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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::82c X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) --000000000000fce902059caa1202 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Elisp symbolp does not think nil is a symbol, which it is in Emacs Elisp. Fixing this should not affect Scheme's symbol? predicate. --000000000000fce902059caa1202 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" <div dir="ltr"><div>Elisp symbolp does not think nil is a symbol, which it is in Emacs Elisp. Fixing this should not affect Scheme's symbol? predicate.</div><div></div></div> --000000000000fce902059caa1202--
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[109.90.125.150]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id n17sm2016304eds.72.2021.05.13.03.22.39 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Thu, 13 May 2021 03:22:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Taylan Kammer <taylan.kammer@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <6f61e272-ffeb-db15-37f2-a85e22e8f640@HIDDEN> Date: Thu, 13 May 2021 12:22:37 +0200 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.10.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="------------5642C8B3351B34C197FF8E8D" Content-Language: en-US X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) This is a multi-part message in MIME format. --------------5642C8B3351B34C197FF8E8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Interesting issue. Was also not fixed in bipt's wip-elisp branch. Attached is a patch that attempts to fix this, and some related issues, both for nil and for t. The strategy is: 1. All Elisp functions we implement in terms of Scheme must be written to special-handle #nil and #t if they accept symbols as arguments. (Examples: symbolp, symbol-name, set, makunbound) 2. The Elisp function 'intern' must special-handle "nil" and "t". This patch, to realize nr. 1, turns #nil and #t into the Scheme symbols 'nil and 't internally in some situations, but makes sure not to return those symbols, which are of course not equivalent to the #nil and #t values. The Elisp reader already turns nil and t into #nil and #t, but we should probably also write a custom Elisp writer that writes them back as nil and t. I see you have a separate bug report open for that issue (https://bugs.gnu.org/39220) and I think we can keep the two issues separate so no attempt to touch on that in this patch. - Taylan --------------5642C8B3351B34C197FF8E8D Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; name="0001-In-elisp-nil-and-t-are-symbols.patch" Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64 Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="0001-In-elisp-nil-and-t-are-symbols.patch" RnJvbSA0YTRkMzZiYWZjY2UxNWJmMmVkZGMzMGI0ZjVhYjdjZWQ5YWQ5Zjg3IE1vbiBTZXAg MTcgMDA6MDA6MDAgMjAwMQpGcm9tOiBUYXlsYW4gS2FtbWVyIDx0YXlsYW4ua2FtbWVyQGdt YWlsLmNvbT4KRGF0ZTogVGh1LCAxMyBNYXkgMjAyMSAxMjowMzozNyArMDIwMApTdWJqZWN0 OiBbUEFUQ0hdIEluIGVsaXNwLCAjbmlsIGFuZCAjdCBhcmUgc3ltYm9scy4KCi0tLQogbW9k dWxlL2xhbmd1YWdlL2VsaXNwL2Jvb3QuZWwgICAgIHwgIDYgKy0KIG1vZHVsZS9sYW5ndWFn ZS9lbGlzcC9ydW50aW1lLnNjbSB8IDk3ICsrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKysrKy0tLS0tLS0t LS0KIDIgZmlsZXMgY2hhbmdlZCwgNjkgaW5zZXJ0aW9ucygrKSwgMzQgZGVsZXRpb25zKC0p 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