Received: (at 40703) by debbugs.gnu.org; 5 Oct 2020 07:00:00 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 05 03:00:00 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47585 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kPKTY-0004MI-8x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 03:00:00 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39616) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kPKTW-0004M4-41 for 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 02:59:58 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53598) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kPKTQ-0004vU-Gn; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 02:59:52 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4127 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kPKTP-0007WH-TG; Mon, 05 Oct 2020 02:59:52 -0400 Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 09:59:52 +0300 Message-Id: <83362tduon.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87362trx0u.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 05 Oct 2020 08:45:37 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#40703: [PATCH] Make autoarg.el obsolete References: <CADwFkm=NrExBP77W+CYxjTvyVoYfjZ=j39byVc5hhwUXfe5Eew@HIDDEN> <83o8rnin4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn69j44tZhYiFeNg2MWokWVy-fkjCYjvCnnkA2SQbTzdw@HIDDEN> <875zdv6nb3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9lugrhr.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a731td4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874knf16zf.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8lidicc.fsf@HIDDEN> <87362trx0u.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40703 Cc: michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN, stefan@HIDDEN, 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 05 Oct 2020 08:45:37 +0200 > Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > The keypad bits of autoarg do seem like they could be useful, but that > it doesn't work, and nobody has complained, seems like a hint that > nobody wants that, either? I don't think we should make such decisions based on no one's complaining: I've heard many times that people don't complain about problems they bump into for any number of reasons. I think we should decide whether this functionality is useful, and if so, try to fix it, if that is feasible. We should only remove it if we don't consider this useful or if fixing it is not feasible.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes: > Being able to use number pad for e.g. prefix args and numbers on the > first line for numbers as self-insert characters is not so unuseful. Do > we have a replacement providing such a feature? 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Do > we have a replacement providing such a feature? The keypad bits of autoarg do seem like they could be useful, but that it doesn't work, and nobody has complained, seems like a hint that nobody wants that, either? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 40703) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Oct 2020 23:02:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 03 19:02:05 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:44604 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kOqXV-0001Tt-Ci for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:02:05 -0400 Received: from mout.web.de ([212.227.15.4]:48653) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>) id 1kOqXT-0001TN-Un for 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2020 19:02:04 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=web.de; s=dbaedf251592; t=1601766117; bh=mV/PMrzht9mzfak1lbztzwdiMXuPQdUh10xgvMgfErI=; h=X-UI-Sender-Class:From:To:Cc:Subject:References:Date:In-Reply-To; b=lmyt7bSWAO38F5ft5AgV6YD46QhSpCNRUCnsLBN/Hbwy16o7Myb7W8NoiNPog6+Tp VY4zSRq8PcWURIWMV0DzjXmmhsADp33cl/QVozI3FToGyPYsEfUd61BfPIOaklXqv2 mWxt2oNwqw6NYHgLO0CytGEP8Q9UFgKv1FBt8lFk= X-UI-Sender-Class: c548c8c5-30a9-4db5-a2e7-cb6cb037b8f9 Received: from drachen.dragon ([94.218.220.78]) by smtp.web.de (mrweb001 [213.165.67.108]) with ESMTPSA (Nemesis) id 0MdLcJ-1k7adS0fZb-00IWrS; Sun, 04 Oct 2020 01:01:57 +0200 From: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#40703: [PATCH] Make autoarg.el obsolete References: <CADwFkm=NrExBP77W+CYxjTvyVoYfjZ=j39byVc5hhwUXfe5Eew@HIDDEN> <83o8rnin4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn69j44tZhYiFeNg2MWokWVy-fkjCYjvCnnkA2SQbTzdw@HIDDEN> <875zdv6nb3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9lugrhr.fsf@HIDDEN> <87a731td4p.fsf@HIDDEN> <874knf16zf.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 04 Oct 2020 01:01:55 +0200 In-Reply-To: <874knf16zf.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Wed, 30 Sep 2020 19:59:00 +0200") Message-ID: <87o8lidicc.