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Hello GNUzilla maintainers,

We are planning to migrate all templated pages on gnu.org to HTML5 in
order to improve accessibility. But before doing this, deprecated tags
such as <tt>, <acronym> and <big> need to be removed.

The home page of GNUzilla contains <tt>. I got rid of it, and took this
opportunity to make other changes:

* Page structure

 - Remove the first heading (Introducing GNUzilla and IceCat),
   which takes up space without adding significant information.
 - Make "Privacy protection features" and "Online help" separate
   sections (h4 > h3).
 - Place "Free add-ons and plugins" inside Downloads (h3 > h4).
 - In this section, use <ul> instead of <p>.
 - Add a button to download the latest release.

  ==> To ease up maintenance, you could add a "gnuzilla-latest" symlink
      to the download directory.

* Text

 - Rewrite some sentences to make link text more meaningful
   (no URL: screen readers spell them letter by letter).

* Minor edits

 - Replace <tt> with quotes, <i>, <kbd> or <code>
   (<kbd> has a special style).
 - English quotes rather than straight quotes.
 - http > https where possible.
 - Remove "http://www.gnu.org" from local URL,
 - Add punctuation at the end of list items.
 - Add a missing </p>.
 - Update to the current boilerplate (CC BY-ND 4.0).
 - Link to the Wayback Machine archive of the Hitflip website
   (no images, unfortunately).

* Layout and style

 - Move style definitions to <head>.
 - Use em instead of px for consistency with layout.css.
 - Center the main heading.
 - Emphasize the Features section with a blue border.
 - Limit line width.


A diff is attached. If you agree with the changes but don't have time
to commit them right now, I will gladly do it.

Best regards,
Thérèse



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very thorough - gj Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se

seeing as the page is being revised, i could add a few notes

1) regarding the layout, the logo at the top of the page, is what
   is wasting the most space - i suggest making the initial
   paragraph of text to wrap around that image - the image could
   even be enlarged a bit, in that case


2) the URL of the list of "free addons" does not actually point
   to the addons; but the icecat FSD entry - the URL for the
   addons is:

https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:IceCat_plugins


3) for the sake of readability, i would suggest changing the
   heading "Langpacks" to "Language Packs"

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very thorough - gj Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se

seeing as the page is being revised, i could add a few notes

1) regarding the layout, the logo at the top of the page, is what
   is wasting the most space - i suggest making the initial
   paragraph of text to wrap around that image - the image could
   even be enlarged a bit, in that case


2) the URL of the list of "free addons" does not actually point
   to the addons; but the icecat FSD entry - the URL for the
   addons is:

https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:IceCat_plugins


3) for the sake of readability, i would suggest changing the
   heading "Langpacks" to "Language Packs"

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look like i double posted - i guess i still dont know how this
new system works - my first reply went to bug-gnuzilla@HIDDEN;
but the OP appears to have been sent to 42815 <at> debbugs.gnu.org -
my client did not add the debbugs address to the CC list; so i
re-sent it explicitly; supposing that Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se may not see it
otherwise - then i see that both messages appeared on the
bug-gnuzilla list

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Hi Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se, bill-auger,

Thanks a lot for the patch, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se!  I went ahead and applied it=
, with
some minor changes/comments below.


Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy writes:

> Hello GNUzilla maintainers,
>
[...]
>  - Add a button to download the latest release.
>
>   =3D=3D> To ease up maintenance, you could add a "gnuzilla-latest" symli=
nk
>       to the download directory.
>

You mean adding a line like the following to the .symlinks of the
gnuzilla web repo

,----[ .symlinks ]
| https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/60.7.0/ gnuzilla-latest
`----

and replacing the link for your newly added "Latest release" button with
something like href=3D"gnuzilla-latest", and then bumping the .symlinks
entry in each new release?

Also, regarding the button, I changed the CSS selector from ".button" to
"#content .button" to avoid it messing with the FSF line at the top.

