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Subject: bug#44509: 28.0.50; Error querying with new gnus-search and notmuch
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Hi,

I've been trying the recently added gnus-search with an nnimap local
server (dovecot) that i index with notmuch.  More concretely:

   - dovecot is saving my incoming email in maildirs located at
     ~/var/mail.
   - notmuch is indexing ~/var/mail.  that's working well: i can use
     notmuch without problems.
   - gnus has a secondary method for accessing dovecot using nnimap, but
     i would like searches on its groups to be performed using notmuch,
     not the built-in imap search.  so i add a secondary method that
     looks like this:

       (nnimap ""
              (nnimap-address "localhost")
              (nnimap-expunge immediately)
              (gnus-search-engine gnus-search-notmuch
                 (remove-prefix "/home/jao/var/mail/")))

   - if i now query any of my nnimap groups with a query that gives me
     back one or more results, i get an error with a backtrace that
     looks like this one ("nnimap:feeds.emacs" is the group name in this
     concrete case):

  --8<---------------cut here---------------start------------->8---
  gnus-compress-sequence((nil))
  nnselect-compress-artlist([["nnimap:feeds.emacs" nil 100]])
  nnselect-request-group("nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" "nnselect-ephemeral" t (=
"nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" 3 nil nil (nnselect "nnselect-ephemeral"=
 (nnselect-address "nnselect")) ((quit-config #<buffer *Group*> . group) (n=
nselect-specs (nnselect-function . gnus-search-run-query) (nnselect-args (s=
earch-query-spec (query . "Maxim") (raw)) (search-group-spec ("nnimap:" "nn=
imap:feeds/emacs")))) (nnselect-artlist))))
  gnus-request-group("nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" t nil ("nnselect:nn=
select-87lffe8d08.fsf" 3 nil nil (nnselect "nnselect-ephemeral" (nnselect-a=
ddress "nnselect")) ((quit-config #<buffer *Group*> . group) (nnselect-spec=
s (nnselect-function . gnus-search-run-query) (nnselect-args (search-query-=
spec (query . "Maxim") (raw)) (search-group-spec ("nnimap:" "nnimap:feeds/e=
macs")))) (nnselect-artlist))))
  gnus-select-newsgroup("nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" t nil)
  gnus-summary-read-group-1("nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" t t nil nil =
nil)
  gnus-summary-read-group("nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" t t nil nil ni=
l nil)
  gnus-group-read-group(t t "nnselect:nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" nil)
  gnus-group-read-ephemeral-group("nnselect-87lffe8d08.fsf" (nnselect "nnse=
lect") nil (#<buffer *Group*> . group) nil nil ((nnselect-specs (nnselect-f=
unction . gnus-search-run-query) (nnselect-args (search-query-spec (query .=
 "Maxim") (raw)) (search-group-spec ("nnimap:" "nnimap:feeds/emacs")))) (nn=
select-artlist)))
  gnus-group-read-ephemeral-search-group(nil)
  funcall-interactively(gnus-group-read-ephemeral-search-group nil)
  call-interactively(gnus-group-read-ephemeral-search-group nil nil)
  command-execute(gnus-group-read-ephemeral-search-group)
  --8<---------------cut here---------------end--------------->8---

Maybe this trick of using notmuch on imap groups is not really supposed
to work? If i used the default gnus-search-imap engine, queries work
fine, but notmuch is so much faster that it'd be nice to use its engine
instead.


Thanks!



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"Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <mail@HIDDEN> writes:

> Hi,
>
> I've been trying the recently added gnus-search with an nnimap local
> server (dovecot) that i index with notmuch.  More concretely:

I'm curious if this used to work before gnus-search? My understanding is
that it never should have worked: notmuch returns search results as
filenames on your local system, while dovecot wants search results
returned as its own internal message UIDs. 

If this worked before gnus-search, I would very much like to know that,
and to know *how* it worked, given that it's two systems that aren't
meant to talk to one another.

Thanks,
Eric

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On Sat, Nov 07 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <mail@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I've been trying the recently added gnus-search with an nnimap local
>> server (dovecot) that i index with notmuch.  More concretely:
>
> I'm curious if this used to work before gnus-search? My understanding is
> that it never should have worked: notmuch returns search results as
> filenames on your local system, while dovecot wants search results
> returned as its own internal message UIDs.
>
> If this worked before gnus-search, I would very much like to know that,
> and to know *how* it worked, given that it's two systems that aren't
> meant to talk to one another.

I would have sworn it worked, but now you make me doubt it.  I think the
gist might be that I am telling dovecot to store its mails in maildirs,
and there the filenames are essentially the maildir followed by the
message id.

