Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
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Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 11 Oct 2021 15:33:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Oct 11 11:33:03 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:60709 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1mZxIG-0002CW-Ia for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 11:33:03 -0400 Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([131.179.128.68]:48542) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eggert@HIDDEN>) id 1mZxIE-0002CJ-Ml for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 11:32:47 -0400 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 38C5E1600C2; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10032) with ESMTP id 7Fa-tc5H6OWJ; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 653361600C3; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at zimbra.cs.ucla.edu Received: from zimbra.cs.ucla.edu ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (zimbra.cs.ucla.edu [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10026) with ESMTP id 0_SD3U3SC7pe; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: from [192.168.1.9] (cpe-172-91-119-151.socal.res.rr.com [172.91.119.151]) by zimbra.cs.ucla.edu (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 3926F1600C2; Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:40 -0700 (PDT) To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>, Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmnL_hPFMGGwnXmEou7wfM9HStWiOSKnC+Ja5OncROQ7yA@HIDDEN> From: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> Organization: UCLA Computer Science Department Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h Message-ID: <3944d937-2aac-06c2-096c-175f55c43527@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 11 Oct 2021 08:32:39 -0700 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:78.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/78.13.0 MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmnL_hPFMGGwnXmEou7wfM9HStWiOSKnC+Ja5OncROQ7yA@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed Content-Language: en-US Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>, 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.1 (-) On 10/11/21 5:36 AM, Stefan Kangas wrote: >> If so, then we need to fix that. emacs-module.h must be 100% portable. > Paul, do you have any opinion here? The discussion shows that Eli > thought at the time that it's not really worth doing much about this. It's not a problem I thought worth addressing either. That being said,=20 it would be nice if someone had the time to code up a fix, as that'd=20 make Phillipp Stephani's builds go faster. Any fix should continue to=20 address the out-of-source 'make dist' problem that Phillip Lord reported=20 a couple of years ago=20 <https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html>.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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Dez. 2020 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: >> >> > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> >> > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 18:52:26 +0100 >> > >> > The release archive for Emacs 27.1 as distributed on ftp.gnu.org is >> > missing the emacs-module.h header. >> >> This happens because emacs-module.h was removed from make-dist, in >> this commit: >> >> commit 1043cd30acffcc0b61da4a80dcf3f8a5ac459267 >> Author: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> >> AuthorDate: Sat Jun 8 14:08:05 2019 -0700 >> Commit: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> >> CommitDate: Sat Jun 8 14:42:10 2019 -0700 >> >> Fix out-of-source make-dist problems >> >> Problem with jisx2131-filter reported by Phillip Lord in: >> https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html >> * admin/charsets/Makefile.in (SED_SCRIPT): >> Put it in $(srcdir), which is not necessarily the working directory. >> ($(SED_SCRIPT)): Rename from jisx2131-filter. All uses changed. >> (clean): Do not remove SED_SCRIPT. >> (extraclean): Remove it here instead. >> * make-dist (possibly_non_vc_files): Remove src/emacs-module.h. >> Although it is portable and could be distributed in the tarball, >> it's too much hassle to do that, so let each builder make it. >> >> Wasn't there some discussion about the problems with distributing it, >> as it is not entirely portable? > > If so, then we need to fix that. emacs-module.h must be 100% portable. Paul, do you have any opinion here? The discussion shows that Eli thought at the time that it's not really worth doing much about this.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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Dez. 2020 um 19:37 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:55:46 +0100 > > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > > Concretely, I'm using emacs-module.h for my Go bindings to the module > > > > API (https://godoc.org/github.com/phst/emacs). The compilation of the > > > > library naturally requires emacs-module.h, but not Emacs. > > > > > > So you will build the module, but never test it or use it? Is that a > > > reasonably practical use case? > > > > It depends what "you" is. "You" could be a continuous build system > > that's capable of compiling C code, but not of running Emacs. That's > > not far-fetched; compiling C code is far more common than running > > Emacs, and therefore is better supported by build systems. > > There's no need to build Emacs, you only need to configure it to get > emacs-module.h generated. Yes, but in practice running configure is more complex than compiling: compiling only needs a C compiler and a linker, while running configure also needs a shell and (potentially) other programs like pkg-config. So not having to run the compile step doesn't help much here.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2020 18:57:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 12 13:57:56 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46521 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1koA5c-0003N5-C4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:57:56 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:56634) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1koA5b-0003Mr-A9 for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:57:55 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:49202) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1koA5W-0000AZ-1m; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:57:50 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=4696 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1koA5K-0003kf-W7; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:57:43 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:57:26 +0200 Message-Id: <83sg8aett5.