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Implement a wrapper so users can build the Emacs packages using a version of their choosing

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Package: guix; Reported by: Fredrik Salomonsson <plattfot@HIDDEN>; dated Sat, 6 Jun 2020 03:15:01 UTC; Maintainer for guix is bug-guix@HIDDEN.
Changed bug title to 'Implement a wrapper so users can build the Emacs packages using a version of their choosing' from 'issue with emacs-lua-mode and emacs-next' Request was from Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

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From: Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN>
To: zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#41732: issue with emacs-lua-mode and emacs-next
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Hello Simon!

Sorry for my delayed answer.

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> Dear Maxim,
>
> On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 06:39, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
>> Some people have been adding emacs-next-something packages (IIRC); I
>> think it's OK for the big, complicated packages that need effort to
>> port, but otherwise I wouldn't like seeing this happening for all
>> packages.
>
> I agree.  I am not suggesting to duplicate all the packages with
> 'emacs-next-something'.  There is already enough to do with the
> current ones. :-)
>
>
>> > Well, I am not suggesting to duplicate all the Emacs packages with
>> > something like 'emacs-next-<package>' because it is too much.  I am
>> > suggesting to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' and then for example
>> > in my manifest file I would use this new procedure to generate
>> > on-the-fly these next packages; as an expert Emacs mode.
>>
>> That sounds like a good idea; provide a way for users to rewrite their
>> package at the level of their manifest file (which is already possible
>> IIUC).
>
> I propose to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' for the people in the
> experimental mood. :-)  For example, the manifest looks like:
>
> (use-modules (guix build-system emacs)
>              (gnu packages emacs)
>              (gnu packages emacs-xyz))
>
> (packages->manifest
>  (cons emacs-next
>        (map
>         package-with-emacs-next
>         (list
>          emacs-lua-mode
>          emacs-magit))))
>
> Then the expert uses it with:
>
>    guix package -m manifest.scm
>
> Well, the attached patch does that.  And maybe, an entry to the
> Cookbook could be worth.

That's really nice!  Thank you for providing it.  I've tried it in my
manifest, by stitching a couple manifests objects together
`concatenate-manifests' like so:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(concatenate-manifests
 (list
 ;;; Emacs packages.
  (packages->manifest
   (cons emacs-next
         (map package-with-emacs-next
              (map specification->package
                   '("emacs-auctex"
                     "emacs-bash-completion"
                     [...]
                     "emacs-yasnippet"
                     "emacs-yasnippet-snippets")))))

  ;; Other software.
  (specifications->manifest
   '("adb"
     [...]   
     "arc-icon-theme"
     "arc-theme"
     ...))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

And after a couple fixes on master, I was able to build my profile with
my Emacs packages collection built against Emacs 27!  I'm now having
some issues due to the apparent renaming of the generated autoload
files.  I haven't had the time to look for a fix yet.  It breaks at
least Helm (and probably others), as it cannot find its own autoload
file.

next-helm-autoloads.el ->
/gnu/store/fnwalhxi94fhr8h2dfg602zd9plarwx0-emacs-next-helm-3.6.2/share/emacs/site-lisp/next-helm-autoloads.el

(instead of helm-autoloads.el)

> Note that 'package-with-explicite-emacs' and
> 'package-with-explicit-python' should be refactored, another story.
> :-)

I wholly agree!  It seems these have much in common.  Perhaps (guix
packages) could be a new home for the factored out bits.

To be continued!

Maxim




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Dear Maxim,

On Sun, 7 Jun 2020 at 06:39, Maxim Cournoyer <maxim.cournoyer@HIDDEN> wrote:

> Some people have been adding emacs-next-something packages (IIRC); I
> think it's OK for the big, complicated packages that need effort to
> port, but otherwise I wouldn't like seeing this happening for all
> packages.

I agree.  I am not suggesting to duplicate all the packages with
'emacs-next-something'.  There is already enough to do with the
current ones. :-)


> > Well, I am not suggesting to duplicate all the Emacs packages with
> > something like 'emacs-next-<package>' because it is too much.  I am
> > suggesting to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' and then for example
> > in my manifest file I would use this new procedure to generate
> > on-the-fly these next packages; as an expert Emacs mode.
>
> That sounds like a good idea; provide a way for users to rewrite their
> package at the level of their manifest file (which is already possible
> IIUC).

I propose to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' for the people in the
experimental mood. :-)  For example, the manifest looks like:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
(use-modules (guix build-system emacs)
             (gnu packages emacs)
             (gnu packages emacs-xyz))

(packages->manifest
 (cons emacs-next
       (map
        package-with-emacs-next
        (list
         emacs-lua-mode
         emacs-magit))))
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Then the expert uses it with:

   guix package -m manifest.scm

Well, the attached patch does that.  And maybe, an entry to the
Cookbook could be worth.


