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Running Tramp tests in test/lisp/net/tramp-tests.el leaves processes
on the remote system that don't get cleaned up.  For almost every test
in the test suite, when the test exits, 3 processes are left running
on the remote: 2 sshd's and one /bin/sh (and some tests leave more
than one such triplet of processes).  These processes must be cleaned
up by hand (by using "kill -HUP" on the remote system) in order not to
fill the system with zombie processes that eventually cause
connections to fail because the OS cannot start another shell process.


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From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Re: bug#26911: 25.2; eshell "cd .." doesn't work correctly with TRAMP
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Eli,

>> Most of the tests start with (skip-unless (tramp--test-enabled)). This
>> defun calls tramp-cleanup-connection, which shall also kill all related
>> Tramp processes. Doesn't seem to work on MS Windows.
>
> AFAICS, tramp-cleanup-connection deletes the network connection
> processes, but is that supposed to make sure the other side of the
> connection exits cleanly?

It does at least when you're on GNU/Linux. What happens on MS Windows is
beyond my knowledge.

Perhaps I'll call process-send-eof prior killing the process?

>> Maybe we shall simply allow both messages, because the exact wording
>> doesn't matter. What about the appended patch?
>
> It fixes the problem, thanks.

Pushed to master.

Best regards, Michael.

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Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 20:56:00 +0300
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> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 26911 <at> debbugs.gnu.org,  mattiase@HIDDEN,  eggert@HIDDEN,
>   yegortimoshenko@HIDDEN
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>
> > AFAICS, tramp-cleanup-connection deletes the network connection
> > processes, but is that supposed to make sure the other side of the
> > connection exits cleanly?
>
> It does at least when you're on GNU/Linux. What happens on MS Windows is
> beyond my knowledge.

Indeed, it's strange that the result should depend on the local
system, since the commands sent to the remote are the same in boths
cases, I'd imagine.

> Perhaps I'll call process-send-eof prior killing the process?

If you show me a patch, I can try it.  But let's continue discussing
this in the bug I filed, bug#43226.

Thanks.

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Hi Eli,

>> > AFAICS, tramp-cleanup-connection deletes the network connection
>> > processes, but is that supposed to make sure the other side of the
>> > connection exits cleanly?
>>
>> It does at least when you're on GNU/Linux. What happens on MS Windows is
>> beyond my knowledge.
>
> Indeed, it's strange that the result should depend on the local
> system, since the commands sent to the remote are the same in boths
> cases, I'd imagine.

Maybe it has nothing to do with the local OS but with the local
program? On GNU/Linux we use ssh, on MS Windows we use plink.

Best regards, Michael.

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> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>
> Date: Sat, 05 Sep 2020 21:16:25 +0200
> 
> > Indeed, it's strange that the result should depend on the local
> > system, since the commands sent to the remote are the same in boths
> > cases, I'd imagine.
> 
> Maybe it has nothing to do with the local OS but with the local
> program? On GNU/Linux we use ssh, on MS Windows we use plink.

Maybe so, but what do we expect from ssh/plink which should happen
when the connection closes, that might not happen with plink?

E.g., if I run 'plink ... "cat foo"', the processes created on the
remote disappear immediately as soon as 'cat' finishes its job.  Same
if I log in and type Ctrl-D, or just close the window where plink runs
interactively.  What is different about the connections made by Tramp
or the test suite?

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Eli,

>> Maybe it has nothing to do with the local OS but with the local
>> program? On GNU/Linux we use ssh, on MS Windows we use plink.
>
> Maybe so, but what do we expect from ssh/plink which should happen
> when the connection closes, that might not happen with plink?
>
> E.g., if I run 'plink ... "cat foo"', the processes created on the
> remote disappear immediately as soon as 'cat' finishes its job.  Same
> if I log in and type Ctrl-D, or just close the window where plink runs
> interactively.  What is different about the connections made by Tramp
> or the test suite?

The difference is, that in your example the remote process finishes. In
Tramp, the local ssh or plink process is killed.

Does the appended patch makes a difference?

Best regards, Michael.


