Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 3 Nov 2020 14:36:15 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 03 09:36:15 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43966 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kZxPy-0001jJ-Tq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 09:36:15 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59712) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kZxPw-0001j2-No for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 09:36:13 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=o/mzveFfYRJ3gZo1dSVCO8CyrVol0+DaIarErJAwYYg=; b=NrUl8bPfZvtYVNfnqs+wRXMBab lWL76oELT9nkT7JniEIQ+XZkdyLCBYTIE4DW2zkP5w825uPe+YWvgrD1T1b0KqVdDdz8AeDYFLUBf 2v68fDOa0eT4/EX3MDzEVkT9LUXEvLA2+AAGkNeSBR9N3HQbJvH/R9ImOxjkDs5Hw5Tg=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1kZxPn-00083T-1Z; Tue, 03 Nov 2020 15:36:05 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <CADwFkmnHS8HG=GOZrLzkMSU3yd3a=OCXOLPXVKrDXiA1N7DxMw@HIDDEN> <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmkRxsZFPjJ1ngnMg+pgwRY8b2LZrPjM+r9oL9hqHLvEw@HIDDEN> <877dr7hlkf.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1pehj7l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blghdzb9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1pdf67c.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzz7q3g.fsf@HIDDEN> <831rhbeofu.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEVOPS0mGxPdv6O0 gWT///8TQLkMAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+QLAw4eDh0DUhkAAAGzSURBVDjLbVMBtoMw CAN7ATov4C8XqHD/u/1AW3X+z96mNiWJKSMaxSx0lZA0/FSpVFFM+DDHrQCYDfGYd7HMVXT2xsZF hH4RvztANAF+APl4UwVw7QsuHr3PjlQHR97I7Wr0ECcAMzfAw2a2ARd7rOdyKEcO2/P9BhYWhMsM KvdOLsqeR4fMNkRIX2YrXSqBZNy5UAuA0uvKgC4AW6S1E9evQDPevTXHqVwA+LAz9K3ZSfVS509r GgpuzXuEuICtgRwJofzEUfdcLkENbine3XrlTX3oHWhwN/ooucOuJRAsBV9rPx/APV4IF2IsKlkA BcoOc2JHUimcRhvotEcq2HVUHJY5V8gF0DRetA2AI5EN2naClQtLC46cG8g1BWDm3Tx6OULiGEkD QrBZFApgzHGOE/oAkLFbw9pKvErrXjdLC5SjX68CqxNSpHOe8Vft3tn/A+TgG5A86Vm6JiMjc+cF WF+Ke6xHdgPbeQEFubq6rpFbHpEMXthNXy5oR6Te1fsfANlo6aXM+byA4tq8kL1bYhhgirzzC6gx lVD/mf+OJ6AMV8dbPCd/Vzv/Allvt/UX4EtRNqcSn0cAAAAldEVYdGRhdGU6Y3JlYXRlADIwMjAt MTEtMDNUMTQ6MzA6MTMrMDA6MDCux578AAAAJXRFWHRkYXRlOm1vZGlmeQAyMDIwLTExLTAzVDE0 OjMwOjEzKzAwOjAw35omQAAAAABJRU5ErkJggg== X-Now-Playing: New Order's _Power, Corruption & Lies (1)_: "Your Silent Face" Date: Tue, 03 Nov 2020 15:36:01 +0100 In-Reply-To: <831rhbeofu.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 02 Nov 2020 18:03:17 +0200") Message-ID: <87lffiv772.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm not sure. The "i" here has serifs, surely? > > But the "T" isn't, surely? Nope. I guess it's basically a sans serif face, but with some serifs for clarity here and there. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> I'm not sure. The "i" here has serifs, surely? > > But the "T" isn't, surely? Nope. I guess it's basically a sans serif face, but with some serifs for clarity here and there. >> > But that's not what I was asking: the "Mono Serif" family could >> > include more than just DejaVu Mono. I'm asking whether asking for >> > that family always brings fonts with serifs, or sometimes you get >> > fonts without serifs? If you get DejaVu Mono, I guess the answer is >> > "the latter"? >> >> You do I ask for the family? > > The family "Mono Serif" is an Emacs invention, AFAIK. Font utilities > are under no obligation to support it. Sorry; I mistyped. I meant to say 'How do I ask for the family?' -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Nov 2020 16:03:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Nov 02 11:03:39 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42298 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kZcJ0-0008A3-Sq for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:03:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35928) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZcIz-00089p-AK for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:03:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49017) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZcIu-0005Ei-1t; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:03:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2838 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZcIp-0001dU-Cq; Mon, 02 Nov 2020 11:03:29 -0500 Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 18:03:17 +0200 Message-Id: <831rhbeofu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mtzz7q3g.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:09:23 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <CADwFkmnHS8HG=GOZrLzkMSU3yd3a=OCXOLPXVKrDXiA1N7DxMw@HIDDEN> <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmkRxsZFPjJ1ngnMg+pgwRY8b2LZrPjM+r9oL9hqHLvEw@HIDDEN> <877dr7hlkf.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1pehj7l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blghdzb9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1pdf67c.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzz7q3g.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: stefankangas@HIDDEN, 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 02 Nov 2020 16:09:23 +0100 > > >> It looks like DejaVu Mono only has one variation, and it's... with > >> serifs? > > > > No, it's without serifs, AFAICS. > > I'm not sure. The "i" here has serifs, surely? But the "T" isn't, surely? > > But that's not what I was asking: the "Mono Serif" family could > > include more than just DejaVu Mono. I'm asking whether asking for > > that family always brings fonts with serifs, or sometimes you get > > fonts without serifs? If you get DejaVu Mono, I guess the answer is > > "the latter"? > > You do I ask for the family? The family "Mono Serif" is an Emacs invention, AFAIK. Font utilities are under no obligation to support it.