GNU bug report logs - #43997
26.3; Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame

Please note: This is a static page, with minimal formatting, updated once a day.
Click here to see this page with the latest information and nicer formatting.

Package: emacs; Severity: wishlist; Reported by: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>; dated Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:20:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
Removed tag(s) moreinfo. Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

Message received at 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org:


Received: (at 43997) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jun 2021 15:35:20 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 06 11:35:20 2021
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53725 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1lpuo4-000411-Io
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:35:20 -0400
Received: from aserp2130.oracle.com ([141.146.126.79]:43746)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1lpuo0-00040j-TP
 for 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 11:35:19 -0400
Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2130.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by aserp2130.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 156FU5WY088948;
 Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:35:10 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com;
 h=from : to : cc :
 subject : date : message-id : references : in-reply-to : content-type :
 content-transfer-encoding : mime-version; s=corp-2020-01-29;
 bh=tjLvWVKye2kOOOfniL7psjZNmFyoX1k1HlcCzqLHSWo=;
 b=bh76dlq6o7+YXMq5NrQdPT7K9QBablQsLaOVWfoHRy+vwAkgq+a2cIOHIpIiH/71fp6c
 EtDTioQXY62NmXwRmbceudGEI+3vcDcZjWUbjLLfFCFoz0n6bOSfyw1VY11bx5gQ35KF
 JQsSLsFrsuSRykOv4U+JsBFfI/Qe6C0MDr+MPReaMBgAHWC2tBIubzRbISZ089OuxzrG
 Y4hm4gscpDm+fEqaya4smdypmwaQG/r5yk312g90slE5SJlijdHQQwm1ouVMHHr0k6x3
 gWkb5HAchrV2uHfz3FY6aaADfrAFDmU6UwRjNECghGrKBzcPEXiXMIfh5J1OJ/um7rB2 UQ== 
Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80])
 by aserp2130.oracle.com with ESMTP id 38yxsc9eef-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK);
 Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:35:10 +0000
Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 156FUDdF152139;
 Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:35:09 GMT
Received: from nam10-dm6-obe.outbound.protection.outlook.com
 (mail-dm6nam10lp2109.outbound.protection.outlook.com [104.47.58.109])
 by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 38yxct9yqj-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK);
 Sun, 06 Jun 2021 15:35:09 +0000
ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; s=arcselector9901; d=microsoft.com; cv=none;
 b=Mmyc+Guk3SrA8cLdcBFfaBGIlZE47i+rPYgadzTXyWeXL/PsidrEcDCgX6w1mxjziMJCkqzuikNG71Xoh/AsEGkR7SCrekONAs4cuSLvRaWGt/2HhudgnzNcOd6LV/VGKu0kQK5qD8g7B4dsNbdFYboEAcSFfuU/r7y34SfQtFHCMAFwm+mRwGRiii0RjioVI9amH9IBXY7ETWTlIThksFqyiiVtMHZS8f4XjBreUH4lAds4tEh9hr1/d0BNf5lkCzMV5/FDv4GaOQjSfiNdp2eZEuSgWTD0g+sL1f/4avtZ4dosQ8UgSldj+65BWHo5T73LGFPfMdAtRNpJ7k0L/w==
ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=microsoft.com; 
 s=arcselector9901;
 h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck;
 bh=tjLvWVKye2kOOOfniL7psjZNmFyoX1k1HlcCzqLHSWo=;
 b=ZGov4tXvBE7/xljouWxXIZUxINKgG/o2hPk4ecqy85gCRR2SnttHw6Or4AXs/nVg08YV7psm7DiJj1I7zfdIIhBMmlWYPpuNQBC1y3TtvpUDc8Icexwn7ucD2wc4pEppeuUJ8cSGBWlCdxfjaHW9vuKvSfq1V3Z4ak8ChXOqqCtHbLbXFtbyaBErRkUxX32ueBXijNa4I+g2n0fPlR5mWq8ySKboPAEQrPQ18pgIpGY9twWvbtb4b1leNuqEXr8NVM9KKWsL10Lydus+rJcAb4qZnTJ5b1ElvIIFZ5we0WP7XaslO708IKDxzqDG7r7Tq0+HsV3b0RWM6eCEVys8Hw==
ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.microsoft.com 1; spf=pass
 smtp.mailfrom=oracle.com; dmarc=pass action=none header.from=oracle.com;
 dkim=pass header.d=oracle.com; arc=none
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed;
 d=oracle.onmicrosoft.com; s=selector2-oracle-onmicrosoft-com;
 h=From:Date:Subject:Message-ID:Content-Type:MIME-Version:X-MS-Exchange-SenderADCheck;
 bh=tjLvWVKye2kOOOfniL7psjZNmFyoX1k1HlcCzqLHSWo=;
 b=GJ8lduc/BNXcRRvVk3AKE1E6ejVlWkFw3acDyquDRII75V3poVkr994pfHyMFxOc8zSgctGSBrk0sgiNemFaRRdsErnMM7mjaR7ybtzAWmTJvQZBG5X84pShs/TIp4hedIjOu0P9WpgwmKcqawnWLwd1NNzYQlZQQuMt/XnNCtI=
Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:11b::15)
 by SA2PR10MB4569.namprd10.prod.outlook.com (2603:10b6:806:111::11)
 with Microsoft SMTP Server (version=TLS1_2,
 cipher=TLS_ECDHE_RSA_WITH_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) id 15.20.4195.24; Sun, 6 Jun
 2021 15:35:07 +0000
Received: from SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
 ([fe80::2109:9725:fd4a:6494]) by SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
 ([fe80::2109:9725:fd4a:6494%6]) with mapi id 15.20.4195.030; Sun, 6 Jun 2021
 15:35:07 +0000
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
Subject: RE: [External] : Re: bug#43997: 26.3; Be able to have a mode-line for
 a standalone minibuffer frame
Thread-Topic: [External] : Re: bug#43997: 26.3; Be able to have a mode-line
 for a standalone minibuffer frame
Thread-Index: AQHXWsEbyZS2nFRQDE2AkFaj3jU3k6sHG5ZA
Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2021 15:35:06 +0000
Message-ID: <SA2PR10MB44748BD15551A8E61370AEB0F3399@HIDDEN>
References: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default>
 <87im2rs248.fsf@HIDDEN>
In-Reply-To: <87im2rs248.fsf@HIDDEN>
Accept-Language: en-US
Content-Language: en-US
X-MS-Has-Attach: 
X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: 
authentication-results: gnus.org; dkim=none (message not signed)
 header.d=none;gnus.org; dmarc=none action=none header.from=oracle.com;
x-originating-ip: [73.170.83.28]
x-ms-publictraffictype: Email
x-ms-office365-filtering-correlation-id: 75656e3f-181d-46ea-b757-08d92900a980
x-ms-traffictypediagnostic: SA2PR10MB4569:
x-microsoft-antispam-prvs: <SA2PR10MB45697072D0595EC0B7B26993F3399@HIDDEN>
x-ms-oob-tlc-oobclassifiers: OLM:8273;
x-ms-exchange-senderadcheck: 1
x-microsoft-antispam: BCL:0;
x-microsoft-antispam-message-info: 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
x-forefront-antispam-report: CIP:255.255.255.255; CTRY:; LANG:en; SCL:1; SRV:;
 IPV:NLI; SFV:NSPM; H:SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com; PTR:; CAT:NONE;
 SFS:(136003)(396003)(366004)(346002)(39860400002)(376002)(83380400001)(71200400001)(26005)(66556008)(66946007)(8936002)(478600001)(8676002)(6506007)(7696005)(52536014)(76116006)(66476007)(9686003)(86362001)(33656002)(4326008)(44832011)(5660300002)(122000001)(38100700002)(66446008)(316002)(6916009)(64756008)(186003)(55016002)(2906002);
 DIR:OUT; SFP:1101; 
x-ms-exchange-antispam-messagedata: =?us-ascii?Q?au3+zYiSJMcQ/RUsyAThfdyNNwMyLQ+pGgEvCRodvxuucAanjsfbZj4RkEUN?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?H0G+OgF5QQS8YjSPHvbD2AFjUA363tjk91KDwKeQj9fGg6SqB0mQyD+FI6Ku?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?c9mDIdBsS8QKZH6MYhvFFlEVyXhQ9ePy4No9chsLzSebI2VXGDE7EnaGRKkL?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?FV+PN7fMA3E4YW56+JFkpbpMn+NtusO/beUliLQcJioQ5Qe9/Isy0/a783wh?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?yTuDjQHITyu0CuGfcTTENfewXGS+b+TrPyBKqhGfu7nRGeIvS3Rs+77uyqmy?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?zoMbGcmQVVcqOlLsax+J5g5/uogo7+vvVKVZgB4wJoZxpV6XemPdHaE6LwyN?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?1oTVkMPhp5x9NWYIPvCaEsk8Pr9TJium8KD4vV6cRTOjBZjbTnz7CNI/Ym9r?