Package: emacs;
Reported by: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 17:07:02 UTC
Severity: wishlist
Tags: wontfix
Found in version 26.3
Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
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From: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org Subject: 26.3; Customize buffer does not show type expected Date: Tue, 03 Mar 2020 18:06:25 +0100
The title already explains the bug. It would be great if the customize buffer shows which type of variable is expected. Although the :type keyword is included in the defcustom declaration, it is not shown in the customization buffer which type is expected. If the wrong type is filled in then the only error message given is "(mismatch)". Quite some package writers do not - additionally - document their variables. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 3, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.13) of 2019-12-15 built on daniel-fedora Windowing system distributor 'Fedora Project', version 11.0.12006000 System Description: Fedora release 31 (Thirty One) Recent messages: Writing Emacs custom settings to dotfile... Saving file /home/dalanicolai/Sync/.spacemacs... Wrote /home/dalanicolai/Sync/.spacemacs Quit Creating customization items... Creating customization items ...done Resetting customization items...done Creating customization setup...done Mark set ESC ESC M-m is undefined Quit Configured using: 'configure --with-imagemagick --with-modules' Configured features: XPM JPEG TIFF GIF PNG RSVG IMAGEMAGICK SOUND DBUS GSETTINGS GLIB NOTIFY LIBSELINUX GNUTLS LIBXML2 FREETYPE XFT ZLIB TOOLKIT_SCROLL_BARS GTK3 X11 XDBE XIM MODULES THREADS LCMS2 Important settings: value of $LANG: en_US.UTF-8 value of $XMODIFIERS: @im=ibus locale-coding-system: utf-8-unix Major mode: Spacemacs buffer Minor modes in effect: eval-sexp-fu-flash-mode: t flycheck-pos-tip-mode: t global-flycheck-mode: t global-evil-surround-mode: t evil-surround-mode: t yas-global-mode: t yas-minor-mode: t show-smartparens-global-mode: t show-smartparens-mode: t pupo-mode: t purpose-mode: t evil-escape-mode: t global-display-line-numbers-mode: t projectile-mode: t recentf-mode: t global-magit-file-mode: t diff-auto-refine-mode: t global-git-commit-mode: t async-bytecomp-package-mode: t winner-mode: t winum-mode: t global-vi-tilde-fringe-mode: t spaceline-info-mode: t save-place-mode: t savehist-mode: t persp-mode: t global-hl-todo-mode: t global-fasd-mode: t eyebrowse-mode: t global-anzu-mode: t anzu-mode: t editorconfig-mode: t counsel-mode: t ivy-mode: t clean-aindent-mode: t which-key-mode: t override-global-mode: t global-undo-tree-mode: t undo-tree-mode: t shell-dirtrack-mode: t evil-mode: t evil-local-mode: t spacemacs-leader-override-mode: t global-spacemacs-leader-override-mode: t global-hl-line-mode: t xterm-mouse-mode: t global-auto-revert-mode: t ido-vertical-mode: t global-page-break-lines-mode: t page-break-lines-mode: t global-eldoc-mode: t electric-indent-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t buffer-read-only: t column-number-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Load-path 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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com, 39887 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#39887: 26.3; Customize buffer does not show type expected Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 11:17:27 -0800 (PST)
> It would be great if the customize > buffer shows which type of variable is expected. Although the :type > keyword is included in the defcustom declaration, it is not shown in > the > customization buffer which type is expected. If the wrong type is > filled > in then the only error message given is "(mismatch)". Quite some > package > writers do not - additionally - document their variables. +1. Great idea. The type declaration in the help might also even be a link to the doc for :type.
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> To: dalanicolai <at> gmail.com Cc: 39887 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: Re: bug#39887: 26.3; Customize buffer does not show type expected Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 22:48:29 +0100
dalanicolai <at> gmail.com writes: > The title already explains the bug. It would be great if the customize > buffer shows which type of variable is expected. Although the :type > keyword is included in the defcustom declaration, it is not shown in > the customization buffer which type is expected. If the wrong type is > filled in then the only error message given is "(mismatch)". Quite > some package writers do not - additionally - document their variables. The Customize buffer is supposed to be a user-friendly, easy interface to use, and displaying types like (alist :key-type symbol :value-type (choice symbol integer)) which only would make sense to a programmer would be the wrong way to go here. The Customize interface already tries to guide the users as much as the type spec allows. I'm sure there are individual doc strings that could stand improving, though, in which case bug reports for those would be welcome. But I'm closing this bug report. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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From: Drew Adams <drew.adams <at> oracle.com> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>, dalanicolai <at> gmail.com Cc: 39887 <at> debbugs.gnu.org Subject: RE: bug#39887: 26.3; Customize buffer does not show type expected Date: Mon, 26 Oct 2020 15:51:13 -0700 (PDT)
> > The title already explains the bug. It would be great if the customize > > buffer shows which type of variable is expected. Although the :type > > keyword is included in the defcustom declaration, it is not shown in > > the customization buffer which type is expected. If the wrong type is > > filled in then the only error message given is "(mismatch)". Quite > > some package writers do not - additionally - document their variables. > > The Customize buffer is supposed to be a user-friendly, easy interface > to use, and displaying types like > > (alist :key-type symbol :value-type (choice symbol integer)) > > which only would make sense to a programmer would be the wrong way to go > here. The Customize interface already tries to guide the users as much > as the type spec allows. > > I'm sure there are individual doc strings that could stand improving, > though, in which case bug reports for those would be welcome. But I'm > closing this bug report. FWIW - My comment went in the opposite direction: +1. Great idea. The type declaration in the help might also even be a link to the doc for :type. I disagree that just because the Customize UI needs be able to be amenable to non-lispers it should ONLY have ever help for non-lispers. That doesn't follow. Many (most?) Emacs users are also to some extent lispers. And there's no reason that defcustoms are necessarily limited to simple structures. Users who who can understand complex Lisp structures can also benefit from Customize, including the UI - especially its type-checking. Customize is not only for non-lispers. When a defcustom type is simple, a non-lisper can likely grok its spec in the help. Why do you suppose that we put a command's signature in the `C-h f' help? Why should a novice who uses `C-h k C-f' be presented with `(forward-char &optional N)'? Why? Because some Emacs users can benefit from that info. And when a custome type is complex, a novice can just ignore the type signature, and a knowledgeable lisper can appreciate seeing it. For the same reason that menu `State' has item `Show Saved Lisp Expression', we should be able to show users the :type expression. How that's made available is a different (and open) question. But whether users should be able to see it within Customize should be answered with YES, not NO (IMHO). Option types can be a bear. The more help we offer users, the better. This enhancement request was a wonderful suggestion. Yes, a user can use `C-h v' and move to the source code to see the defcustom. But we can make it easier to see the :type info - in context with the existing value. (Just one opinion.)
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