Received: (at submit) by emacsbugs.donarmstrong.com; 18 Sep 2009 21:17:34 +0000 From eliz@HIDDEN Fri Sep 18 14:17:34 2009 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 (2008-06-10) on rzlab.ucr.edu X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Bayes: score:0.5 Bayes not run. spammytokens:Tokens not available. hammytokens:Tokens not available. X-Spam-Status: No, score=-3.2 required=4.0 tests=AWL,FOURLA autolearn=no version=3.2.5-bugs.debian.org_2005_01_02 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org (fencepost.gnu.org [184.108.40.206]) by rzlab.ucr.edu (8.14.3/8.14.3/Debian-5) with ESMTP id n8ILHX52004971 for <submit@HIDDEN>; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 14:17:34 -0700 Received: from mail.gnu.org ([220.127.116.11]:53645 helo=mx10.gnu.org) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.67) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1Mokpg-00034v-KQ for emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:17:32 -0400 Received: from Debian-exim by monty-python.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1Mokpe-0000yb-PQ for emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:17:32 -0400 Received: from mtaout3.012.net.il ([18.104.22.168]:61993) by monty-python.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1Mokpe-0000yT-A7 for emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN; Fri, 18 Sep 2009 17:17:30 -0400 Received: from conversion-daemon.i_mtaout3.012.net.il by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) id <0KQ600H00R0NSH00@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:17:29 +0300 (IDT) Received: from HOME-C4E4A596F7 ([22.214.171.124]) by i_mtaout3.012.net.il (HyperSendmail v2004.12) with ESMTPA id <0KQ6009KDR54Z350@i_mtaout3.012.net.il> for emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN; Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:17:29 +0300 (IDT) Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:16:36 +0300 From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: 23.1.50; "Mode Line" in the Emacs manual "Needs Work"(TM) X-012-Sender: halo1@HIDDEN To: emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN Reply-to: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-id: <837hvwvtqj.fsf@HIDDEN> X-detected-operating-system: by monty-python.gnu.org: Solaris 9.1 Please write in English if possible, because the Emacs maintainers usually do not have translators to read other languages for them. Your bug report will be posted to the emacs-pretest-bug@HIDDEN mailing list. Please describe exactly what actions triggered the bug and the precise symptoms of the bug: This node of the manual has several problems: . It does not mention the "@" character that is put in the mode line of emacsclient frames. . It does not explain what do I>, I+, and I@ input method indications mean. The cross-reference to the "Input Methods" node does not help, because this issue is not explained there, either (nor should it be, IMO). . The differences between text-mode and GUI terminals are mentioned in a way that is hard to read. I would suggest to rewrite the text using an @itemize list, with a separate @item for each indicator that can be in the mode line, and for those that can only appear on text-mode terminals, say just that. . For a user on a text-mode terminal, where a mouse cannot be used to have the value that corresponds to the indicator spelled out, it would be good to mention variables that hold those values, so that the user could evaluate them when she needs that. For example, the mnemonics for the various coding-systems can be seen by evaluating buffer-file-coding-system etc. If Emacs crashed, and you have the Emacs process in the gdb debugger, please include the output from the following gdb commands: `bt full' and `xbacktrace'. If you would like to further debug the crash, please read the file d:/gnu/emacs/etc/DEBUG for instructions. In GNU Emacs 126.96.36.199 (i386-mingw-nt5.1.2600) of 2009-09-18 on HOME-C4E4A596F7 Windowing system distributor `Microsoft Corp.', version 5.1.2600 configured using `configure --with-gcc (3.4)' Important settings: value of $LC_ALL: nil value of $LC_COLLATE: nil value of $LC_CTYPE: nil value of $LC_MESSAGES: nil value of $LC_MONETARY: nil value of $LC_NUMERIC: nil value of $LC_TIME: nil value of $LANG: ENU value of $XMODIFIERS: nil locale-coding-system: cp1255 default enable-multibyte-characters: t Major mode: Info Minor modes in effect: tooltip-mode: t mouse-wheel-mode: t tool-bar-mode: t menu-bar-mode: t file-name-shadow-mode: t global-font-lock-mode: t font-lock-mode: t blink-cursor-mode: t global-auto-composition-mode: t auto-composition-mode: t auto-encryption-mode: t auto-compression-mode: t line-number-mode: t transient-mark-mode: t Recent input: M-x <backspace> <backspace> C-u C-h i g n <tab> <backspace> <backspace> i n f <tab> e m a <tab> <return> i m o d e SPC l i n e <return> M-x r e p o r t - e m a <tab> <return> Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. call-interactively: Text is read-only [2 times] Quit Found `mode line' in Concept Index. (14 total; use `,' for next) Load-path shadows: None found.
Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>:
Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>. Full text available.
bug-submit-list@HIDDEN, Emacs Bugs <bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>:
emacs. Full text available.
GNU bug tracking system
Copyright (C) 1999 Darren O. Benham, 1997 nCipher Corporation Ltd, 1994-97 Ian Jackson.