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Provags-ID: V03:K1:MzwEW97RRvDslFSzNgw1QedlJmKRePxKVadlxg7g+n+FJ0AdtPq 7vcaO32vFTVc7J/1EpEam2lFXW0nHZPMSRYIvKHT5YbFhCJ9h18Vy1cBesPyyC4gVw4tTWJ AwWd2GgVIN8sSgBbpXln+WksM8o0WB9Nhw4WAKVBIyg0Ni7hx+arkwMfFu3HdDhBBChVe9h 7Dh2FciLtmGl+qDzWcAYA== X-Spam-Flag: NO X-UI-Out-Filterresults: notjunk:1;V03:K0:P9VAaw2LT0U=:5PaKSvWbQXICMuh9JkxB+p 97kF/UZnogUOUX4sAORQMGi6HtC5I1zfQwYhE4TAC7GovsCRSQJv5tLpmmXN+IfARAF2uuytk AM3kAI9wUh8mztdAH38g6IaKlcdYCM592Na+XK4ruxttontjzv/hSUYwUwpF6oa2bP+SMNXfc fYtPkigvHiubhOKZaUND0mlJff0WPC4miVHhEU6/OYY+6HsN5pSnZBa8wkHYlfsfdGdYTqcbh BmB4VJ1OPLuDOtkQmatL5BOa7Th1UGJLk4ukd1utOSVS9ao5RM/xDlVeSOQ7nudYL2FbIDd7E DZPYsCPigipfUUHHgTDcmEuoG3kneCT/UjDsEg5sL2w7lCh9rb00LoVzytlIyiUaqn0QfIWU8 SHCnBsIgJhItuhq6ZV4dO9xqHE/dUf2dpO+pJncG3W9+L6Wao7ZnbVUerbnBq/Hv3HVB6vUc7 9fYns98mDbFdSJegjuEO+vAr+15EzP5pd3OQ7h6x8xT548C4PjQK+jP+jMCdOC1IUiVGh50eX t1DGgDCUHNv0DiaXqLfB1ZxUBcPk/K+zTKMBt2k3+9PNcAwZ8dOlJFYltM0yZzXaE6Pn2GOiN o3v5neWmmN6aab2+w6Q3JZWIGzi/h3SlrJop3q8tFcdVn3uHsj0EVTHCEhWCDO1642GEj+b2Q /AHZlef1whXrzvk1LJl+UYZD9H09FkvyaiDXpPtJNV+0+EsIvbDTYSTmZm5deVnLqjrDSoNRx hsF0+G8XuDNDu90x9FCL4dL8JA2YeTV9f/zElzn2NRYc2rWkJwyMgH7f2K6QPW4UIlYxmXY06 Om0VlRAve6x8JO1ySsnxuwFsCViGwq/uZ2visd5/oDtJgByPZo8XWLOjC8g0XLoze6IOMm0Y0 PA0g8DzgQslmr93Udl7jN2ultHzG6vwKDFqAm+ceGU+B8JTm0IPZnOAiVS9kqdsGBatehNilw E18WEw6hh5PhuLcnsTyHDIJwkc7mZ9SBYKdtPmqArhsJCnBFwTWHlbieLg28Nzqd2hfS9eceY RBlsasI7TYw6N9fYG0DqsFRU9Ldea0CVQkwdnQniXMfKSYMQABn6PlMeZhrBLhC4SbLy6MKe2 9m+ry5y+JWKgXQ4daJB0bPUw0rSLI+ScTnOaifeacGpRRQMV3crWd4AB1fUbFLbeILEy3iEzK bX3V3OzVAXXiBM9Z4Jf9+/JMQdf3Ca/Ct585GFU4v4y7UvBfxYPHb3jydoVoQI38h5tnsJpno neSTMDOZ6QDV3JJo6WI37Zr7Yjktv7UqWUHl4Eg== X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40703 Cc: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > I agree with you. It's a feature that clearly doesn't work, which > should be a good indication that nobody uses it. Doesn't work + Nobody > uses it spells "should be obsoleted" to me. (I may be using the wrong > dictionary here, though.) Being able to use number pad for e.g. prefix args and numbers on the first line for numbers as self-insert characters is not so unuseful. Do we have a replacement providing such a feature? Michael.
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Full text available.Received: (at 40703) by debbugs.gnu.org; 24 Apr 2020 10:03:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Apr 24 06:03:03 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56441 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1jRvAl-0007qJ-Fz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:03:03 -0400 Received: from ted.gofardesign.uk ([67.225.143.91]:60900) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <stefan@HIDDEN>) id 1jRvAg-0007pi-Kq; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:03:02 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=marxist.se; s=default; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:Date:References: In-Reply-To:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=ki8Wlo9By1mB30v6syN3lMSK3vn2wD/PYphtV+ixJrM=; b=BUsSeurDB5ZpFAoYxZeiStDhqR gaSWNCGrcsqAeJ7/33Y5Zre2AmfAR6MD5/wbIEAYL6o1pUopUK6/Z5+xxyayX842A7URalB6lJlYb 2hx3y2gM/YGuTAdNPeHHMjcwVBmi0bCbASc4yCpOu4fUGgXVzvIXRDfEBxRAH8iLYEcBkXZ4zdW6s hAREZK6Iecy960aX88gr/cqHVZF2HXB28i4uYWMDkk+ppFq8QZ4ytn6C/6sMAEoXVa1yfDLb/YNvw P3hvFUej3m3JFlzXFbDne0gAaN+gB+lEWWeGxV1EOR5zzOjCCQc4nKVQGigocRu4od2MvvX0dSPJK +7UKowZA==; Received: from h-4-70-69.a785.priv.bahnhof.se ([155.4.70.69]:47598 helo=localhost) by ted.gofardesign.uk with esmtpsa (TLS1.2) tls TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 (Exim 4.93) (envelope-from <stefan@HIDDEN>) id 1jRvAW-001EhM-IC; Fri, 24 Apr 2020 06:02:48 -0400 From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#40703: [PATCH] Make autoarg.el obsolete In-Reply-To: <83v9lugrhr.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 20 Apr 2020 17:29:36 +0300") References: <CADwFkm=NrExBP77W+CYxjTvyVoYfjZ=j39byVc5hhwUXfe5Eew@HIDDEN> <83o8rnin4o.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmn69j44tZhYiFeNg2MWokWVy-fkjCYjvCnnkA2SQbTzdw@HIDDEN> <875zdv6nb3.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9lugrhr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/26.1 (gnu/linux) Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 12:02:46 +0200 Message-ID: <87a731td4p.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - ted.gofardesign.uk X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - debbugs.gnu.