[...]
>  - Limit line width.
>

On the one hand I like the narrower lines, making it easier to follow
the text from one line to the next, but I can't help but feel the new
large margins are a bit distracting :-/.  What are your thoughts?  Do we
have examples of other project pages using .reduced-width for all of
their page?  Can we make all of=20


bill-auger writes:

> very thorough - gj Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>
> seeing as the page is being revised, i could add a few notes
>
> 1) regarding the layout, the logo at the top of the page, is what
>    is wasting the most space - i suggest making the initial
>    paragraph of text to wrap around that image - the image could
>    even be enlarged a bit, in that case
>

I'm thinking of going the other way, pulling the logo up on the same
line as the title, something like <https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/>,
and making it a bit smaller maybe.  I'll experiment with that later
tonight and see how it turns out.

>
>
> 2) the URL of the list of "free addons" does not actually point
>    to the addons; but the icecat FSD entry - the URL for the
>    addons is:
>
> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:IceCat_plugins
>
>
> 3) for the sake of readability, i would suggest changing the
>    heading "Langpacks" to "Language Packs"

Thanks, applied both of these suggestions.

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Hi Amin and Bill,

Thank you for your prompt reply!

Le 12/08/2020 =C3=A0 00:52, Amin Bandali a =C3=A9crit=C2=A0:
> Hi Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se, bill-auger,
>=20
> Thanks a lot for the patch, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se!  I went ahead and applie=
d it, with
> some minor changes/comments below.
>=20
>=20
> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy writes:
>=20
>> Hello GNUzilla maintainers,
>>
> [...]
>>  - Add a button to download the latest release.
>>
>>   =3D=3D> To ease up maintenance, you could add a "gnuzilla-latest" sy=
mlink
>>       to the download directory.
>>
>=20
> You mean adding a line like the following to the .symlinks of the
> gnuzilla web repo
>=20
> ,----[ .symlinks ]
> | https://ftpmirror.gnu.org/gnuzilla/60.7.0/ gnuzilla-latest
> `----
>=20
> and replacing the link for your newly added "Latest release" button wit=
h
> something like href=3D"gnuzilla-latest", and then bumping the .symlinks=

> entry in each new release?
>
I wasn't thinking of the .symlinks file, but of adding a gnuzilla-latest
entry to the download directory. See GNU Parallel [0].

[0] https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parallel/

> Also, regarding the button, I changed the CSS selector from ".button" t=
o
> "#content .button" to avoid it messing with the FSF line at the top.

Thanks, Amin! I had forgotten about this. The footer also has buttons.

> [...]
>>  - Limit line width.
>>
>=20
> On the one hand I like the narrower lines, making it easier to follow
> the text from one line to the next, but I can't help but feel the new
> large margins are a bit distracting :-/.  What are your thoughts?  Do w=
e
> have examples of other project pages using .reduced-width for all of
> their page?  Can we make all of=20
>=20
Yes, there are several. I think the first one I did was Gnuastro [1]
(the "reduced-width" class wasn't defined yet).
Maybe you could increase the width from 45 to 50 or 55em. For Gnuastro,
it is 48em.

[1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuastro/gnuastro.html

> bill-auger writes:
>=20
>> very thorough - gj Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se
>>
>> seeing as the page is being revised, i could add a few notes
>>
>> 1) regarding the layout, the logo at the top of the page, is what
>>    is wasting the most space - i suggest making the initial
>>    paragraph of text to wrap around that image - the image could
>>    even be enlarged a bit, in that case
>>
Space is only a problem on narrow screens, where the text can't wrap
around the logo [2, 3].

[2] https://www.gnu.org/software/recutils/
(It would be better to center the logo on narrow screens.)

[3] https://www.gnu.org/software/gcal/
(I should remove the Introduction heading on this one.)

> I'm thinking of going the other way, pulling the logo up on the same
> line as the title, something like <https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/>=
,
> and making it a bit smaller maybe.  I'll experiment with that later
> tonight and see how it turns out.
>=20
I like your idea, Bill. I may give it a try too.

