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To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000004305b805b401406e" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000004305b805b401406e Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 17:22 Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> wrote: > > I wonder whether comment blocks would be even more useful > > (if we have to prioritise): > > > > #| this is > > a comment |# > > > > The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid things > > in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do. #; also looks like > > slightly hard to read if you do stuff like > > > > (foo #;(foobar > > ... > > 1) > > zot) > > +1 for Common-Lisp block comments. > +1. Let's not stray away from existing solutions. (And for reader macros, FWIW...) > +2 Yep, just make a programmable reader. Even without such a thing, reader conditionals are just what's requested here. Jo=C3=A3o > --0000000000004305b805b401406e Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D= "gmail_attr">On Tue, Nov 10, 2020, 17:22 Drew Adams <<a href=3D"mailto:d= rew.adams@HIDDEN" rel=3D"noreferrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">drew.= adams@HIDDEN</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" = style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">>= ; I wonder whether comment blocks would be even more useful<br> > (if we have to prioritise):<br> > <br> > #| this is<br> > a comment |#<br> > <br> > The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid t= hings<br> > in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do.=C2=A0 #; also looks = like<br> > slightly hard to read if you do stuff like<br> > <br> > (foo #;(foobar<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0...<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A01)<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 zot)<br> <br> +1 for Common-Lisp block comments.<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"= auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">+1. Let's not stray away from existin= g solutions.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto"><div class= =3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8= ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> (And for reader macros, FWIW...)<br></blockquote></div></div><div dir=3D"au= to"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">+2 Yep, just make a programmable reader.=C2= =A0</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Even without such a = thing, reader conditionals are just what's requested here.</div><div di= r=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Jo=C3=A3o</div><div dir=3D"auto"><di= v class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0= 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"> </blockquote></div></div></div> --0000000000004305b805b401406e--
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 13 Nov 2020 14:07:53 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Nov 13 09:07:53 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:47314 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kdZk0-0001pU-So for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:07:53 -0500 Received: from mx.sdf.org ([205.166.94.24]:63570) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <akrl@HIDDEN>) id 1kdZjx-0001pF-Oq for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 09:07:51 -0500 Received: from mab (ma.sdf.org [205.166.94.33]) by mx.sdf.org (8.15.2/8.14.5) with ESMTP id 0ADE7k34001048; Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:07:47 GMT From: Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. References: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> <CC0FE078-E3FB-4F6F-AFB1-E719DF280F95@HIDDEN> <87pn4iagd6.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnC8AbfEHqbOKKEG5fjZ7JUTNUrEMjQQuStgpfczZu0Fw@HIDDEN> <xjf361de6fc.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnq2MkYqzX-97ur7tp08+EorYDsWgJoidRXgcURb7u4AA@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 13 Nov 2020 14:07:46 +0000 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnq2MkYqzX-97ur7tp08+EorYDsWgJoidRXgcURb7u4AA@HIDDEN> (Stefan Kangas's message of "Fri, 13 Nov 2020 05:47:08 -0800") Message-ID: <xjfy2j5cpu5.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes: > Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes: > >> That said I believe `comment-dwim' solves already this problem to a good >> degree for me. >> >> given: >> >> (foo (bar)) >> >> having as a region '(bar)' M-; produces >> >> (foo ;; (bar) >> ) > > Indeed. > > What's less fun is when you have to back the change out, or when you > want to incrementally comment out a nested sexp. It works well, but > it's a wee bit fiddly. > > For example, given: > > (foo (bar ... > (baz ...))) > > With `comment-dwim', I might get something like: > > (foo ;; (bar ... > ;; ;; (baz ...) > ;; ) > ) > > This would be more convenient: > > (foo #;(bar ... > #;(baz ...))) Agree, that's one of the reasons why I agree would be nice to have ;) As typically we do not commit commented code is no big deal as we probably (at least I) revert the unnecessary diff hunks, but yeah would be an improvement. Also uncommenting would put the code in the initial state instead of leaving unnecessary newlines. Andrea
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Andrea Corallo <akrl@HIDDEN> writes:
> That said I believe `comment-dwim' solves already this problem to a good
> degree for me.
>
> given:
>
> (foo (bar))
>
> having as a region '(bar)' M-; produces
>
> (foo ;; (bar)
> )
Indeed.
What's less fun is when you have to back the change out, or when you
want to incrementally comment out a nested sexp. It works well, but
it's a wee bit fiddly.
For example, given:
(foo (bar ...
(baz ...)))
With `comment-dwim', I might get something like:
(foo ;; (bar ...
;; ;; (baz ...)
;; )
)
This would be more convenient:
(foo #;(bar ...
#;(baz ...)))
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Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@HIDDEN> writes:
> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
>
>> The question is whether this feature is useful enough to warrant the
>> pain inflicted, and... I guess there isn't all that much enthusiasm for
>> it? To me it sounds more like "that'd be neat" instead of "yeah, I can
>> see myself using it all the time".
>
> FWIW, I for one would appreciate SRFI-62 style comments. I often find
> myself commenting out otherwise valid sexps, and the added convenience
> would be nice. Just today I had a debugging session where they would
> have definitely made things a bit more comfortable, especially given
> that they nest easily.
>
> That said, I won't exactly bring out the torches and pitchforks if the
> proposal gets rejected.
