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debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -4.8 (----) On 8/8/20 9:09 AM, David Thomas wrote: > If most people think things are a bad idea, why do them? I don't see any real evidence that most people think the change is a bad idea. Although there have been complaints, that doesn't mean most people are complaining, or that most people are unhappy about the change. In practice I've found the new behavior to be significantly safer. I too often have to deal with files with shell metacharacters in their names (people send me all sorts of weird stuff). The old 'ls' behavior was quite dangerous in that respect. > at first I was typing out the quotes to cd into them. Then I discovered it still worked to cd into them without typing the quotes What file names were these, exactly? If 'ls' is overquoting, that's something we could fix without affecting safety.
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I was quite confused, as I was sure they hadn=E2= =80=99t been saved with quotes at the beginning and end of the file name.= I=E2=80=99m not someone who often uses the terminal, but I know enough o= f what I was expecting (that file names created without quotes shouldn=E2= =80=99t have quotes around them) that it threw me way off. Some of what w= ere quoted were directories, and at first I was typing out the quotes to = cd into them. Then I discovered it still worked to cd into them without t= yping the quotes, which was at least better. But I really don=E2=80=99t w= ant those quotes. They look weird, and they make me feel like I mistyped = when I created the file or directory. I did some more digging, and discovered that I can alias ls to ls -N to g= et rid of them, but I sure don=E2=80=99t want to have to make this new al= ias for every system I use from here on out. I have already read every bit of=C2=A0https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bug= report.cgi=3Fbug=3D813164=23226=C2=A0already and the stubbornness of the = devs is surprising and disheartening. Isn=E2=80=99t open source a friendly place=3F If most people think things= are a bad idea, why do them=3F This isn=E2=80=99t something that helps n= ew users=E2=80=94it=E2=80=99s just going to confuse them, like it confuse= d me. Please do us all a favor and revert the change. Thanks so much, -David --5f2ece40_1e7ff521_15347 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline <html xmlns=3D=22http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml=22> <head> <title></title> </head> <body> <div name=3D=22messageBodySection=22> <div dir=3D=22auto=22>Hello,<br /> <br /> I noticed the other day when running ls in a terminal that some file name= s with spaces were quoted. I was quite confused, as I was sure they hadn=E2= =80=99t been saved with quotes at the beginning and end of the file name.= I=E2=80=99m not someone who often uses the terminal, but I know enough o= f what I was expecting (that file names created without quotes shouldn=E2= =80=99t have quotes around them) that it threw me way off. Some of what w= ere quoted were directories, and at first I was typing out the quotes to = cd into them. Then I discovered it still worked to cd into them without t= yping the quotes, which was at least better. But I really don=E2=80=99t w= ant those quotes. They look weird, and they make me feel like I mistyped = when I created the file or directory.<br /> <br /> I did some more digging, and discovered that I can alias ls to ls -N to g= et rid of them, but I sure don=E2=80=99t want to have to make this new al= ias for every system I use from here on out.<br /> <br /> I have already read every bit of&=23160;<a href=3D=22https://bugs.debian.= org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi=3Fbug=3D813164=23226=22 target=3D=22=5Fblank=22= >https://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi=3Fbug=3D813164=23226</a>&=23= 160;already and the stubbornness of the devs is surprising and dishearten= ing.<br /> <br /> Isn=E2=80=99t open source a friendly place=3F If most people think things= are a bad idea, why do them=3F This isn=E2=80=99t something that helps n= ew users=E2=80=94it=E2=80=99s just going to confuse them, like it confuse= d me.<br /> <br /> Please do us all a favor and revert the change. Thanks so much,</div> </div> <div name=3D=22messageSignatureSection=22><br /> <div class=3D=22match=46ont=22>-David</div> </div> </body> </html> --5f2ece40_1e7ff521_15347--
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