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> It looks like DejaVu Mono only has one variation, and it's... with >> serifs? > > No, it's without serifs, AFAICS. I'm not sure. The "i" here has serifs, surely? 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I'm not sure. 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I'm asking whether asking for > that family always brings fonts with serifs, or sometimes you get > fonts without serifs? If you get DejaVu Mono, I guess the answer is > "the latter"? You do I ask for the family? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no --=-=-=--
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Full text available.Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Nov 2020 15:27:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Nov 01 10:27:39 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38235 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kZFGd-00065G-HD for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:27:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58342) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZFGb-000652-UW for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:27:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56105) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZFGW-0007Tf-Jm; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:27:32 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3118 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kZFGU-0005Yz-Tv; Sun, 01 Nov 2020 10:27:32 -0500 Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 17:27:19 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1pdf67c.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87blghdzb9.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:41:30 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <CADwFkmnHS8HG=GOZrLzkMSU3yd3a=OCXOLPXVKrDXiA1N7DxMw@HIDDEN> <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmkRxsZFPjJ1ngnMg+pgwRY8b2LZrPjM+r9oL9hqHLvEw@HIDDEN> <877dr7hlkf.fsf@HIDDEN> <83r1pehj7l.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blghdzb9.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: stefankangas@HIDDEN, 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Sun, 01 Nov 2020 13:41:30 +0100 > > > The other part of the problem, which could be Windows-specific, is > > that the MS-Windows font back-ends don't know about "Mono Serif" > > family. Do you always get a font with serifs when the family is "Mono > > Serif"? If so, we could perhaps teach MS-Windows do the same. But > > the result might be that both faces get the same font -- are we okay > > with that? One place where that could matter is in Info. > > It looks like DejaVu Mono only has one variation, and it's... with > serifs? No, it's without serifs, AFAICS. But that's not what I was asking: the "Mono Serif" family could include more than just DejaVu Mono. I'm asking whether asking for that family always brings fonts with serifs, or sometimes you get fonts without serifs? If you get DejaVu Mono, I guess the answer is "the latter"?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > The other part of the problem, which could be Windows-specific, is > that the MS-Windows font back-ends don't know about "Mono Serif" > family. 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Do you always get a font with serifs when the family is "Mono > Serif"? If so, we could perhaps teach MS-Windows do the same. But > the result might be that both faces get the same font -- are we okay > with that? One place where that could matter is in Info. 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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#44316; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2020 08:53:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 31 04:53:03 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60523 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYmdC-0004OP-Pc for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:53:03 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmdB-0004Nq-Go for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:53:01 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35652) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmd5-0005r5-SZ; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:52:55 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3533 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmd5-0000QZ-CZ; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:52:55 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:52:40 +0200 Message-Id: <83pn4yhj53.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <22103d25-410c-46a7-8161-75f2845d400c@default> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:27:29 -0700 (PDT)) Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <22103d25-410c-46a7-8161-75f2845d400c@default> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > Date: Thu, 29 Oct 2020 14:27:29 -0700 (PDT) > From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> > > Since `fixed-pitch' has looked more or less the same > from the beginning, and in particular it has had > serifs, maybe instead of, or in addition to, having > face `fixed-pitch-serif' we should have a face > `fixed-pitch-sans-serif'? We could do that, indeed. > Or maybe we should go ahead and change the appearance > of `fixed-pitch', so it does not have serifs? As I explained in my other message, this is impossible, at least not without backward-incompatible changes. So I don't think we should do this part.