>
> (I don't have enough experience with Common Lisp to say much about the
> #||#-comments.)
My 2 cents,
I like the idea of a dedicated syntax to comment out sexps.
That said I believe `comment-dwim' solves already this problem to a good
degree for me.
given:
(foo (bar))
having as a region '(bar)' M-; produces
(foo ;; (bar)
)
I indeed use it quite frequently.
Andrea
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I use this a lot in my elip files, but with a space between the
initial apostrophe and the open perenthesis, like this:
;; A test:
' (let ((ee-youtubedl-dirs '("DIR1" "DIR2")))
(find-youtubedl-links))
Without the space after the apostrophe a C-x C-e after the sexp would
just return the (let ...) instead of executing it. I like this trick
because it works anywhere and beginners understand it in seconds.
Cheers,
Eduardo Ochs
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On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 10:59, Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> wrote:
>
> * Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> [2020-11-11 11:19]:
> > Just to clarify,
> >
> > I am not asking that exactly the syntax of srfi-62 as it is be added.
> > (Although Emacs Lisp already uses #'symbol as a reader-syntax switch,
> > so I suspect that it is possible)
> > I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever
> > fits Emacs Lisp most.
>
> Would this work?
>
> '(
>
> )
>
> Or there could be some macro to comment out anything:
>
> (do-not-process
>
> Put anything you wish here.
>
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References: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> <CC0FE078-E3FB-4F6F-AFB1-E719DF280F95@HIDDEN> <87pn4iagd6.fsf@HIDDEN> <b0d26ad1-08fc-4261-a463-4cb2212b035b@default> <87zh3m72tx.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87zh3m72tx.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9803 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 adultscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 bulkscore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011120121 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9803 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 mlxscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 lowpriorityscore=0 spamscore=0 malwarescore=0 adultscore=0 clxscore=1015 bulkscore=0 impostorscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011120121 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: =?iso-8859-1?B?TWF0dGlhcyBFbmdkZWflcmQ=?= <mattiase@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > If we had reader macros, and more generally a > > user-configurable reader, like Common Lisp, then > > maybe (?) users could adapt (e.g. disable or > > whatever) such new constructs programmatically, > > with Lisp. >=20 > I don't know if there is such a feature as transcompiling in Common > Lisp > https://urldefense.com/v3/__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-to- > source_compiler__;!!GqivPVa7Brio!LRZ90JJlz_AJMQw1M9NIPUgK3V76G9TDlhLoGz > KzsknMnjUYOaJNZ1i8rwnHKDDn$ > but it should be possible to create a transpiler package that could > help to load Emacs Lisp files with newer syntax in older Emacs versions. Interesting; thanks.
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Nov 2020 20:24:49 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Nov 12 15:24:49 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:45727 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kdJ99-0004rg-CL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:24:49 -0500 Received: from relay1-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.193]:44541) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1kdJ96-0004rQ-Ad for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 15:24:42 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.97.46 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-97-46.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.97.46]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay1-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 4084C240002; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 20:24:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> <CC0FE078-E3FB-4F6F-AFB1-E719DF280F95@HIDDEN> <87pn4iagd6.fsf@HIDDEN> <b0d26ad1-08fc-4261-a463-4cb2212b035b@default> Date: Thu, 12 Nov 2020 22:11:22 +0200 In-Reply-To: <b0d26ad1-08fc-4261-a463-4cb2212b035b@default> (Drew Adams's message of "Thu, 12 Nov 2020 10:16:42 -0800 (PST)") Message-ID: <87zh3m72tx.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Mattias =?iso-8859-1?Q?Engdeg=E5r?= =?iso-8859-1?Q?d?= <mattiase@HIDDEN>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) >> > No, not without modification. For example, #; would be treated as # >> > and a comment removing the rest of the line by most existing lexers. >> > And it's not just my code. >> >> Sure, it would be a new feature, and older lexers wouldn't understand >> the new grammar, but that's true of (almost) any new language feature. > > If we had reader macros, and more generally a > user-configurable reader, like Common Lisp, then > maybe (?) users could adapt (e.g. disable or > whatever) such new constructs programmatically, > with Lisp. I don't know if there is such a feature as transcompiling in Common Lisp https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Source-to-source_compiler but it should be possible to create a transpiler package that could help to load Emacs Lisp files with newer syntax in older Emacs versions.
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References: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> <CC0FE078-E3FB-4F6F-AFB1-E719DF280F95@HIDDEN> <87pn4iagd6.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87pn4iagd6.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9803 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 bulkscore=0 mlxscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 suspectscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 malwarescore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011120107 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9803 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 lowpriorityscore=0 priorityscore=1501 clxscore=1015 malwarescore=0 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 suspectscore=0 mlxlogscore=999 impostorscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 bulkscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011120107 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > > No, not without modification. 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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
> No, not without modification. For example, #; would be treated as #
> and a comment removing the rest of the line by most existing lexers.
>
> And it's not just my code.
Sure, it would be a new feature, and older lexers wouldn't understand
the new grammar, but that's true of (almost) any new language feature.
The question is whether this feature is useful enough to warrant the
pain inflicted, and... I guess there isn't all that much enthusiasm for
it? To me it sounds more like "that'd be neat" instead of "yeah, I can
see myself using it all the time".
