Received: (at 44078) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Oct 2020 11:35:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Oct 20 07:35:25 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43784 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kUpvJ-0002Kd-0j for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:35:25 -0400 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:45466) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kUpvH-0002KM-1Q for 44078 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 07:35:23 -0400 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=pdMybkYK54cn6eA+zag6cy4QKUWzWMKvZKf4G0m/eeo=; b=lkL3A69D2KPqtxTlzuUkT+odKo eLaWPWlDslDjO5AK7lpMhRYzaZObRAztqd/1tfvdX4HLgsN/VWHd4lpkRKh8lN65EpI1uNU6ugosQ kOGIb+4q3wK+sNPKjDk2QibRPKtMpgJrSXmjEF8V7i6eWD1uh7LNOs6gWS5L02z7g7AI=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kUpv7-0007If-QS; Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:16 +0200 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44078: 26.3; `tabulated-list-mode': Use it in any mode and for part of a buffer References: <bcb23108-8e7d-4157-8eaa-7a77ed66f4e1@default> X-Now-Playing: Christoph de Babalon's _Hectic Shakes_: "Raw Mind" Date: Tue, 20 Oct 2020 13:35:12 +0200 In-Reply-To: <bcb23108-8e7d-4157-8eaa-7a77ed66f4e1@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Mon, 19 Oct 2020 09:03:24 -0700 (PDT)") Message-ID: <87pn5dgmfj.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > But for `tabulated-list-mode' I think we need more than just to add a > minor-mode version. We really need a way to confine its effect to a > part of a buffer. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44078 Cc: 44078 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> writes: > But for `tabulated-list-mode' I think we need more than just to add a > minor-mode version. We really need a way to confine its effect to a > part of a buffer. Whenever I've done some work on tabulated-list-mode, I've been kinda frustrated by its design. You'd ideally just be able to have a functional interface where you just call a function with all the data (and some commands to apply to the data), and then everything would work. But instead it's a strange mixture of functional, buffer-local data and updating functions. A side effect of this is that the table isn't an "object" you can do operations on -- there can only be one table per buffer, and it wants to control the entire buffer. So I'd welcome a more functional rewrite of tabulated-list-mode that would constrain all actions to the area of the buffer where the table is, and leave the rest of the buffer alone. And stash the table data in the table instead of using the buffer-local variables. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=1 spamscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190110 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9778 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=1 lowpriorityscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010190110 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=156.151.31.85; envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=userp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/19 12:03:27 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) Feature request: I'd like to see `tabulated-list-mode' be usable for only part of a buffer. How? Dunno. Text property maybe, analogous to property `keymap'? One of its greatest weaknesses is that it's (only) a major mode. It's buffer-wide, which means you can't do anything else in the buffer. You can't use `tabulated-list-mode' for just some table(s) (tabulated info) within a buffer. This greatly limits its usefulness, IMO. In the beginning, IIRC, there was only the major mode `outline-mode'. Later we added `outline-minor-mode'. That at least took care of the problem of not being able to use it with another major mode. But for `tabulated-list-mode' I think we need more than just to add a minor-mode version. We really need a way to confine its effect to a part of a buffer. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''
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