GNU bug report logs - #42199
Suggestion: Offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual, org-guide in double-sided fashion for printing

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Reported by: Jan Teubel <teubel.jan <at> gmail.com>

Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 19:03:04 UTC

Severity: wishlist

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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bug#42199; Package emacs. (Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:03:05 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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From: Jan Teubel <teubel.jan <at> gmail.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org, emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org
Subject: Suggestion: Offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual, org-guide in
 double-sided fashion for printing
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 12:44:09 +0000
Hello from East Germany!

This email is not a bug report, but a polite suggestion to
provide/offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual and org-guide in
double-sided fashion for printing (PDF files).

I would like to print out the whole Emacs manual, org-mode manual and
org-guide on paper in double-sided fashion using the provided PDF
files [1][2]. In the PDF file of the Emacs and org-mode manuals (and
org-guide), every page number is located on the right side, which is
only suitable for single-sided printing (in my opinion). That is why I
have refrained from printing the whole manuals.

What I need is: when I open the printed manuals and see two pages
(left and right page), that the page number of the left page
(even-numbered) is located on the left side, and the page number of
the right page (odd numbered) is located on the right side. (Exactly
like an opened book when it lies on a table.)

How to achieve the correct location of the page number of each page
for double-sided printing: According to the appendix E of the texinfo
manual [3], one has to add the the line "@setchapternewpage odd" after
the line "@titlepage".

In the emacs.texi file at line 81 is located "@titlepage" and at line
82 I added "@setchapternewpage odd" according to [3], so it looks like
this:

[...]
@titlepage
@setchapternewpage odd
@sp 6
@center @titlefont{GNU Emacs Manual}
@sp 4
@center @value{EDITION} Edition, Updated for Emacs Version @value{EMACSVER}.
[...]

This modification produces the desired double-sided PDF file. I don't
know whether just adding "@setchapternewpage odd" after "@titlepage"
is the correct way to produce double-sided PDF files, but it works.

(The "@titlepage" line in orgguide.texi and in org.texi is located in
both files at line 11.)

I am asking you whether you can provide additional PDF files at [1][2]
in double-sided fashion or whether you can replace the current
(single-sided) PDF manuals with manuals in double-sided fashion.

I can produce the double-sided fashion manuals on my own, but I very
much prefer to rely on an officially provided manual from the Emacs
and org-mode team than relying on my own produced make-shift PDF
files.

Thank you very much! I apologize for my bad English and I hope this
email makes sense.

With best regards from East Germany!
Jan Teubel


[1]: https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/manual/emacs.html
[2]: https://orgmode.org/#docs
[3]: https://www.gnu.org/software/texinfo/manual/texinfo/html_node/Heading-Choice.html




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bug#42199; Package emacs. (Sat, 04 Jul 2020 19:18:01 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

Message #8 received at 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>
To: Jan Teubel <teubel.jan <at> gmail.com>
Cc: emacs-orgmode <at> gnu.org, 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42199: Suggestion: Offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual,
 org-guide in double-sided fashion for printing
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 22:17:14 +0300
> From: Jan Teubel <teubel.jan <at> gmail.com>
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 12:44:09 +0000
> 
> This email is not a bug report, but a polite suggestion to
> provide/offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual and org-guide in
> double-sided fashion for printing (PDF files).
> 
> I would like to print out the whole Emacs manual, org-mode manual and
> org-guide on paper in double-sided fashion using the provided PDF
> files [1][2]. In the PDF file of the Emacs and org-mode manuals (and
> org-guide), every page number is located on the right side, which is
> only suitable for single-sided printing (in my opinion). That is why I
> have refrained from printing the whole manuals.

We don't provide the PDF files in the Emacs tarballs.  We provide the
Texinfo sources.  So you should be able to modify the Texinfo as you
describe, and then print the manuals as you'd like.

IOW, I don't think I understand why there's a need to make a change in
Emacs to support your request: you can do that yourself.

Am I missing something?




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Message #11 received at 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban <at> gmail.com>
To: eliz <at> gnu.org
Cc: 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42199: Suggestion: Offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual, org-guide
 in double-sided fashion for printing
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 16:13:46 +0200
I would like to point out that this looks like a part of my bug
report: #35885 - point 2., under "* Small proposals", in the 1st
message:

> 2.  Header style should be changed.
> It shows page number in right upper corner on every page, but it
> should show it in right upper corner for odd (right-side) pages and
> in left upper corner for even (left-side) pages - just like in
> normal book.

I revisited this bug report in May 2020
https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=35885#68
but since no one replied to it, it was archived again after 28 days.

I want to reopen it, but after Emacs 27.1 is released.  It needs small
update for exactly this "problem", i.e. header style, but I'll send it
after reopening.


S. U.




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Message #14 received at 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban <at> gmail.com>
To: teubel.jan <at> gmail.com
Cc: 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: bug#42199: Suggestion: Offer Emacs manual, org-mode manual, org-guide
 in double-sided fashion for printing
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 16:20:43 +0200
Hello Jan,

> According to the appendix E of the texinfo manual [3], one has to
> add the line "@setchapternewpage odd" after the line "@titlepage"

Appendix E:
> The '@end titlepage' command causes TeX to begin to generate page
> headings according to a standard format specified by the
> '@setchapternewpage' command that precedes the '@titlepage' section.
>                                   ^^^^^^^^

1. You should put "@setchapternewpage odd" before the titlepage.
I suggest right after 1st line (\input ...) or after "@include
docstyle.texi".

2. "@setchapternewpage odd" will put every new chapter page on the
right-hand page (the one with odd number), which will add ~30
additional pages - unless you really want new chapters to start on
right-hand page.

It would be better if you would use texinfo.tex>=2020-05-14 and put
"@headings double" like this:

--8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
--- old/emacs.texi
+++ new/emacs.texi
@@ -99,10 +99,13 @@

 @end titlepage

+@headings double

 @summarycontents
 @contents


 @ifnottex
 @node Top
--8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

3. Since Emacs 27.1 is not that far away, perhaps it would be a good
idea to hold up printing, and wait a bit for an updated manual?


S. U.




Severity set to 'wishlist' from 'normal' Request was from Stefan Kangas <stefan <at> marxist.se> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 25 Aug 2020 13:39:03 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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Message #19 received at 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban <at> gmail.com>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz <at> gnu.org>, 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, 35885 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#35885: 25.2; Few mistakes in Emacs Manual (+ proposals)
Date: Tue, 18 May 2021 15:15:46 +0200
Sebastian Urban <mrsebastianurban <at> gmail.com> writes:

>> Perhaps copy-pasting explanation from SCREEN.TEXI would be a better
>> solution, i.e. instead of
>>    (which is ``control h and then t'')
>> something like this:
>>    (hold down @key{Control} and type @kbd{h}, then let go of
>>    @key{Control} and type @kbd{t})
>> ?
>
> If it's necessary, I'll open a new bug report.

Please do.

> I also believe it is now possible to close this bug report:
> https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=42199
> I mean at least the Emacs manual part is done.

OK; done.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




bug closed, send any further explanations to 42199 <at> debbugs.gnu.org and Jan Teubel <teubel.jan <at> gmail.com> Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Tue, 18 May 2021 13:16:02 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

bug archived. Request was from Debbugs Internal Request <help-debbugs <at> gnu.org> to internal_control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. (Wed, 16 Jun 2021 11:24:09 GMT) Full text and rfc822 format available.

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