--=20
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 23:08:17 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 18:08:17 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:43148 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kczDs-0006Tm-QO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:08:17 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:37048) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kczDr-0006Td-4q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:08:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:33698) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kczDq-0007Yz-K5 for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:08:15 -0500 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:51232 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kczDo-0007rD-9t for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 18:08:14 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kczDk-0007UW-6s for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Thu, 12 Nov 2020 00:08:08 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 22:50:22 +0000 Message-ID: <87pn4j4ifl.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> <E1kcisH-00075V-VI@HIDDEN> <X6t7OEoPtvYFh6P5@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZZFgYYSFwqWaXpT-otn3b+ooEwk4NQpKLLso81JNfptew@HIDDEN> <877dqsl2je.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:BkiqxvOLSSGlUdh/MdGaTMjTnuQ= X-Attribution: jao X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-URL: <http://jao.io/> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/11 16:37:44 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -16 X-Spam_score: -1.7 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.7 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.249, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) On Wed, Nov 11 2020, Andreas Schwab wrote: > On Nov 11 2020, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote: > >> I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever >> fits Emacs Lisp most. > > The easiest way is to quote it. (+ 3 '2 1) -> 6 (+ 3 #;2 1) -> 4 (+ 3 '(+ 1 2)) -> error (+ 3 #;(+ 1 2)) -> 3
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 16:25:51 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 11:25:51 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42680 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcswR-0002VJ-68 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:25:51 -0500 Received: from mail1445c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.14.45]:43562 helo=mail265c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mattiase@HIDDEN>) id 1kcswL-0002Uz-EV for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:25:49 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@HIDDEN DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1605111938; bh=liFYOQRI+C11LSmiyByVnV13G0Y8XuKIBZKOoi3vzFQ=; h=Subject:From:In-Reply-To:Date:Cc:References:To:From; b=cUYihnFHlGM+E2HYMLVvUsqyt92oMKlwYgF7S+brzpEudlDBpU8mdJlL3FYEREGyZ r0wDqeBgNvB/YspHxxN9gKVPFHYyMb0Fk2HNQ7hQ6LC2nMcIUd1A6Jtk+Kw1fb/wKu uAmJDzQ+Z/AlwLi0JmYQlgCnZGb6CRsXnK98m4Ms= Feedback-ID: mattiase@HIDDEN Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail265c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 0ABGPYjS027928; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:25:37 +0000 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:25:33 +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Message-Id: <CC0FE078-E3FB-4F6F-AFB1-E719DF280F95@HIDDEN> References: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZYWqv+EC4HAtpwkw2t9RY81erzyAWM4RkhMZta3y00TxA@HIDDEN> To: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F1B.5FAC1082.0062, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=VaOJw2h9 c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=pGLkceISAAAA:8 a=JUOnSx6IQnmj5cingrwA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) 11 nov. 2020 kl. 17.14 skrev Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>: > Well, if your parsers and fontifiers recognize #'symbol constructions, = wouldn't they recognise #; in almost the same way? No, not without modification. For example, #; would be treated as # and = a comment removing the rest of the line by most existing lexers. And it's not just my code.
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To: =?UTF-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000001c4fe805b3d716e4" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --0000000000001c4fe805b3d716e4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, if your parsers and fontifiers recognize #'symbol constructions, wouldn't they recognise #; in almost the same way? -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (Sent with Google mail mobile.) Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> =E4=BA=8E 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C= =8812=E6=97=A5=E5=91=A8=E5=9B=9B 00:11=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > mark-sexp (C-M-SPC) followed by comment-region already works, doesn't it? > Not obvious that SRFI-62 comments would be substantially better. > > I would very much like not having to update code that parses, lexes, > searches, matches, pretty-prints, fontifies, navigates in, browses, index= es > or otherwise recognises elisp surface syntax, that I have written over th= e > years in various places -- at least not without a really good reason. > Likely I'm not alone. > > Sorry about the downbeat tone! I really don't mind syntax improvements, > but here it seems unclear that the benefits would outweigh the costs. > > --0000000000001c4fe805b3d716e4 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">Well, if your parsers and fontifiers recognize #'symb= ol constructions, wouldn't they recognise #; in almost the same way?<br= ><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature">--<br>Yours sincerely, Vladimi= r Nikishkin<br>(Sent with Google mail mobile.)</div></div><br><div class=3D= "gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd = <<a href=3D"mailto:mattiase@HIDDEN">mattiase@HIDDEN</a>> =E4=BA=8E = 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8812=E6=97=A5=E5=91=A8=E5=9B=9B 00:11=E5=86=99=E9=81= =93=EF=BC=9A<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0= 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">mark-sexp (C-M-SPC) fo= llowed by comment-region already works, doesn't it? Not obvious that SR= FI-62 comments would be substantially better.<br> <br> I would very much like not having to update code that parses, lexes, search= es, matches, pretty-prints, fontifies, navigates in, browses, indexes or ot= herwise recognises elisp surface syntax, that I have written over the years= in various places -- at least not without a really good reason. Likely I&#= 39;m not alone.<br> <br> Sorry about the downbeat tone! I really don't mind syntax improvements,= but here it seems unclear that the benefits would outweigh the costs.<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --0000000000001c4fe805b3d716e4--