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?To0Rt0ve95QvXmS7LF4yj3wbt1gMbQ0mrl0Yjj8JfwanugwRl31q0ayuO84p?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?yeBP05X5Ztg86772sbTz0AxJxqmnRXEtl2qDf15sJmM/0y+sJAyag4XgqHV6?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?J2Eb+aat0NG9i2KK5sRcazfzBp1HfYgIhIaYyrMSJq4xuoH/oytqIhX+u4sn?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?cZb18u8Jq5hiU9S9tSkj5wjw/PHVLztG5+eDyFyleuvt12XG7CwDCppqL922?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?scVwkkVYINPe4mDwHH4kamS0vape8iSlRkx/yY22KV525P1l1CXqgvRchnPW?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?Xn35NYBJgiQm6HpCG7tXr9xKN/KPWYlIvVP2Y9ac+dW/q5UiYOh134LnHQc5?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?jeC0bTOHu5vbzH1ZGi4EEQf+mjLsbqX9QnVEp5aC/gKyiT5niZygvwqzXson?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?1i8DWyFuoR9eEAGupuoada0F8LKI8QsuRs2y9E7CfTKU7If6MPl3kqmtKShb?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?Usnk6lWhrXPlb/0rHyckMZ7c0fK+lgTRgZDOxjNXTK8L5YuOHvWLXtG0iTFu?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?hCjWiOZwGe/4B1Ak5YkPYTipu5iwqU56rrS9UmNFJ/pnwohasi56Wur0LDqx?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?DpYeyT2ULv1Wrq7/KrpAkt/tai8mU29Kpotw/dD4Ywnz/e2258tweV7qFsQe?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?3+MLcBzuwPbBxQlHoFM96UqyIiNr5akWAM/N+gfUExWMc+2M8z90Mg2UwqGN?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?7bU4nRym7SOTEIrdt7LsFfCZlqcdvsjGTIZpyUNglVy3NxTUTJVV3BKWYZvs?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?5hFRVg+klfxpo6Z/T5XCsFy7cCYXmzoExaP6OhB+fwsYMTxRxLPR/kL6+GFZ?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?sCZJs8wCEImas4YuJBYeMLlJYpnUxsgbuv4hmhTl2nMCkXb+/YxWv7M6Lnm9?=
 =?us-ascii?Q?vvo=3D?=
x-ms-exchange-transport-forked: True
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
MIME-Version: 1.0
X-OriginatorOrg: oracle.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthAs: Internal
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-AuthSource: SA2PR10MB4474.namprd10.prod.outlook.com
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-Network-Message-Id: 75656e3f-181d-46ea-b757-08d92900a980
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-originalarrivaltime: 06 Jun 2021 15:35:06.9213 (UTC)
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-fromentityheader: Hosted
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-id: 4e2c6054-71cb-48f1-bd6c-3a9705aca71b
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-mailboxtype: HOSTED
X-MS-Exchange-CrossTenant-userprincipalname: BGunTiYL9aOyXimBAFAoUbIBrBQRsAqn7HEdBAhr2AOeGiBKZhH4HNNx+CtopMlEGcQ+p2Vg4HUNOqxLJuFogg==
X-MS-Exchange-Transport-CrossTenantHeadersStamped: SA2PR10MB4569
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10007
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0
 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0
 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000
 definitions=main-2106060127
X-Proofpoint-ORIG-GUID: 99r6AbSeiSjViYmOlLoCLd2r4_LL1jFK
X-Proofpoint-GUID: 99r6AbSeiSjViYmOlLoCLd2r4_LL1jFK
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6200 definitions=10007
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 impostorscore=0
 lowpriorityscore=0
 phishscore=0 suspectscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501
 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 clxscore=1011 adultscore=0
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2104190000
 definitions=main-2106060127
X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43997
Cc: "43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org" <43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---)

> > Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame.
>=20
> I'm not sure I understand the utility of this -- putting a mode line on
> a standalone minibuffer frame doesn't seem very useful.  Can you explain
> why you'd like to see this?

Be able to use that mode-line for whatever info one
wants.  In particular, info that's relevant to the
current state of the minibuffer.  (And no, things
like `minibuffer-message' are no substitute.)

There are plenty of (standard, predefined) frame
parameters that this or that user might never use
or see used.  I don't show the fringe or the tool
bar, for example, and innumerable users don't show
the menu-bar. =20

Why should users of a standalone minibuffer frame
not be able to use this potential information area?

You don't use a standalone minibuffer frame, I
assume.  Perhaps you don't understand the utility
of that either.  Why not take the word of someone
who does use it and does understand its utility?
Letting it be able to show a mode-line would
increase its utility.




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#43997; Package emacs. Full text available.
Added tag(s) moreinfo. Request was from Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> to control <at> debbugs.gnu.org. Full text available.

Message received at 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org:


Received: (at 43997) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Jun 2021 10:45:38 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Jun 06 06:45:38 2021
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50754 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1lpqHi-0002DF-Fi
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 06:45:38 -0400
Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:58398)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1lpqHg-00026a-JS
 for 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 06:45:37 -0400
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org;
 s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date:
 References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:
 Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender:
 Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe:
 List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive;
 bh=LfMnzEAdJ/ZO4EwxBy7onfAJWkEFddF2E3317PmwxDk=; b=p73G+L+jxhTkANf1qZHLoZcWxj
 5NcGt0yJIxIJaDRkJF3C37pC6D439CsfxA0v4w75qlG1kzA2IGl2OvwRzoP2pa6/9XhTGE1OO0Cp4
 gvcotZGkUD/ZwyFW4eRIDBbuLH63gXsMKisU6+fykxiyU5EQ0T5623TrIzYne3NLXxpc=;
Received: from cm-84.212.220.105.getinternet.no ([84.212.220.105] helo=xo)
 by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256)
 (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>)
 id 1lpqHY-0005gI-4a; Sun, 06 Jun 2021 12:45:30 +0200
From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#43997: 26.3; Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone
 minibuffer frame
References: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default>
X-Now-Playing: Crash Course In Science's _Situational Awareness_: "Fake
 Plastic"
Date: Sun, 06 Jun 2021 12:45:27 +0200
In-Reply-To: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default> (Drew Adams's
 message of "Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT)")
Message-ID: <87im2rs248.fsf@HIDDEN>
User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux)
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain
X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org",
 has NOT identified this incoming email as spam.  The original
 message has been attached to this so you can view it or label
 similar future email.  If you have any questions, see
 @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details.
 Content preview: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > Be able to have
 a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame. I'm not sure I understand
 the utility of this -- putting a mode line on a standalone minibuffer frame
 doesn't seem very useful. Can you explain why you'd like to see this? 
 Content analysis details:   (-2.9 points, 5.0 required)
 pts rule name              description
 ---- ---------------------- --------------------------------------------------
 -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED            Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP
 -1.9 BAYES_00               BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1%
 [score: 0.0000]
X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43997
Cc: 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-)

Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes:

> Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame.

I'm not sure I understand the utility of this -- putting a mode line on
a standalone minibuffer frame doesn't seem very useful.  Can you explain
why you'd like to see this?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#43997; Package emacs. Full text available.