But if that doesn't make sense, i might be misremembering.  I'll have to
go back to a previous commit, recompile and check again.

Cheers,
jao
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On 11/08/20 02:49 AM, Jose A. Ortega Ruiz wrote:
> On Sat, Nov 07 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:
>
>> "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <mail@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I've been trying the recently added gnus-search with an nnimap local
>>> server (dovecot) that i index with notmuch.  More concretely:
>>
>> I'm curious if this used to work before gnus-search? My understanding is
>> that it never should have worked: notmuch returns search results as
>> filenames on your local system, while dovecot wants search results
>> returned as its own internal message UIDs.
>>
>> If this worked before gnus-search, I would very much like to know that,
>> and to know *how* it worked, given that it's two systems that aren't
>> meant to talk to one another.
>
> I would have sworn it worked, but now you make me doubt it.  I think the
> gist might be that I am telling dovecot to store its mails in maildirs,
> and there the filenames are essentially the maildir followed by the
> message id.
>
> But if that doesn't make sense, i might be misremembering.  I'll have to
> go back to a previous commit, recompile and check again.

It's something that's come up on gnus.general several times over the
years, but I think no one's ever sat down and tried to figure out
exactly how/if it's supposed to work. Thinking about it logically, I
just don't see how it could. On my filesystem (in the maildir maintained
by Dovecot), your message has the filename:

1604808232.M340024P65055.slip,S=3293,W=3369:2,a

And that's how notmuch will return it. If I search for the same message
via Dovecot's internal search, the UUID is 1116. Is there anything to go
from one to the other?

In a few days I can try to set this up and see if there's a way to make
it work.

(BTW have you turned on full text search in your local Dovecot? That
makes imap searches "fast enough" for me, though I doubt they're as fast
as notmuch.)

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On Sat, Nov 07 2020, Eric Abrahamsen wrote:

> It's something that's come up on gnus.general several times over the
> years, but I think no one's ever sat down and tried to figure out
> exactly how/if it's supposed to work. Thinking about it logically, I
> just don't see how it could. On my filesystem (in the maildir maintained
> by Dovecot), your message has the filename:
>
> 1604808232.M340024P65055.slip,S=3D3293,W=3D3369:2,a
>
> And that's how notmuch will return it. If I search for the same message
> via Dovecot's internal search, the UUID is 1116. Is there anything to go
> from one to the other?

Not to my knowledge.  What you say makes sense and i must be
misremembering... i have a helper function that knows how to find in
gnus a message shown by notmuch, and i use that sometimes to search
using notmuch (counsel-notmuch, actually) while keeping gnus as my main
interface.

> In a few days I can try to set this up and see if there's a way to make
> it work.

That'd be really great.  I'm unfortunately not familiar with
nnir/search, or i'd would have dived a bit into it by now, but i'd be
happy to try and test whatever you come up with.

That said, it's possible to tell notmuch to return message ids instead
of filenames.  For instance, one of the results of the query

     notmuch search --format=3Dsexp messages from:Eric to:jao

looks like:

      ((:thread "000000000002e056" :timestamp 1604811194 :date_relative
      "Today 04:53" :matched 2 :total 5 :authors "Eric Abrahamsen| Jose
      A. Ortega Ruiz, help-debbugs@HIDDEN" :subject "bug#44509:
      28.0.50; Error querying with new gnus-search and notmuch" :query
      ("id:87361kd1sg.fsf@HIDDEN
      id:874km0bgat.fsf@HIDDEN"
      "id:87imag7kkh.fsf@HIDDEN
      id:handler.44509.B.160479992727359.ack <at> debbugs.gnu.org
      id:87v9eg7ec3.fsf@HIDDEN") :tags ("inbox" "replied"
      "unread"))

and those values for :query seem to be the ids of this thread.
notmuch-search.el has actually a function notmuch-query-get-message-ids
that directly returns them, and also this one:

  (defun notmuch-query-get-threads (search-terms)
    "Return a list of threads of messages matching SEARCH-TERMS.

where possibly that list contains info from both the path and message
id.

> (BTW have you turned on full text search in your local Dovecot? That
> makes imap searches "fast enough" for me, though I doubt they're as
> fast as notmuch.)

No... i once read that the fastest way was via xapian (if i'm recalling
correctly), but then i saw it's a java thing and lost steam :)

Another reason is that notmuch knows how to index usenet messages just
fine, and i use leafnode to fetch my news to a local server, so i can
play the trick of for instance symlinking leafnode's gwene/gmane message
folders in my ~/var/mail and have a single index for all my mail and
news.  The same function that brings me from notmuch message buffers to
gnus nnimap groups nows how to bring me to nntp groups to.

Cheers,
jao
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