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 16:11:11 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 11:11:11 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:42658 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcsiB-00027q-HP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:11:11 -0500 Received: from mail210c50.megamailservers.eu ([91.136.10.220]:59292 helo=mail194c50.megamailservers.eu) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <mattiase@HIDDEN>) id 1kcsi5-00026v-PS for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 11:11:06 -0500 X-Authenticated-User: mattiase@HIDDEN DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/simple; d=megamailservers.eu; s=maildub; t=1605111057; bh=wmNXPmhf/bpVnWmIICMtu1lB/8LMPa6gY/jX3UUG194=; h=From:Subject:Date:Cc:To:From; b=lOkIR8pL+MUTVNTF6c74yeSp71mD3om22ftjKKFe2VGgapsupbOTXiYJ1iMM7Q1A5 bwsx6dse6X0UHCrZy5PXe7z0+pC1tx8AoFrlb0blGaFU9x4iAFKXObwodILVXPsRPI XMvDG62jEH3l4o7PawPppjO7dyMVXRjJi5hFrXRY= Feedback-ID: mattiase@HIDDEN Received: from [192.168.0.4] (c188-150-171-71.bredband.comhem.se [188.150.171.71]) (authenticated bits=0) by mail194c50.megamailservers.eu (8.14.9/8.13.1) with ESMTP id 0ABGAsSS008832; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:10:56 +0000 From: =?utf-8?Q?Mattias_Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Mime-Version: 1.0 (Mac OS X Mail 12.4 \(3445.104.17\)) Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Message-Id: <4282B0B6-7580-4066-9BAD-369EAD238E2C@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 17:10:54 +0100 To: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.3445.104.17) X-CTCH-RefID: str=0001.0A782F20.5FAC0D11.0040, ss=1, re=0.000, recu=0.000, reip=0.000, cl=1, cld=1, fgs=0 X-CTCH-VOD: Unknown X-CTCH-Spam: Unknown X-CTCH-Score: 0.000 X-CTCH-Rules: X-CTCH-Flags: 0 X-CTCH-ScoreCust: 0.000 X-CSC: 0 X-CHA: v=2.3 cv=CeB2G4jl c=1 sm=1 tr=0 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:117 a=SF+I6pRkHZhrawxbOkkvaA==:17 a=kj9zAlcOel0A:10 a=M51BFTxLslgA:10 a=iMdIGOarokvwxbd3omcA:9 a=CjuIK1q_8ugA:10 X-Origin-Country: SE X-Spam-Score: 2.0 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: mark-sexp (C-M-SPC) followed by comment-region already works, doesn't it? Not obvious that SRFI-62 comments would be substantially better. I would very much like not having to update code that parses, lexes, searches, matches, pretty-prints, fontifies, navigates in, browses, indexes or otherwise recognises elisp surface syntax, that I ha [...] Content analysis details: (2.0 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -0.0 RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE RBL: Sender listed at https://www.dnswl.org/, no trust [91.136.10.220 listed in list.dnswl.org] 0.0 SPF_HELO_NONE SPF: HELO does not publish an SPF Record 1.0 SPF_SOFTFAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (softfail) 1.0 FAKE_REPLY_B No description available. X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) mark-sexp (C-M-SPC) followed by comment-region already works, doesn't = it? Not obvious that SRFI-62 comments would be substantially better. I would very much like not having to update code that parses, lexes, = searches, matches, pretty-prints, fontifies, navigates in, browses, = indexes or otherwise recognises elisp surface syntax, that I have = written over the years in various places -- at least not without a = really good reason. Likely I'm not alone. Sorry about the downbeat tone! I really don't mind syntax improvements, = but here it seems unclear that the benefits would outweigh the costs.
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To: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000d0a5d105b3d5af02" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000d0a5d105b3d5af02 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, as a "poor man's substitute". A quoted expression is still an expression, and a macro can't expand to nothing, it will always expand to at least an empty list. I would still prefer a robust solution, even if it takes longer. -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (Sent with Google mail mobile.) Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> =E4=BA=8E 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5= =E5=91=A8=E4=B8=89 21:57=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > * Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> [2020-11-11 11:19]: > > Just to clarify, > > > > I am not asking that exactly the syntax of srfi-62 as it is be added. > > (Although Emacs Lisp already uses #'symbol as a reader-syntax switch, > > so I suspect that it is possible) > > I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever > > fits Emacs Lisp most. > > Would this work? > > '( > > ) > > Or there could be some macro to comment out anything: > > (do-not-process > > Put anything you wish here. > > ) > > --000000000000d0a5d105b3d5af02 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto">Well, as a "poor man's substitute". A quote= d expression is still an expression, and a macro can't expand to nothin= g, it will always expand to at least an empty list.=C2=A0<div dir=3D"auto">= <br></div><div dir=3D"auto">I would still prefer a robust solution, even if= it takes longer.=C2=A0<br><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gmail_signature" dir= =3D"auto">--<br>Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin<br>(Sent with Google ma= il mobile.)</div></div></div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div dir=3D"ltr= " class=3D"gmail_attr">Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> =E4=BA=8E 2020= =E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8811=E6=97=A5=E5=91=A8=E4=B8=89 21:57=E5=86=99=E9=81=93= =EF=BC=9A<br></div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 = .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">* Vladimir Nikishkin <= <a href=3D"mailto:lockywolf@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer"= >lockywolf@HIDDEN</a>> [2020-11-11 11:19]:<br> > Just to clarify,<br> > <br> > I am not asking that exactly the syntax of srfi-62 as it is be added.<= br> > (Although Emacs Lisp already uses #'symbol as a reader-syntax swit= ch,<br> > so I suspect that it is possible)<br> > I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever<br= > > fits Emacs Lisp most.<br> <br> Would this work?<br> <br> '(<br> <br> )<br> <br> Or there could be some macro to comment out anything:<br> <br> (do-not-process<br> <br> Put anything you wish here.<br> <br> )<br> <br> </blockquote></div> --000000000000d0a5d105b3d5af02--