>> 2) the URL of the list of "free addons" does not actually point
>>    to the addons; but the icecat FSD entry - the URL for the
>>    addons is:
>>
>> https://directory.fsf.org/wiki/Collection:IceCat_plugins
>>
>>
>> 3) for the sake of readability, i would suggest changing the
>>    heading "Langpacks" to "Language Packs"
>=20
> Thanks, applied both of these suggestions.
>=20

All the best,
Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se


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Le 12/08/2020 à 15:59, Thérèse Godefroy a écrit :
[...]
>> I'm thinking of going the other way, pulling the logo up on the same
>> line as the title, something like <https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/>,
>> and making it a bit smaller maybe.  I'll experiment with that later
>> tonight and see how it turns out.
>>
> I like your idea, Bill. I may give it a try too.
[...]

See gnuzilla.1.diff, attached.

The text wraps, otherwise it would look like a long tail. I don't think
the ice cat has such a long one.

The logo and the text will stay side by side down to 19em (304px). Below
that, they are centered.

Thérèse


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+    width: 18em;
+    max-width: 100%;
+    margin: 0 auto 2em;
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+  h2 {
+    max-width: 6em;
+    float: right;
+    margin: .2em 0 0 1em;
+  }
   img#logo {
-    display:block;
-    width:8em;
-    margin:1.25em auto 2.5em;
+    width: 5.6em;
+    margin: 0;
   }
   #features {
@@ -22,11 +31,26 @@
   h4 { font-size: 1.125em; }
   #content .button { margin-bottom: 1.5em; }
+
+@media (max-width: 19em) {
+  #main-heading {
+    width: 100%;
+    text-align: center; }
+  h2 {
+    float: none;
+    width: 100%;
+    margin: 0 auto .5em;
+  }
+}
+@media (min-width: 30em) {
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+  img#logo { width: 6.5em; }
+}
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-<p>
+<div id="main-heading">
+<h2>GNUzilla and IceCat</h2>
   <a href="icecat.png">
     <img src="icecat-128.png" 
@@ -34,6 +58,6 @@
          alt=" [GNU IceCat logo] " />
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-</p>
-
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+<div style="clear: both"></div>
 
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Le 12/08/2020 à 17:42, Thérèse Godefroy a écrit :
[...]
> See gnuzilla.1.diff, attached.

I fixed a few small typos:
 - 2 instances of Icecat,
 - nested parentheses in #bugs.

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retrieving revision 1.74
diff -U 2 -r1.74 index.html
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@@ -4,8 +4,17 @@
 <title>GNUzilla and IceCat - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation</title>
 <style type="text/css" media="print,screen"><!--
+  #main-heading {
+    width: 18em;
+    max-width: 100%;
+    margin: 0 auto 2em;
+  }
+  h2 {
+    max-width: 6em;
+    float: right;
+    margin: .2em 0 0 1em;
+  }
   img#logo {
-    display:block;
-    width:8em;
-    margin:1.25em auto 2.5em;
+    width: 5.6em;
+    margin: 0;
   }
   #features {
@@ -22,11 +31,26 @@
   h4 { font-size: 1.125em; }
   #content .button { margin-bottom: 1.5em; }
+
+@media (max-width: 19em) {
+  #main-heading {
+    width: 100%;
+    text-align: center; }
+  h2 {
+    float: none;
+    width: 100%;
+    margin: 0 auto .5em;
+  }
+}
+@media (min-width: 30em) {
+  #main-heading { width: 21em; }
+  img#logo { width: 6.5em; }
+}
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 <div class="reduced-width">
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-<p>
+<div id="main-heading">
+<h2>GNUzilla and IceCat</h2>
   <a href="icecat.png">
     <img src="icecat-128.png" 
@@ -34,6 +58,6 @@
          alt=" [GNU IceCat logo] " />
   </a>
-</p>
-
+</div>
+<div style="clear: both"></div>
 
