GNU bug report logs - #42520
28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence don't work in shr

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Reported by: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>

Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:01:01 UTC

Severity: normal

Tags: notabug

Found in version 28.0.50

Done: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>

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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence don't work in shr
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:59:55 -0700

Hello,

I noticed that M-a and M-e aren't useful for navigating the contents of
eww buffers (in particular, in readable mode).  I wonder if shr could
ensure that there are two spaces between sentences so that they do?

It is nice to be able to use these commands when you want to copy text
from the webpage to quote it.

-- 
Sean Whitton
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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:01:25 +0300

Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:

> I noticed that M-a and M-e aren't useful for navigating the contents of
> eww buffers (in particular, in readable mode).  I wonder if shr could
> ensure that there are two spaces between sentences so that they do?

Why not just set sentence-end-double-space buffer-locally?

-- 
Basil
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 00:00:52 +0200

Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:

> I noticed that M-a and M-e aren't useful for navigating the contents of
> eww buffers (in particular, in readable mode).  I wonder if shr could
> ensure that there are two spaces between sentences so that they do?

shr can't possibly tell whether, e. g., those "." characters ended a
sentence or not, so adding a space after all dots would be nonsensical.

Like Basil says, if you want to change the behaviour here, set
sentence-end-double-space to nil in the relevant buffers.

So I'm closing this bug report.

-- 
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   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 19:10:38 -0700

Hello Lars,

On Tue 28 Jul 2020 at 12:00AM +02, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:
>
>> I noticed that M-a and M-e aren't useful for navigating the contents of
>> eww buffers (in particular, in readable mode).  I wonder if shr could
>> ensure that there are two spaces between sentences so that they do?
>
> shr can't possibly tell whether, e. g., those "." characters ended a
> sentence or not, so adding a space after all dots would be nonsensical.

Would this be true even in readable mode?

-- 
Sean Whitton
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From: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 13:24:17 +0300

Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org> writes:

> Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:
>
>> I noticed that M-a and M-e aren't useful for navigating the contents of
>> eww buffers (in particular, in readable mode).  I wonder if shr could
>> ensure that there are two spaces between sentences so that they do?
>
> shr can't possibly tell whether, e. g., those "." characters ended a
> sentence or not, so adding a space after all dots would be nonsensical.
>
> Like Basil says, if you want to change the behaviour here, set
> sentence-end-double-space to nil in the relevant buffers.
>
> So I'm closing this bug report.

Why doesn't eww-mode do this by default?

-- 
Basil
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: "Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:34:29 +0200

"Basil L. Contovounesios" <contovob <at> tcd.ie> writes:

> Why doesn't eww-mode do this by default?

It's a user-level option, I think?

-- 
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 23:34:53 +0200

Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:

> Would this be true even in readable mode?

I'm sorry -- what you do mean by "readable mode"?

-- 
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From: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:36:55 -0700

Hello Lars,

On Tue 28 Jul 2020 at 11:34PM +02, Lars Ingebrigtsen wrote:

> Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:
>
>> Would this be true even in readable mode?
>
> I'm sorry -- what you do mean by "readable mode"?

I suppose it's not really a mode, but I mean the state you get into
after invoking eww-readable.

-- 
Sean Whitton
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From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name>
Cc: 42520 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#42520: 28.0.50; backward-sentence and forward-sentence
 don't work in shr
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 02:29:35 +0200

Sean Whitton <spwhitton <at> spwhitton.name> writes:

> I suppose it's not really a mode, but I mean the state you get into
> after invoking eww-readable.

The eww-readable command isn't able to guess whether "e. g." ends a
sentence more than any other part of Emacs.

-- 
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