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 08:29:30 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 03:29:30 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40171 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kclVS-0002CH-L9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 03:29:30 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:45331) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <whitebox@HIDDEN>) id 1kclVQ-0002C4-KR for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 03:29:29 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CWHvq2G7Mz1qsb0; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:27 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4CWHvq08zfz1qtYq; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:27 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id jK6-zA7RPHTu; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:26 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: ADpnZZ/XawEMWS0S8H7yFvWRtou7b5LtPPSsFzj1aX3Bx82kQkkx00U0tdOqDyua Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-161-149.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.161.149]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:26 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id 985982C35EE; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:25 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> To: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> <E1kcisH-00075V-VI@HIDDEN> <X6t7OEoPtvYFh6P5@HIDDEN> <CA+A2iZZFgYYSFwqWaXpT-otn3b+ooEwk4NQpKLLso81JNfptew@HIDDEN> X-Yow: Make me look like LINDA RONSTADT again!! Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 09:29:25 +0100 In-Reply-To: <CA+A2iZZFgYYSFwqWaXpT-otn3b+ooEwk4NQpKLLso81JNfptew@HIDDEN> (Vladimir Nikishkin's message of "Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:18:17 +0800") Message-ID: <877dqsl2je.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Nov 11 2020, Vladimir Nikishkin wrote: > I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever > fits Emacs Lisp most. The easiest way is to quote it. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different."
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 08:18:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 03:18:38 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40154 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kclKv-0001w5-TJ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 03:18:38 -0500 Received: from mail-lf1-f50.google.com ([209.85.167.50]:33610) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <lockywolf@HIDDEN>) id 1kclKt-0001vr-M3 for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 03:18:36 -0500 Received: by mail-lf1-f50.google.com with SMTP id l2so2044004lfk.0 for <44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:18:35 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=x7nhoBGSlWGRJgnku2Divj4AEFWdW/4m5HCXTXi3TfI=; b=vVWPTxhEgGrSK+qhoNxh4m0sqsGxYdN1fsyMPzOV3ckATgW55rJSeXgTW0GRVRoBvk AD+ieCyS81ok8DwZpPobnzIFlmFrdQs3Qz1DhO+t46mV8Uu2bblrNot2GZThVlgj8d6B t9sStsgKT7NfB896J16Dxv6D1OPhyKs4hiMSMx1QFch7yf2mLphOWGvTu0rFhFvjRAzw 8sqjWGlL02YTdykaAtMt3me8JR/7l5uKb+AbP/LmLybenu1fU/5GkIkC07Y7CjLcRIUH Nbxue7LS0c+NaivX1NYCGxyEr61zOgI9gCjpERUyXVaGEEglWlO8vkMDkpzcBD5kdJJl ZCWA== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=x7nhoBGSlWGRJgnku2Divj4AEFWdW/4m5HCXTXi3TfI=; b=BWEq4F3U1gynZdG2C29Hdf/RW8hYHaR0Q2EEZD5qwYakwYFLLXzTlBvoGTe4g7grPL TD6a+qjQjgYq1NdWCC0B2ygNTFvOoegncsAQhvuPEICtrkURnzN6wrsZZ0O5w/pksTsh Ipkfo8MjDB5EoxFUmHPv6Rrsrymxk9LTbTE1dSpnkdVL5hdtuspsHw7NqdnXUBDFoFpK wcX2AhhpuP5yF3C9CrL3UiwCAU2YcA4HI5h2pPIMy1I1DYACh8acF23hF0IIZeQZg2bg L894bJwvF1aaxKCU0KRfflne6qtMESiyQS4wHQ0HPgBCWyJ0Vuc4354qx+TKI/OluYG0 AIkg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM533IF1v0v6BFh6QVo6Xm1PSk4VnlSb3z6BgGZ4eLj8bN7FJxtDBI nTG4XW+y/bSg/w9qRVfmjTxGL3qE49+rz3YQtJc= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJwV+tSMV3+A21uESQ4QDvw2RJDssCHi9gNHSlY+4umd90b8/9oObcsUprvJZoMTYD0faGcMgCPnI20r5TbNZbo= X-Received: by 2002:ac2:420a:: with SMTP id y10mr8591279lfh.388.1605082709467; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:18:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> <E1kcisH-00075V-VI@HIDDEN> <X6t7OEoPtvYFh6P5@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <X6t7OEoPtvYFh6P5@HIDDEN> From: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 16:18:17 +0800 Message-ID: <CA+A2iZZFgYYSFwqWaXpT-otn3b+ooEwk4NQpKLLso81JNfptew@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. To: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Just to clarify, I am not asking that exactly the syntax of srfi-62 as it is be added. (Although Emacs Lisp already uses #'symbol as a reader-syntax switch, so I suspect that it is possible) I am asking for _some_ syntax to comment out valid sexps, whichever fits Emacs Lisp most. Vlad On Wed, 11 Nov 2020 at 15:46, Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> wrote: > > * Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> [2020-11-11 08:42]: > > [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] > > [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] > > [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > > > > > #| this is > > > > a comment |# > > > > > Voting for CL comment blocks. > > > > Before deciding to add any syntax to Emacs Lisp, we must make sure > > that all the Lisp-parsing commands can handle them. > > > > If some other Lisp mode handles them already, that suggests it won't > > be hard; but we have to verify it works in the context of Emacs Lisp > > mode before making the decision to add that synatx to EMacs Lisp. > > Oh, yes! Thank you, it is understandable. In addition it would cause > many compatibility problems with outside packages and previous > versions of Emacs. > -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (Sent from GMail web interface.)