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*** /tmp/ediffJtV3Wc	2020-09-06 10:45:52.531153450 +0200
=2D-- /home/albinus/src/tramp/lisp/tramp-cmds.el	2020-09-06 10:44:50.95683=
6536 +0200
***************
*** 122,127 ****
=2D-- 122,128 ----
  		 (or (not keep-processes)
  		     (eq key (tramp-get-process vec))))
  	(tramp-flush-connection-properties key)
+ 	(process-send-eof key)
  	(delete-process key)))

      ;; Remove buffers.
***************
*** 186,192 ****

    ;; Remove processes and buffers.
    (dolist (name (tramp-list-tramp-buffers))
!     (when (processp (get-buffer-process name)) (delete-process name))
      (when (bufferp (get-buffer name)) (kill-buffer name)))

    ;; The end.
=2D-- 187,195 ----

    ;; Remove processes and buffers.
    (dolist (name (tramp-list-tramp-buffers))
!     (when (processp (get-buffer-process name))
!       (process-send-eof name)
!       (delete-process name))
      (when (bufferp (get-buffer name)) (kill-buffer name)))

    ;; The end.

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> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>
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> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 10:49:51 +0200
> 
> Does the appended patch makes a difference?

I'm afraid it doesn't.

Just to be sure I test this correctly: after installing the change and
compiling tramp-cmds.el, I run the test tramp-test30-make-process
twice.  What I see after the first run is that 2 'cat' processes (each
one with 2 sshd) and one /bin/sh process (with 2 sshd processes of its
own) are left behind.  After the second run, I see 4 'cat' processes
(each one with 2 sshd) and the same single /bin/sh process with its 2
sshd processes.  Thus my conclusion is that sending EOF to the
processes doesn't help.

Thanks.

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Eli,

> Just to be sure I test this correctly: after installing the change and
> compiling tramp-cmds.el, I run the test tramp-test30-make-process
> twice.  What I see after the first run is that 2 'cat' processes (each
> one with 2 sshd) and one /bin/sh process (with 2 sshd processes of its
> own) are left behind.  After the second run, I see 4 'cat' processes
> (each one with 2 sshd) and the same single /bin/sh process with its 2
> sshd processes.  Thus my conclusion is that sending EOF to the
> processes doesn't help.

Yes, this is right. I have no idea how else we could kill the remote
processes, prior killing the local plink.

We could send the "exit" command. But the idea of
tramp-cleanup-connection is to unblock a remote connection. Sending just
another command doesn't sound like TRT.

> Thanks.

Best regards, Michael.

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> From: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 43226 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Sun, 06 Sep 2020 17:54:51 +0200
> 
> > Just to be sure I test this correctly: after installing the change and
> > compiling tramp-cmds.el, I run the test tramp-test30-make-process
> > twice.  What I see after the first run is that 2 'cat' processes (each
> > one with 2 sshd) and one /bin/sh process (with 2 sshd processes of its
> > own) are left behind.  After the second run, I see 4 'cat' processes
> > (each one with 2 sshd) and the same single /bin/sh process with its 2
> > sshd processes.  Thus my conclusion is that sending EOF to the
> > processes doesn't help.
> 
> Yes, this is right. I have no idea how else we could kill the remote
> processes, prior killing the local plink.

I think at this point we need some expert on TCP connections to chime
in.  AFAIU, your hypothesis is that the way we kill network processes
on MS-Windows somehow fails to send SIGHUP to the other end of the
connection?  I'm not sure how this could happen, since I think Windows
sockets are a more-or-less faithful emulation of sockets.

Or maybe you (or someone else) could describe in detail how the
deletion of the network-connection process is supposed to shut down
the processes on the other end of the connection?

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> From: Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@HIDDEN>
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> Could this be related to this rather annoying issue with Magit on
> Windows?
> 
> https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3624
> 
> BTW, the hang happens not only with Plink, but also with ssh.exe (the
> built-in OpenSSH in Windows).

I don't know.  If this is about remote Git processes, then
process-send-eof sends EOF via the network connection, doesn't it?  If
so, the network-connection implementation of process-send-eof works on
MS-Windows like it works on any other system: we call 'shutdown'.

If in this scenario we try to send EOF to a local process running on
Windows, then we close the file descriptor, like we do on other
systems.  Why would that not work?

Bottom line: I have no idea what's going on there, sorry.

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Could this be related to this rather annoying issue with Magit on
Windows?

https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3624

BTW, the hang happens not only with Plink, but also with ssh.exe (the
built-in OpenSSH in Windows).

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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:

> I don't know.  If this is about remote Git processes, then
> process-send-eof sends EOF via the network connection, doesn't it?  If
> so, the network-connection implementation of process-send-eof works on
> MS-Windows like it works on any other system: we call 'shutdown'.

Indeed =E2=80=93 when you work with remote git working trees over Tramp and=
 want
to stage individual hunks from the Magit interface, it will run "git
apply -" (with a bunch of extra parameters) and attempts to send the
patches over to standard in. This, unlike staging a whole file (which
simply does "git add <file>"), hangs your whole Emacs session until you
hit C-g.