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#44316; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 31 Oct 2020 08:51:34 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Oct 31 04:51:34 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60519 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYmbm-0004Lm-EU for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:51:34 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:38346) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmbk-0004LV-Um for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:51:33 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:35643) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmbf-0005Se-IP; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:51:27 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3437 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYmbe-0000KR-UY; Sat, 31 Oct 2020 04:51:27 -0400 Date: Sat, 31 Oct 2020 10:51:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1pehj7l.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <877dr7hlkf.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:48:00 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <CADwFkmnHS8HG=GOZrLzkMSU3yd3a=OCXOLPXVKrDXiA1N7DxMw@HIDDEN> <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmmkRxsZFPjJ1ngnMg+pgwRY8b2LZrPjM+r9oL9hqHLvEw@HIDDEN> <877dr7hlkf.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 14:48:00 +0100 > Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > > > I'm also on Debian bullseye. I wonder what causes the different things > > we are seeing. Sounds likely that we have different font related > > packages installed, right? > > Yup. This is with "emacs -Q", by the way, which I failed to mention > the last time, but it seems like I'm getting the same in my normal Emacs. I think one part of the problem here is that "Mono" family (which is what fixed-pitch uses) doesn't say whether the result will be with or without serifs. So you can get a font either with or without the serifs, depending on what fonts are installed and perhaps also on some local configuration. The other part of the problem, which could be Windows-specific, is that the MS-Windows font back-ends don't know about "Mono Serif" family. Do you always get a font with serifs when the family is "Mono Serif"? If so, we could perhaps teach MS-Windows do the same. But the result might be that both faces get the same font -- are we okay with that? One place where that could matter is in Info.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > I'm also on Debian bullseye. I wonder what causes the different things > we are seeing. Sounds likely that we have different font related > packages installed, right? 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I wonder what causes the different things > we are seeing. Sounds likely that we have different font related > packages installed, right? Yup. This is with "emacs -Q", by the way, which I failed to mention the last time, but it seems like I'm getting the same in my normal Emacs. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 44316) by debbugs.gnu.org; 30 Oct 2020 13:27:09 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Oct 30 09:27:09 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56647 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kYUQv-0007mP-3I for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:27:09 -0400 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:35472) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYUQt-0007lz-Cl for 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:27:07 -0400 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44101) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYUQk-0006by-UR; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:26:59 -0400 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1803 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kYUQg-0001Wh-Tf; Fri, 30 Oct 2020 09:26:55 -0400 Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 15:26:38 +0200 Message-Id: <83tuubalpt.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:55:57 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#44316: 26.3; Faces `fixed-pitch' and `fixed-pitch-serif' are opposite what they should be References: <56375b2e-74c4-4218-a344-500d31dd3c75@default> <CADwFkmnHS8HG=GOZrLzkMSU3yd3a=OCXOLPXVKrDXiA1N7DxMw@HIDDEN> <87d00zj2jm.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44316 Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefankangas@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 30 Oct 2020 13:55:57 +0100 > Cc: 44316 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > > > That's not what I see here, FWIW. > > > > - fixed-pitch uses "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono" > > - fixed-pitch-serif uses "Courier 10 Pitch" > > I'm getting Dejavu Sans Mono for both (Debian bullseye). So we have a similar (though somewhat different) problem on GNU/Linux.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#44316; Package emacs.
