on the value of the
first type (the symbol). This is something I did for the
customize-dirlocals command.
So, for example:
If the parameter is "fullscreen", then the second type will be a choice
widget with "fullwidth", "fullheight", "fullboth", "maximized" choices.
If the parameter is "width", then the second type will be a choice
widget with options: integer, cons, float.
And so on.
But I do worry that the added complexity would turn into a downside for
this alternative.
I can work on patches for both alternatives (I prefer the 2nd one), but
I'd like to hear opinions about this. Thanks.
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Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hi Mauro,
>
> Thanks for looking into this. I'd completely forgotten about it.
>
> I do think that improving completion for Customize thingies could
> encourage more use of the Customize UI.
>
> I think everything you said and suggested sounds good. I agree about
> the double-edged sword of the added complexity - not just for the
> coding but also for users.
>
> Parameter-specific completion can really help, but with different
> kinds of parameters some users might get confused by the different
> kinds of completion for them.
>
> Overall, I think it would be a definite improvement. And with some
> completion "frameworks" (and perhaps even with some ~recent vanilla
> Emacs improvements?) users could maybe get interactive help on the
> completion possibilities.
>
> Anything you find you can do to improve this will be welcome. Use
> your own judgment; it'll be fine, I'm sure.
Thanks Drew.
The attached patch is alternative 1: Provide better completion for
Parameter and provide completion for Value when we know the
alternatives. I think it is an improvement, and it doesn't make the UI
more complex, which alternative 2 does.
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> The attached patch is alternative 1: Provide better completion for
> Parameter and provide completion for Value when we know the
> alternatives. I think it is an improvement, and it doesn't make the UI
> more complex, which alternative 2 does.
Thanks. I think we should install this, but I wonder how can we make
sure that whenever a new frame-parameter is added, the list in
frame--special-parameters will be considered for updating?
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>> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 10:28:13 -0300
>> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
>>
>> The attached patch is alternative 1: Provide better completion for
>> Parameter and provide completion for Value when we know the
>> alternatives. I think it is an improvement, and it doesn't make the UI
>> more complex, which alternative 2 does.
>
> Thanks. I think we should install this, but I wonder how can we make
> sure that whenever a new frame-parameter is added, the list in
> frame--special-parameters will be considered for updating?
Thanks Eli. I don't know of any good way to make sure of that, other
than adding a comment to frame_parms in frame.c.
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>
> On 9/3/25 06:45, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> >> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 10:28:13 -0300
> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
> >> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
> >>
> >> The attached patch is alternative 1: Provide better completion for
> >> Parameter and provide completion for Value when we know the
> >> alternatives. I think it is an improvement, and it doesn't make the UI
> >> more complex, which alternative 2 does.
> >
> > Thanks. I think we should install this, but I wonder how can we make
> > sure that whenever a new frame-parameter is added, the list in
> > frame--special-parameters will be considered for updating?
>
> Thanks Eli. I don't know of any good way to make sure of that, other
> than adding a comment to frame_parms in frame.c.
A comment is good, but please add comments in both places
cross-referencing the other place.
Thanks.
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On 9/3/25 08:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 08:08:57 -0300
>> Cc: drew.adams@HIDDEN, 39143 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
>>
>> On 9/3/25 06:45, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> >> Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2025 10:28:13 -0300
>> >> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
>> >> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
>> >>
>> >> The attached patch is alternative 1: Provide better completion for
>> >> Parameter and provide completion for Value when we know the
>> >> alternatives. I think it is an improvement, and it doesn't make
the UI
>> >> more complex, which alternative 2 does.
>> >
>> > Thanks. I think we should install this, but I wonder how can we make
>> > sure that whenever a new frame-parameter is added, the list in
>> > frame--special-parameters will be considered for updating?
>>
>> Thanks Eli. I don't know of any good way to make sure of that, other
>> than adding a comment to frame_parms in frame.c.
>
> A comment is good, but please add comments in both places
> cross-referencing the other place.
I attach the updated patch.
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> >> Thanks Eli. I don't know of any good way to make sure of that, other
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> > A comment is good, but please add comments in both places
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> I attach the updated patch.
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On 9/3/25 12:15, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
>> Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2025 11:30:38 -0300
>> Cc: drew.adams@HIDDEN, 39143 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> From: Mauro Aranda <maurooaranda@HIDDEN>
>>
>> >> Thanks Eli. I don't know of any good way to make sure of that,
other
>> >> than adding a comment to frame_parms in frame.c.
>> >
>> > A comment is good, but please add comments in both places
>> > cross-referencing the other place.
>>
>> I attach the updated patch.
>
> Thanks, LGTM.
Great, thanks.
Pushed to master, and closing the bug.
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