Message received at 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org:


Received: (at 43997) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 15:28:05 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 15 11:28:05 2020
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56237 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1kT5AV-00078C-FU
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:28:05 -0400
Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:49406)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1kT5AQ-00077d-Rl
 for 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 11:27:48 -0400
Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09FFQ0MF134565;
 Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:27:41 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com;
 h=mime-version :
 message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references :
 in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29;
 bh=d8sKIPqnMMmb1KCinBqEG5Hi35t71JQM5mNH6jXKE3w=;
 b=LngS0NakYwd7EVvOdrD3mmuJMndFQ8/RiktmkD5a4Ortd9P+QYJnXCvXAn10L1KHFFzv
 ZG6qFtTwNey4sso59MQhEbieGM7RkF7wMduBFmDb2O5RMVOVXM35STUS5sPgE51sjxmP
 eVsDu2w3mFMaQlfYNSWaUE/8ILEXfm9DbiWzmxSQlz5oKfvUDfB6wLsRDgXyTssvl6/t
 E/yL7NjKUb32w1aUHDon0r5RfkXvFopNDzJ3Y43D0rdPZWJOxK8fIXeYipmKzFWh6xlz
 AlrgiZdfAy27+bM9nrUY9M73WBOkah4lxFA4iKaaGFi3hILgLF8A+75TLOJfP/zM+wdY ng== 
Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80])
 by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 343vaeknb9-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL);
 Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:27:41 +0000
Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09FFEeIf091138;
 Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:25:41 GMT
Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72])
 by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 343pw0h597-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK);
 Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:25:40 +0000
Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11])
 by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09FFPeG2002530;
 Thu, 15 Oct 2020 15:25:40 GMT
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <5737a8de-72fa-438d-9607-8516031353d6@default>
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 08:25:39 -0700 (PDT)
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
Subject: RE: bug#43997: 26.3; Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone
 minibuffer frame
References: <<01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default>>
 <<83pn5jy528.fsf@HIDDEN>>
In-Reply-To: <<83pn5jy528.fsf@HIDDEN>>
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1  (1003210) [OL
 16.0.5056.0 (x86)]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9774
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0
 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0
 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000
 definitions=main-2010150104
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9775
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxlogscore=999
 clxscore=1011
 impostorscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 priorityscore=1501
 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 spamscore=0 adultscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000
 definitions=main-2010150104
X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43997
Cc: 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---)

> > Presumably this should be covered by the (undocumented) frame parameter
> > `modeline'.  But it seems that if you set its value to t for a
> > minibuffer-only frame, the parameter value ends up nil anyway.
>=20
> Yes, you cannot set that parameter, because it doesn't really exist.

Aside from the parameter, which misleads, the enhancement
request remains: to be able to have a mode-line for a
standalone minibuffer frame.




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#43997; Package emacs. Full text available.

Message received at 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org:


Received: (at 43997) by debbugs.gnu.org; 15 Oct 2020 13:47:05 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Oct 15 09:47:05 2020
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54860 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1kT3ay-0006Mh-Qx
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:47:05 -0400
Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:47202)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kT3ax-0006M2-Ja
 for 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:47:03 -0400
Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50623)
 by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1)
 (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>)
 id 1kT3as-0001TV-2I; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:46:58 -0400
Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1298 helo=home-c4e4a596f7)
 by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256)
 (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>)
 id 1kT3ar-0003Y4-A9; Thu, 15 Oct 2020 09:46:57 -0400
Date: Thu, 15 Oct 2020 16:47:11 +0300
Message-Id: <83pn5jy528.fsf@HIDDEN>
From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>
To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
In-Reply-To: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default> (message from Drew
 Adams on Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT))
Subject: Re: bug#43997: 26.3;
 Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame
References: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default>
X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 43997
Cc: 43997 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---)

> Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
> 
> Presumably this should be covered by the (undocumented) frame parameter
> `modeline'.  But it seems that if you set its value to t for a
> minibuffer-only frame, the parameter value ends up nil anyway.

Yes, you cannot set that parameter, because it doesn't really exist.




Information forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#43997; Package emacs. Full text available.