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I was looking for something like what you wrote: "fixed-pitch uses...". In my case (emacs -Q), the fonts are these: gdi:-raster-Courier-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859-1 (#x73= ) face fixed-pitch uniscribe:-outline-Consolas-normal-normal-normal-mono-16-*-*-*-c-*-iso8859= -1 (#x83) face fixed-pitch-serif
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> That's not what I see here, FWIW.
>=20
> - fixed-pitch uses "Bitstream Vera Sans Mono"
> - fixed-pitch-serif uses "Courier 10 Pitch"
>=20
> Could this be Windows specific?
Dunno. Where do you see which font it uses, like that?
M-x customize-face, for me, has all attributes unchecked
except for Font Family, and that's `Monospace' and
`Monospace Serif'. And `describe-face' likewise.
And the definitions in faces.el have only :family, with
the same "Monospace" and "Monospace Serif" values.
In faces.el, searching for "Monospace", I see that
option `face-font-family-alternatives' maps `purecopy'
over some lists of strings ("Monospace" "courier" "fixed")
("Monospace Serif" "Courier 10 Pitch" ...)...
;; In the absence of Fontconfig support, Monospace and Sans Serif are
;; unavailable, and we fall back on the courier and helv families,
;; which are generally available.
;; Monospace Serif is an Emacs invention, intended to work around
;; portability problems when using Courier. It should work well
;; when combined with Monospaced and with other standard fonts.
;; One of its uses is for 'tex-verbatim' and 'Info-quoted' faces,
;; so the result must be different from the default face's font,
;; and must be monospaced. For 'tex-verbatim', it is desirable
;; that the font really is a Serif font, so as to look like
;; TeX's 'verbatim'.
Not that I understand any of this. But clearly the one
with the serifs is `fixed-pitch' (on MS Windows 10, here).
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charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9789 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 malwarescore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=1 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290146 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9789 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 impostorscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=1 clxscore=1015 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 priorityscore=1501 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2010290146 Received-SPF: pass client-ip=156.151.31.85; envelope-from=drew.adams@HIDDEN; helo=userp2120.oracle.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/10/29 15:35:00 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 3.1-3.10 [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -43 X-Spam_score: -4.4 X-Spam_bar: ---- X-Spam_report: (-4.4 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIMWL_WL_HIGH=-0.001, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_MED=-2.3, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H2=-0.001, SPF_HELO_PASS=-0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) emacs -Q M-x customize-face fixed-pitch M-x customize-face fixed-pitch-serif Face `fixed-pitch' has serifs. Face `fixed-pitch-serif' has NO serifs. Something is wrong, here. Dunno how you might want to fix it, but the names definitely don't fit the actual default fonts used. They use font families Monospace and Monospace serif, respectively. Presumably the problem is at that level? This bug has been present ever since `fixed-pitch-serif' was first provided= , in Emacs 25. In GNU Emacs 26.3 (build 1, x86_64-w64-mingw32) of 2019-08-29 Repository revision: 96dd0196c28bc36779584e47fffcca433c9309cd Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 10.0.18362 Configured using: `configure --without-dbus --host=3Dx86_64-w64-mingw32 --without-compress-install 'CFLAGS=3D-O2 -static -g3''
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