> > I do not know if this proposal makes sense.  Probably not. :-)
> > (My regular Emacs is the current version and I very rarely use
> > emacs-next because I started Emacs with 23 therefore 24 was already a
> > so-nice improvement. :-))
>
> It does make sense. For those who would like to see our base Emacs
> package be updated to emacs-next, we need to iron out all the packages
> currently failing to build with it.  It is easy to try, by modifying
> slightly a local Guix checkout:
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
> 1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
> guix/build-system/emacs.scm | 2 +-
>
> modified   guix/build-system/emacs.scm
> @@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
>    "Return the default Emacs package."
>    ;; Lazily resolve the binding to avoid a circular dependency.
>    (let ((emacs-mod (resolve-interface '(gnu packages emacs))))
> -    (module-ref emacs-mod 'emacs-minimal)))
> +    (module-ref emacs-mod 'emacs-next)))
>
>  (define* (lower name
>                  #:key source inputs native-inputs outputs system target
>
> --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

What I propose simplifies because it avoids to recompile all Guix and
to use ./pre-inst-env.
Well, I do not know.  It is an half-cooked proposal. :-)

And the added 'package-with-explicit-emacs' procedure allows to use
any Emacs as the VM, so for example, it could be cool to see what
happens with REmacs (which is not packaged but that's another story
:-)).
Or for example with Gccemacs.


All the best,
simon

ps:
Note that 'package-with-explicite-emacs' and
'package-with-explicit-python' should be refactored, another story.
:-)

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Hello,

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> Dear Nicolas,
>
> On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 16:13, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@HIDDEN> wrote:
>> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> > Somehow, one needs to change the Emacs version used by the Emacs
>> > toolchain to bytecompile, right?
>> > I do not know if it makes sense, but we could add something like
>> > 'package-with-emacs-next' similar to 'package-with-python2' or
>> > 'package-with-ocam4.07'.
>> > WDYT?
>>
>> This sounds like serious overhead for a single package. Maybe we could
>> try to prevent byte-compilation for the package and see what happens?
>
> Maybe I miss the issue.  From my understanding, all the Emacs packages
> are byte-compiled with the current Emacs.  Therefore, "guix install
> emacs-next emacs-foo" and then "M-x foo" works by luck -- well because
> the Emacs VM is stable. :-)

That's a good description of the situation.  There's no warranty that
emacs-something works with emacs-next unless it was packaged to be
compiled specifically with emacs-next instead of the default emacs package
(currently 26.3).

> And I do not know how to rebuild all my Emacs packages using
> 'emacs-next' instead of the current Emacs.  Maybe I miss something.

Some people have been adding emacs-next-something packages (IIRC); I
think it's OK for the big, complicated packages that need effort to
port, but otherwise I wouldn't like seeing this happening for all
packages.

> Well, I am not suggesting to duplicate all the Emacs packages with
> something like 'emacs-next-<package>' because it is too much.  I am
> suggesting to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' and then for example
> in my manifest file I would use this new procedure to generate
> on-the-fly these next packages; as an expert Emacs mode.

That sounds like a good idea; provide a way for users to rewrite their
package at the level of their manifest file (which is already possible
IIUC).

> I do not know if this proposal makes sense.  Probably not. :-)
> (My regular Emacs is the current version and I very rarely use
> emacs-next because I started Emacs with 23 therefore 24 was already a
> so-nice improvement. :-))

It does make sense. For those who would like to see our base Emacs
package be updated to emacs-next, we need to iron out all the packages
currently failing to build with it.  It is easy to try, by modifying
slightly a local Guix checkout:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
1 file changed, 1 insertion(+), 1 deletion(-)
guix/build-system/emacs.scm | 2 +-

modified   guix/build-system/emacs.scm
@@ -52,7 +52,7 @@
   "Return the default Emacs package."
   ;; Lazily resolve the binding to avoid a circular dependency.
   (let ((emacs-mod (resolve-interface '(gnu packages emacs))))
-    (module-ref emacs-mod 'emacs-minimal)))
+    (module-ref emacs-mod 'emacs-next)))
 
 (define* (lower name
                 #:key source inputs native-inputs outputs system target

--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Maxim




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Dear Nicolas,

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 16:13, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@HIDDEN> wrote:
> zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> > Somehow, one needs to change the Emacs version used by the Emacs
> > toolchain to bytecompile, right?
> > I do not know if it makes sense, but we could add something like
> > 'package-with-emacs-next' similar to 'package-with-python2' or
> > 'package-with-ocam4.07'.
> > WDYT?
>
> This sounds like serious overhead for a single package. Maybe we could
> try to prevent byte-compilation for the package and see what happens?

Maybe I miss the issue.  From my understanding, all the Emacs packages
are byte-compiled with the current Emacs.  Therefore, "guix install
emacs-next emacs-foo" and then "M-x foo" works by luck -- well because
the Emacs VM is stable. :-)
And I do not know how to rebuild all my Emacs packages using
'emacs-next' instead of the current Emacs.  Maybe I miss something.