 <p>
@@ -90,5 +114,5 @@
 <h3 id="downloads">Downloads</h3>
 
-<h4>Official releases of Icecat</h4>
+<h4>Official releases of IceCat</h4>
 <p>
   They are available from <a href="//ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/">ftp.gnu.org</a>,
@@ -193,5 +217,5 @@
 
 <p>
-  You can find langpacks for Icecat on
+  You can find langpacks for IceCat on
   <a href="//ftp.gnu.org/gnu/gnuzilla/">ftp.gnu.org</a>,
   in the <code>langpacks</code> directory for a given release.
@@ -246,7 +270,7 @@
   Found a bug?  Have a suggestion?  Please report it to the
   <a href="#lists">bug-gnuzilla list</a>, trying to specify all the
-  information that could be involved (platform, program version (the
+  information that could be involved: platform, program version (the
   command <kbd>icecat&nbsp;--version</kbd> will report this), and build
-  tools version if building from source code).  Please report both the
+  tools version if building from source code.  Please report both the
   observed and the expected behaviors.
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Hi Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se, bill-auger,

Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se Godefroy writes:

> Hi Amin and Bill,
>
> Thank you for your prompt reply!
>

Likewise you, Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se!

[...]
> I wasn't thinking of the .symlinks file, but of adding a gnuzilla-latest
> entry to the download directory. See GNU Parallel [0].
>
> [0] https://ftp.gnu.org/gnu/parallel/
>

Ah, I see.  I'll check the maintainers' manual for more information
about that.

>
>> Also, regarding the button, I changed the CSS selector from ".button" to
>> "#content .button" to avoid it messing with the FSF line at the top.
>
> Thanks, Amin! I had forgotten about this. The footer also has buttons.
>

Cheers!  Good call on the footer, I didn't even notice that. :-)

>
>> [...]
>>>  - Limit line width.
>>>
>>=20
>> On the one hand I like the narrower lines, making it easier to follow
>> the text from one line to the next, but I can't help but feel the new
>> large margins are a bit distracting :-/.  What are your thoughts?  Do we
>> have examples of other project pages using .reduced-width for all of
>> their page?  Can we make all of=20
>>=20
> Yes, there are several. I think the first one I did was Gnuastro [1]
> (the "reduced-width" class wasn't defined yet).
> Maybe you could increase the width from 45 to 50 or 55em. For Gnuastro,
> it is 48em.
>
> [1] https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuastro/gnuastro.html
>

I see; thanks for the link!

[...]
>
> All the best,
> Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se

I went ahead and applied the second version of your second patch as well
Th=C3=A9r=C3=A8se.  But then ended up playing around with things and tweaki=
ng it,
in part to fix a vertical alignment issue and slightly simplify things,
and ended up adding the following changes (see attached), which are now
visible on <https://www.gnu.org/software/gnuzilla/gnuzilla.html>.

My best,
amin


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   #main-heading {
=2D    width: 18em;
=2D    max-width: 100%;
=2D    margin: 0 auto 2em;
+    margin: 0 auto 1.5em;
+    text-align: center;
+  }
+  #main-heading > a {
+    display: inline-block;
   }
   h2 {
=2D    max-width: 6em;
=2D    float: right;
=2D    margin: .2em 0 0 1em;
+    display: inline-block;
+    margin: 0 0 .5em .25em;
+    position: relative;
+    top: .25em;
   }
   img#logo {
     width: 5.6em;
     margin: 0;
+    vertical-align: middle;
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   #features {
     padding: 1em 1.5em 1.5em;
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=2D    width: 100%;
=2D    text-align: center; }
+    margin: 0;
+  }
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=2D    float: none;
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=20
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+<a href=3D"icecat.png">
+  <img src=3D"icecat-128.png"=20
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   GNUzilla is the GNU version of the Mozilla suite, and GNU IceCat is

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