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 05:41:16 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Nov 11 00:41:16 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39996 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcisd-0006Gf-PP for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:41:15 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:54670) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1kcisc-0006GU-05 for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:41:14 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:50629) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1kcisW-000643-DK; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:41:08 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1kcisH-00075V-VI; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:40:55 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> (message from Jean Louis on Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:31:54 +0300) Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1kcisH-00075V-VI@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2020 00:40:53 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: larsi@HIDDEN, lockywolf@HIDDEN, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > #| this is > > a comment |# > Voting for CL comment blocks. Before deciding to add any syntax to Emacs Lisp, we must make sure that all the Lisp-parsing commands can handle them. If some other Lisp mode handles them already, that suggests it won't be hard; but we have to verify it works in the context of Emacs Lisp mode before making the decision to add that synatx to EMacs Lisp. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Nov 2020 01:25:07 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 10 20:25:07 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:39573 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcesk-0006Fy-Vw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:25:07 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:33506) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kcesj-0006Fp-QF for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:25:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:46768) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kcesj-0004W9-KQ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:25:05 -0500 Received: from static.214.254.202.116.clients.your-server.de ([116.202.254.214]:34764 helo=ciao.gmane.io) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kcesi-0001PY-AQ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 20:25:05 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1kcesf-0008eA-SI for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Wed, 11 Nov 2020 02:25:01 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: "Jose A. Ortega Ruiz" <jao@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 23:18:39 +0000 Message-ID: <87blg4ztps.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1kcXGi-00914G-Dm@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:nUEUSiBM6Ij896uAkEvUEcI1snQ= X-Attribution: jao X-Clacks-Overhead: GNU Terry Pratchett X-URL: <http://jao.io/> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: First seen = 2020/11/10 09:16:09 X-ACL-Warn: Detected OS = Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Spam_score_int: -15 X-Spam_score: -1.6 X-Spam_bar: - X-Spam_report: (-1.6 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.1 (--) since people are voting, here's my +1 for sexp (#;) comments. i've been programming in languages that have them almost daily for the last ten years, and find them invaluable, and better than block comments. for me, their main advantages are that i commonly have my point at the beginning of the sexp and don't need to move around to comment it out, and that they can nest very easily (by that i mean that #;#; would comment out the next 2 sexps, and so on). sexp comments also combine nicely with the fact that most of my movements over lispy code are sexp-based, and help me not commenting out by mistake closing parens. in the much fewer occasions i need a block comment, it's normally easy to use comment-region, and packages like paredit help there. (of course if we end up having only block comments, it's trivial writing an emacs command commenting out the next n sexps using them (or, heck, even /not/ using them) so i'm fine either way at the end of the day.) cheers, jao -- And what should they know of England who only England know? - Kipling
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2020 19:40:41 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 10 14:40:41 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38930 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcZVR-0005zq-Dt for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:40:41 -0500 Received: from static.rcdrun.com ([95.85.24.50]:49783) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <bugs@HIDDEN>) id 1kcZVQ-0005zj-3b for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 14:40:40 -0500 Received: from localhost ([::ffff:197.157.34.177]) (AUTH: PLAIN admin, TLS: TLS1.2,256bits,ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384) by static.rcdrun.com with ESMTPSA id 00000000002C0005.000000005FAAECB5.00000A94; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 19:40:36 +0000 Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:31:54 +0300 From: Jean Louis <bugs@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Message-ID: <X6rqqhsLFeFLe7ag@HIDDEN> References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Mutt/2.0 (3d08634) (2020-11-07) X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>, 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) * Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> [2020-11-10 18:03]: > Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> writes: > > > #;(defvar demo-variable nil > > "This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-62.") > > ``` > > > > The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore the next valid > > s-expression completely". > > Sexp-based comments would certainly be nice, but I wonder whether > comment blocks would be even more useful (if we have to prioritise): > > #| this is > a comment |# Voting for CL comment blocks. It will increase documenting ability of Emacs. I am using such to accept input from customers online, their human readable data is shown in the comment blocks, and it is all LISP data that can be processed.