Well, I am not suggesting to duplicate all the Emacs packages with
something like 'emacs-next-<package>' because it is too much.  I am
suggesting to provide 'package-with-emacs-next' and then for example
in my manifest file I would use this new procedure to generate
on-the-fly these next packages; as an expert Emacs mode.

I do not know if this proposal makes sense.  Probably not. :-)
(My regular Emacs is the current version and I very rarely use
emacs-next because I started Emacs with 23 therefore 24 was already a
so-nice improvement. :-))

All the best,
simon




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Hello,

zimoun <zimon.toutoune@HIDDEN> writes:

> Somehow, one needs to change the Emacs version used by the Emacs
> toolchain to bytecompile, right?
> I do not know if it makes sense, but we could add something like
> 'package-with-emacs-next' similar to 'package-with-python2' or
> 'package-with-ocam4.07'.
> WDYT?

This sounds like serious overhead for a single package. Maybe we could
try to prevent byte-compilation for the package and see what happens?

Regards,

-- 
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Dear Nicolas,

On Sat, 6 Jun 2020 at 10:11, Nicolas Goaziou <mail@HIDDEN> wrote:

> You may be right. Files byte-compiled with Emacs 26 may not be
> compatible with Emacs 27.
>
> I don't know what can be done on Guix's side, tho.

Somehow, one needs to change the Emacs version used by the Emacs
toolchain to bytecompile, right?
I do not know if it makes sense, but we could add something like
'package-with-emacs-next' similar to 'package-with-python2' or
'package-with-ocam4.07'.
WDYT?


All the best,
simon




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Hello,

Fredrik Salomonsson <plattfot@HIDDEN> writes:

> When I launch emacs (emacs-next) with the emacs-lua-mode package, I'm
> getting this error
> "Error (use-package): lua-mode/:catch: Unknown rx form =E2=80=98symbol=E2=
=80=99"
>
> It works when I let emacs download it from melpa. I tried updating
> emacs-lua-mode to 20200508, which is the same version as on melpa.
>
> Still the same issue.
>
> Could this be an issue that it's using emacs-minimal-26.3 to byte compile
> the files? Where I'm using emacs-next aka emasc-27.0. Judging by this iss=
ue
> [1] the rx package has gone through some changes in 27.0.

This seems to be reported upstream as=20

             https://github.com/immerrr/lua-mode/issues/155

You may be right. Files byte-compiled with Emacs 26 may not be
compatible with Emacs 27.

I don't know what can be done on Guix's side, tho.

> I've attached the backtrace and the patch for the latest
> emacs-lua-mode.

Could you send another bug report for the package update?

Regards,

--=20
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Forgot to say which guix version I'm using:

guix (GNU Guix) ba6d3612550f5d978c4b5b1df122444f8fb29377






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Hi,

When I launch emacs (emacs-next) with the emacs-lua-mode package, I'm
getting this error
"Error (use-package): lua-mode/:catch: Unknown rx form =E2=80=98symbol=E2=
=80=99"

It works when I let emacs download it from melpa. I tried updating
emacs-lua-mode to 20200508, which is the same version as on melpa.

Still the same issue.

Could this be an issue that it's using emacs-minimal-26.3 to byte compile
the files? Where I'm using emacs-next aka emasc-27.0. Judging by this issue
[1] the rx package has gone through some changes in 27.0.

My emacs config is here: https://github.com/plattfot/dotemacs/tree/emacs27
I've attached the backtrace and the patch for the latest emacs-lua-mode.

Thanks

[1] https://github.com/immerrr/lua-mode/issues/153
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Hi,</div><div><br></div><div>When I launch emacs (ema=
cs-next) with the emacs-lua-mode package, I&#39;m getting this error <br></=
div><div>&quot;Error (use-package): lua-mode/:catch: Unknown rx form =E2=80=
=98symbol=E2=80=99&quot;</div><div></div><div><br></div><div>It works when =
I let emacs download it from melpa. I tried updating emacs-lua-mode to 2020=
0508, which is the same version as on melpa.</div><div> <br></div><div>Stil=
l the same issue.</div><div><br></div><div>Could this be an issue that it&#=
39;s using emacs-minimal-26.3 to byte compile the files? Where I&#39;m usin=
g emacs-next aka emasc-27.0. Judging by this issue [1] the rx package has g=
one through some changes in 27.0.</div><div><br></div><div>My emacs config =
is here: <a href=3D"https://github.com/plattfot/dotemacs/tree/emacs27">http=
s://github.com/plattfot/dotemacs/tree/emacs27</a></div><div>I&#39;ve attach=
ed the backtrace and the patch for the latest emacs-lua-mode.<br></div><div=
><br></div><div>Thanks<br></div><div><br></div><div>[1] <a href=3D"https://=
github.com/immerrr/lua-mode/issues/153">https://github.com/immerrr/lua-mode=
/issues/153</a></div><div>-- <br><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_signature"=
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