Consider this example that seems to work fine (no cmdproxy involved):

(let ((start-file-process "eoftest" (get-buffer-create "*eoftest*")
			  "ssh" "<hostname>" "cat"))
  (sit-for 10)
  (process-send-string sshz "foo")
  (sit-for 5)
  (process-send-eof sshz))

vs this that hangs, leaving cat running forever:

(let ((default-directory "/sshx:<hostname>:/home/my/git/dir")
      (sshz start-file-process "eoftest" (get-buffer-create "*eoftest*")
			  "cat"))
  (sit-for 10)
  (process-send-string sshz "foo")
  (sit-for 5)
  (process-send-eof sshz))

The cat process does not even seem to receive any input ("foo") I trace
it in the remote machine.

ps. I wonder why my emails are not appearing in debbugs?

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Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@HIDDEN> writes:

Hi Henrik,

> ps. I wonder why my emails are not appearing in debbugs?

They are there, after I did approve your messages for the debbugs ML. I
do it one or two times a day, other people do also, but we're not a 24/7 service.

Best regards, Michael.

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> From: Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@HIDDEN>
> Cc: 43226 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Tue, 25 Oct 2022 16:56:37 +0300
> 
> Consider this example that seems to work fine (no cmdproxy involved):
> 
> (let ((start-file-process "eoftest" (get-buffer-create "*eoftest*")
> 			  "ssh" "<hostname>" "cat"))
>   (sit-for 10)
>   (process-send-string sshz "foo")
>   (sit-for 5)
>   (process-send-eof sshz))
> 
> vs this that hangs, leaving cat running forever:
> 
> (let ((default-directory "/sshx:<hostname>:/home/my/git/dir")
>       (sshz start-file-process "eoftest" (get-buffer-create "*eoftest*")
> 			  "cat"))
>   (sit-for 10)
>   (process-send-string sshz "foo")
>   (sit-for 5)
>   (process-send-eof sshz))
> 
> The cat process does not even seem to receive any input ("foo") I trace
> it in the remote machine.

Maybe Michael (CC'ed) can explain how this is supposed to work,
because I don't think I understand.  The actual process run by Emacs
is ssh, not cat, so how is EOF supposed to get to the remote "cat"?

> ps. I wonder why my emails are not appearing in debbugs?

No clue.  Fortunately, Michael also knows about debbugs much more than
I do.

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> From: Henrik Ahlgren <pablo@HIDDEN>
> Cc: Michael Albinus <michael.albinus@HIDDEN>, 43226 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Date: Wed, 26 Oct 2022 14:34:09 +0300
> 
> This issue is documented on the FAQ section of the Magit manual:
> 
>   A.2.13 I am unable to stage when using Tramp from MS Windows
>   ------------------------------------------------------------
> 
>   Magit may be unable to stage (or otherwise apply) individual hunks when
>   you are connected to remote machine using Tramp and the local machine
>   uses MS Windows.
> 
>      There appears to be a problem with ‘process-send-eof’ in this
>   scenario, as mentioned at the end of ‘tramp-tests.el’.  I have contacted
>   the Tramp maintainer about this.  For now this unfortunately means that
>   it just doesn’t work and we cannot do anything about it.  If you have
>   more information, then please comment on
>   <https://github.com/magit/magit/issues/3624>.

This doesn't really add any useful information.

> After some debugging I figured out that by simply adding
> (process-send-string process "\004") in magic-process.el before (maybe
> even instead?) of process-send-eof, it works perfectly well. Maybe it's
> a valid workaround, or even the proper fix, but clearly there is some
> point of having a separate function for sending EOF.
> 
> In the C implementation of process-send-eof (Emacs 27.1), it seems to only
> send EOF if the process has pty_flag set:
> 
>   if (XPROCESS (proc)->pty_flag)
>     send_process (proc, "\004", 1, Qnil);
> 
> I think this could be the reason: after all I believe PTYs are a fairly
> recent feature in Windows and Emacs does not support it yet?

Emacs doesn't (and probably will not) support the Windows
Pseudo-Console because it falls short of what Emacs needs: it doesn't
allow to send stuff in arbitrary encoding via this channel.  I filed a
bug report with the developers many moons ago, but their response was
that it will probably never fixed.  So you can only talk to a program
that uses the current system codepage, which is useless for Emacs.

So the ->pty_flag case is not for Windows.  And even if we did try
using it, it wouldn't have worked for local processes, because Ctrl-D
is NOT the EOF character on Windows; it's Ctrl-Z, and then only if the
sub-process does text-mode reads (in binary mode, there's no way to
send EOF to a subprocess, only kill it).

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