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Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2020 17:18:02 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 10 12:18:02 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38814 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcXHO-0000DI-83 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:18:02 -0500 Received: from userp2120.oracle.com ([156.151.31.85]:36650) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <drew.adams@HIDDEN>) id 1kcXHM-0000D0-O9 for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:18:01 -0500 Received: from pps.filterd (userp2120.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp2120.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0AAHFF3F126617; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:17:54 GMT DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=oracle.com; h=mime-version : message-id : date : from : sender : to : cc : subject : references : in-reply-to : content-type : content-transfer-encoding; s=corp-2020-01-29; bh=7J2c/ZpqbUwzmg6wDztnQ5lGx/XGIlAq8o2DfmsVVh4=; b=SDYIv3nvfb8NvGvizTrpMdyUl/NRM+Yt+85caDLzzJzx/hxwlKPomin68WChtuktQrHq KedTxW3mGMR5v9X1aS6pCDztE06K4CC/qTUngE8tASI0Ojdex3fli5RMlScODZCIzgYC tfKotZVVGo81uACt7kecz3lhmF213MEffgHtR4d/yeVZoC3G/plu8G3CtP00HQjyguO6 AFZx+hDfqcvUo6jmC6AXXy6QDeXBVob3KEvj2TZgKQr0C/kfrUutplpKU3bf6lBp00mM Kgm1/cCTM+pzUYQe0QmTRaKtEvJAGKtG3N02zC5ZmqTT/xuwCW1/eEn/NPCVVVdH3Gi4 Nw== Received: from userp3030.oracle.com (userp3030.oracle.com [156.151.31.80]) by userp2120.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34p72ek0f5-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=FAIL); Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:17:54 +0000 Received: from pps.filterd (userp3030.oracle.com [127.0.0.1]) by userp3030.oracle.com (8.16.0.42/8.16.0.42) with SMTP id 0AAHAAOb190387; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:17:53 GMT Received: from userv0121.oracle.com (userv0121.oracle.com [156.151.31.72]) by userp3030.oracle.com with ESMTP id 34p5gx85q2-1 (version=TLSv1.2 cipher=ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 bits=256 verify=OK); Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:17:53 +0000 Received: from abhmp0005.oracle.com (abhmp0005.oracle.com [141.146.116.11]) by userv0121.oracle.com (8.14.4/8.13.8) with ESMTP id 0AAHHpQR025640; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 17:17:51 GMT MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-ID: <6184e820-23e1-4324-807f-6f8a5feaa26c@default> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 09:17:50 -0800 (PST) From: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>, Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> Subject: RE: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87mtzpgsz7.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Oracle Beehive Extensions for Outlook 2.0.1.9.1 (1003210) [OL 16.0.5071.0 (x86)] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9801 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=941 mlxscore=0 spamscore=0 phishscore=0 adultscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011100121 X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=nai engine=6000 definitions=9801 signatures=668682 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 bulkscore=0 mlxlogscore=971 mlxscore=0 malwarescore=0 suspectscore=0 lowpriorityscore=0 adultscore=0 phishscore=0 priorityscore=1501 spamscore=0 impostorscore=0 clxscore=1011 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=8.12.0-2009150000 definitions=main-2011100121 X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > I wonder whether comment blocks would be even more useful > (if we have to prioritise): >=20 > #| this is > a comment |# >=20 > The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid things > in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do. #; also looks like > slightly hard to read if you do stuff like >=20 > (foo #;(foobar > ... > 1) > zot) +1 for Common-Lisp block comments. (And for reader macros, FWIW...)
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#44554; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 44554) by debbugs.gnu.org; 10 Nov 2020 17:17:25 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Tue Nov 10 12:17:25 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:38810 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kcXGm-0000CO-UO for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:17:25 -0500 Received: from smtp-clients2.isti.cnr.it ([146.48.28.37]:43140) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <pot@HIDDEN>) id 1kcXGk-0000CD-VV for 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 12:17:23 -0500 Received: from tucano.isti.cnr.it (tucano.isti.cnr.it [146.48.81.102]) (Authenticated sender: pot) by smtp-clients2.isti.cnr.it (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id F34A6AE6E2; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:17:20 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Status: Clean X-Virus-Scanned: clamav-milter 0.102.4 at smtp-out.isti.cnr.it Received: from pot by tucano.isti.cnr.it with local (Exim 4.94) (envelope-from <pot@HIDDEN>) id 1kcXGi-00914G-Dm; Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:17:20 +0100 From: =?utf-8?Q?Francesco_Potort=C3=AC?= <pot@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 18:17:20 +0100 To: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> In-reply-to: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#44554: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. References: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> Organization: X-fingerprint: 4B02 6187 5C03 D6B1 2E31 7666 09DF 2DC9 BE21 6115 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit Message-Id: <E1kcXGi-00914G-Dm@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 1.0 (+) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.0 (/) >``` >#;(defvar demo-variable nil > "This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-62.") >``` > >The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore the next valid >s-expression completely". I have always dreamt of this :)