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - marxist.se X-Get-Message-Sender-Via: ted.gofardesign.uk: authenticated_id: stefan@HIDDEN X-Authenticated-Sender: ted.gofardesign.uk: stefan@HIDDEN X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 40703 Cc: Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN>, 40703 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) tags 40703 - patch retitle 40703 Unable to turn off autoarg-kp-mode thanks Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> FWIW, I think the mode is potentially useful. It would be more useful >> if there would be a local version, and if enabling autoarg-mode would >> still allow me to enter digits with the keypad (i.e. the other way than >> autoarg-kp-mode, because e.g. ...what? mhmm, I wanted to write an >> example including integers but I can't enter them anymore, I can't turn >> off autoarg mode. It's just broken. Will restart Emacs. > > Maybe we should just fix it so the mode could be turned off, then. OK, I'm updating the bug to reflect that. FWIW, I still think this mode is more of a historical musing than it is useful. But I accept that I'm in a minority here. Best regards, Stefan Kangas
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Michael Heerdegen <michael_heerdegen@HIDDEN> writes:
> > Well, as it stands 'autoarg-kp-mode' is broken. It enables
> > 'autoarg-mode', which kind of defeats the point of having a separate
> > mode to only enable this behaviour for the keypad.
>
> Not for me. Works here. Are you sure?
In "emacs -Q" using 26.1:
M-x autoarg-kp-mode
Message: Autoarg-Kp mode enabled
[regular 2] a
Buffer contents: 2a
[keypad 2] a
Buffer contents: 2aaa
[regular 2] b
Buffer contents: 2aaabb
M-x autoarg-kp-mode
Message: Autoarg-Kp mode disabled
[keypad 2] c
Buffer contents: 2aaabbcc
[regular 2] d
Buffer contents: 2aaabbccdd
M-x autoarg-mode
Message: Autoarg mode enabled
... same behaviour as above
M-x autoarg-mode
Message: Autoarg mode disabled
... it's still not disabled
So actually the breakage here is worse than what I initially
described, since autoarg-kp-mode also can't be disabled.
autoarg-mode seems to toggle correctly though.
> mhmm, I wanted to write an
> example including integers but I can't enter them anymore, I can't turn
> off autoarg mode. It's just broken. Will restart Emacs.
It sounds like you see the same thing as me.
Best regards,
Stefan Kangas
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#40703; Package emacs.
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It enables > 'autoarg-mode', which kind of defeats the point of having a separate > mode to only enable this behaviour for the keypad. Not for me. Works here. Are you sure? FWIW, I think the mode is potentially useful. It would be more useful if there would be a local version, and if enabling autoarg-mode would still allow me to enter digits with the keypad (i.e. the other way than autoarg-kp-mode, because e.g. ...what? mhmm, I wanted to write an example including integers but I can't enter them anymore, I can't turn off autoarg mode. It's just broken. Will restart Emacs. What I wanted to say was that large numbers are probably easier to type on the keypad, and they are unlikely to be used as prefix arg. Michael.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#40703; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#40703; Package emacs.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: Severity: wishlist autoarg.el "provides `autoarg-mode', a global minor mode meant to emulate a facility reported from Twenex Emacs whereby digit keys supplied prefix args rather than self inserting, with a digit sequenc [...] Content analysis details: (3.8 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 URIBL_BLOCKED ADMINISTRATOR NOTICE: The query to URIBL was blocked. See http://wiki.apache.org/spamassassin/DnsBlocklists#dnsbl-block for more information. [URIs: gnu.org] 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (stefankangas[at]gmail.com) -0.7 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, low trust [209.51.188.17 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different 2.0 SPOOFED_FREEMAIL No description available. 1.0 TO_NO_BRKTS_PCNT To: lacks brackets + percentage X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.2 (/) --0000000000006d831005a39a98d9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Severity: wishlist autoarg.el "provides `autoarg-mode', a global minor mode meant to emulate a facility reported from Twenex Emacs whereby digit keys supplied prefix args rather than self inserting, with a digit sequence terminated by space acting to insert the digits". While searching the web, I could find no evidence of autoarg-mode being discussed or even mentioned. It is presumably not very useful in this day and age. (I also found a breaking bug in autoarg-kp-mode where enabling it also enables autoarg-mode. Nobody seems to have noticed.) Does anyone object to marking it obsolete? 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Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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