Message received at submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org:


Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 14 Oct 2020 21:19:46 +0000
From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Oct 14 17:19:46 2020
Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53242 helo=debbugs.gnu.org)
	by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
	(envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>)
	id 1kSoBV-0002dT-OW
	for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:19:45 -0400
Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:58106)
 by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2)
 (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1kSoBU-0002dM-Gn
 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:19:44 -0400
Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:36698)
 by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256)
 (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>)
 id 1kSoBT-0005DK-NT
 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:19:44 -0400
Received: from aserp2120.oracle.com ([141.146.126.78]:35596)
 by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256)
 (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>)
 id 1kSoBQ-00084t-0G
 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 17:19:43 -0400
Received: from pps.filterd (aserp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by aserp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09ELEKQD054396
 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:19:35 GMT
DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com;
 h=mime-version :
 message-id : date : from : sender : to : subject : content-type :
 content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29;
 bh=D/x/lZUd9NCJ1HPdQDvDRFVtOCWdOJY5W5L+qOkf05I=;
 b=r3DxzOePNA3SBwutudJZO60XqLWkYYWE8sK3y/FZFYvJ8rc167lTvJ9VRphEc/tdmyNg
 wA3K9QUnUm52REsYBpwi92viKE54sCwSFilygBsElKt1ccWonGBx+o9e00bUR+zAXeor
 MHyxYjEHSnO6clbWxOkTLNR69gZ8brvBF9CPQuaXAgQiVnJIX+ZOTVIfaaNgIVgIQinq
 C80L0euz7OW1MpvJw228NucpNTgRzKDo+z6+ErSlzUJ1SIzxQ2aFpc4s1Vn3hH0axa8B
 /Nk8porJEN/roXG4QQ9KXdMPA0CsDVR2m2QDocWSWQZfPjQL+S4U0Co4x2VvQkh4r0ub Xg== 
Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80])
 by aserp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 3434wksusb-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL)
 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:19:35 +0000
Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1])
 by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 09ELEZLB113470
 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:19:34 GMT
Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72])
 by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 343pvydg56-1
 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK)
 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:19:34 +0000
Received: from abhmp0020.oracle.com (abhmp0020.oracle.com [141.146.116.26])
 by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 09ELJYgj020366
 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>; Wed, 14 Oct 2020 21:19:34 GMT
MIME-Version: 1.0
Message-ID: <01e6c73c-01e3-4f86-be5b-ca9930bfaaa7@default>
Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2020 14:19:33 -0700 (PDT)
From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>
To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN
Subject: 26.3; Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame
X-Priority: 3
X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1  (1003210) [OL
 16.0.5056.0 (x86)]
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9774
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0
 mlxscore=0 adultscore=0
 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=1 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000
 definitions=main-2010140148
X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9774
 signatures=668682
X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0
 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxscore=0
 malwarescore=0 phishscore=0 suspectscore=1 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1015
 spamscore=0 priorityscore=1501 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxlogscore=999
 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000
 definitions=main-2010140148
Received-SPF: pass client-ip=141.146.126.78;
 envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=aserp2120.oracle.com
X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/14 17:11:09
X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS   = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy]
X-Spam_score_int: -43
X-Spam_score: -4.4
X-Spam_bar: ----
X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001,
 DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1,
 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001,
 SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no
X-Spam_action: no action
X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-)
X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit
X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org
X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18
Precedence: list
List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe>
List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/>
List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help>
List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, 
 <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe>
Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>
X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--)

Be able to have a mode-line for a standalone minibuffer frame.

Presumably this should be covered by the (undocumented) frame parameter
`modeline'.  But it seems that if you set its value to t for a
minibuffer-only frame, the parameter value ends up nil anyway.

You can set lots of frame parameters for a standalone minibuffer frame,
but apparently not this one.  Not even if you set it from the outset,
for `minibuffer-frame-alist'.


In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32)
 of 2019-08-29
Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd
Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362
Configured using:
 `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32
 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''




Acknowledgement sent to Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#43997; Package emacs. Full text available.
Please note: This is a static page, with minimal formatting, updated once a day.
Click here to see this page with the latest information and nicer formatting.
Last modified: Mon, 5 Jul 2021 15:30:02 UTC

GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.