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To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000b2036805b3c2195a" X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 44554 Cc: 44554 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) --000000000000b2036805b3c2195a Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Well, fontification usually solves the problem of "slightly hard to read" for me, because it's usually very different in co colour. Speaking of block comments, I have no opinion about that. The point of s-comments is exactly that they keep sexp syntax intact. Block comments are not expected to do that (even for the human languages within the comments). -- Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin (Sent with Google mail mobile.) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> =E4=BA=8E 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6=9C=8810=E6= =97=A5=E5=91=A8=E4=BA=8C 22:57=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A > Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> writes: > > > #;(defvar demo-variable nil > > "This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-62.") > > ``` > > > > The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore the next valid > > s-expression completely". > > Sexp-based comments would certainly be nice, but I wonder whether > comment blocks would be even more useful (if we have to prioritise): > > #| this is > a comment |# > > The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid things > in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do. #; also looks like > slightly hard to read if you do stuff like > > (foo #;(foobar > ... > 1) > zot) > > -- > (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) > bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no > --000000000000b2036805b3c2195a Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"auto"><div>Well, fontification usually solves the problem of &q= uot;slightly hard to read" for me, because it's usually very diffe= rent in co colour.</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br></div><div dir=3D"auto">Speak= ing of block comments, I have no opinion about that. The point of s-comment= s is exactly that they keep sexp syntax intact.=C2=A0</div><div dir=3D"auto= ">Block comments are not expected to do that (even for the human languages = within the comments).</div><div dir=3D"auto"><br><div data-smartmail=3D"gma= il_signature" dir=3D"auto">--<br>Yours sincerely, Vladimir Nikishkin<br>(Se= nt with Google mail mobile.)</div><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote" dir=3D"aut= o"><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"gmail_attr">Lars Ingebrigtsen <<a href=3D"m= ailto:larsi@HIDDEN">larsi@HIDDEN</a>> =E4=BA=8E 2020=E5=B9=B411=E6= =9C=8810=E6=97=A5=E5=91=A8=E4=BA=8C 22:57=E5=86=99=E9=81=93=EF=BC=9A<br></d= iv><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left= :1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Vladimir Nikishkin <<a href=3D"mailto:= lockywolf@HIDDEN" target=3D"_blank" rel=3D"noreferrer">lockywolf@HIDDEN= om</a>> writes:<br> <br> > #;(defvar demo-variable nil<br> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0"This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-= 62.")<br> > ```<br> ><br> > The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore th= e next valid<br> > s-expression completely".<br> <br> Sexp-based comments would certainly be nice, but I wonder whether<br> comment blocks would be even more useful (if we have to prioritise):<br> <br> #| this is<br> a comment |#<br> <br> The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid things= <br> in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do.=C2=A0 #; also looks like<= br> slightly hard to read if you do stuff like<br> <br> (foo #;(foobar<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 ...<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 1)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0zot)<br> <br> -- <br> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)<br> =C2=A0 =C2=A0bloggy blog: <a href=3D"http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no" rel=3D"no= referrer noreferrer" target=3D"_blank">http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no</a><br> </blockquote></div></div></div> --000000000000b2036805b3c2195a--
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Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> writes:
> #;(defvar demo-variable nil
> "This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-62.")
> ```
>
> The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore the next valid
> s-expression completely".
Sexp-based comments would certainly be nice, but I wonder whether
comment blocks would be even more useful (if we have to prioritise):
#| this is
a comment |#
The advantage is that you don't have to have syntactically valid things
in comment blocks, while #; requires that you do. #; also looks like
slightly hard to read if you do stuff like
(foo #;(foobar
...
1)
zot)
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[141.164.61.133]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id 16sm14273168pfp.163.2020.11.10.06.04.26 for <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN> (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Tue, 10 Nov 2020 06:04:28 -0800 (PST) User-agent: mu4e 1.4.13; emacs 27.1 From: Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN> To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN Subject: 27.1; Feature request: SRFI-62 style comments for Emacs Lisp. Message-ID: <87sg9hwbo8.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Tue, 10 Nov 2020 22:04:24 +0800 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2607:f8b0:4864:20::430; envelope-from=lockywolf@HIDDEN; helo=mail-pf1-x430.google.com X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: No matching host in p0f cache. That's all we know. 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As Emacs Lisp is becoming more and more a general purpose and high performance language, would the development team consider extending the Emacs Lisp reader syntax to allow for a more flexible kind of comments? A formal specification can be found at https://srfi.schemers.org/srfi-62/srfi-62.html However, and informal specification would be illustrated by the following example: ``` #;(defvar demo-variable nil "This is a demo-variable declared to illustrate SRFI-62.") ``` The special reader syntax "#;" means "please, ignore the next valid s-expression completely". The comment itself is almost and s-expression, which allows to maintain full homoiconicity of the source file, and manipulate the comment contents easier. I hope that this proposal may be useful not just for me, but for other Emacs Lisp developers. 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eucjp-ms cp51932 hebrew greek romanian slovak czech european ethiopic indian cyrillic chinese composite charscript charprop case-table epa-hook jka-cmpr-hook help simple abbrev obarray cl-preloaded nadvice loaddefs button faces cus-face macroexp files text-properties overlay sha1 md5 base64 format env code-pages mule custom widget hashtable-print-readable backquote threads dbusbind inotify lcms2 dynamic-setting font-render-setting move-toolbar gtk x-toolkit x multi-tty make-network-process emacs) Memory information: ((conses 16 2640822 123710) (symbols 48 69587 1) (strings 32 348665 27737) (string-bytes 1 11746856) (vectors 16 122136) (vector-slots 8 2341003 99070) (floats 8 1192 508) (intervals 56 142598 3435) (buffers 1000 38)) --=20 Vladimir Nikishkin (MiEr, lockywolf) (Laptop)
Vladimir Nikishkin <lockywolf@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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