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkRxaZE2M6MZGkp3woQLoB+Q5KnT-aD=p=Jqkg-wGK5f2Q@HIDDEN> (message from Philipp Stephani on Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:55:46 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> <83tut4f46r.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkR4Ca3u3pTf+HtXUnHe87Zc4AW2wO11LWTyWOT_rSHCoA@HIDDEN> <83sg8of3ag.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkRv1E1Ci2nwesKE7hmNa_ViJNfkfTvB33NLrTBnvb4CGg@HIDDEN> <83k0tuagvh.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkRxaZE2M6MZGkp3woQLoB+Q5KnT-aD=p=Jqkg-wGK5f2Q@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:55:46 +0100 > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Quoting the commit message, the only reason given for not including > emacs-module.h is "it's too much hassle", without any explanation what > this "hassle" consists in and why it is "too much". (The release > tarball also includes .elc files, and those are a much bigger hassle > to build.) Rather, this decision shifts the hassle to the users. Emacs is not the only package that needs to be built to have the header files needed to build software against it. Many libraries put their users through the same "hassles", so it isn't like Emacs is the odd one out here.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 12 Dec 2020 18:37:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Dec 12 13:37:33 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:46503 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1ko9lt-0000lR-Ef for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:37:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45714) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ko9lr-0000l5-FY for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:37:32 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48238) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ko9lm-0000M9-80; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:37:26 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=3457 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1ko9lk-0007Cv-Iu; Sat, 12 Dec 2020 13:37:25 -0500 Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 20:37:10 +0200 Message-Id: <83v9d6euqx.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkRxaZE2M6MZGkp3woQLoB+Q5KnT-aD=p=Jqkg-wGK5f2Q@HIDDEN> (message from Philipp Stephani on Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:55:46 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> <83tut4f46r.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkR4Ca3u3pTf+HtXUnHe87Zc4AW2wO11LWTyWOT_rSHCoA@HIDDEN> <83sg8of3ag.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkRv1E1Ci2nwesKE7hmNa_ViJNfkfTvB33NLrTBnvb4CGg@HIDDEN> <83k0tuagvh.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkRxaZE2M6MZGkp3woQLoB+Q5KnT-aD=p=Jqkg-wGK5f2Q@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > Date: Sat, 12 Dec 2020 15:55:46 +0100 > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > Concretely, I'm using emacs-module.h for my Go bindings to the module > > > API (https://godoc.org/github.com/phst/emacs). The compilation of the > > > library naturally requires emacs-module.h, but not Emacs. > > > > So you will build the module, but never test it or use it? Is that a > > reasonably practical use case? > > It depends what "you" is. "You" could be a continuous build system > that's capable of compiling C code, but not of running Emacs. That's > not far-fetched; compiling C code is far more common than running > Emacs, and therefore is better supported by build systems. There's no need to build Emacs, you only need to configure it to get emacs-module.h generated.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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Dez. 2020 um 20:12 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 18:13:30 +0100 > > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > I'm making a step back and asking why you thought it was a problem > > > that emacs-module.h was not part of the release tarball. It gets > > > built as part of Emacs, so once Emacs is built, the header is > > > available. So why do you want it to be in the tarball? > > > > Concretely, I'm using emacs-module.h for my Go bindings to the module > > API (https://godoc.org/github.com/phst/emacs). The compilation of the > > library naturally requires emacs-module.h, but not Emacs. > > So you will build the module, but never test it or use it? Is that a > reasonably practical use case? It depends what "you" is. "You" could be a continuous build system that's capable of compiling C code, but not of running Emacs. That's not far-fetched; compiling C code is far more common than running Emacs, and therefore is better supported by build systems. Or, the tests for the module aren't written in ELisp. It's entirely reasonable to write the tests in the language that the module is written in, and e.g. mock out the emacs_env object. Or: the module provides only trivial wrappers around existing complex functions, and those implementation functions have tests written in another language. > > > Somewhat more abstractly, Emacs modules are independent from Emacs, > > and Emacs isn't needed (and shouldn't be needed) to build them. > > If you just build a module and never use it, perhaps. Once you want > to use it, you need Emacs. See above, "you" can be non-human users that can't or don't need to use Emacs in any meaningful way. > > > Moreover, the build process for Emacs is rather involved, requiring > > multiple steps lots of external binaries such as the GNU Autotools, > > etc., while building a module only requires a C compiler (or compiler > > for whatever language the module is written in) and a linker that > > produces shared objects. > > Most people nowadays don't build their Emacs, they get it from a > distribution. That distribution will (or should) provide > emacs-module.h as well. That only works for non-hermetic builds. Hermetic builds (such as the Bazel builds in my example) need to ship all dependencies and can't rely on local distributions. CI/CD systems also tend to not have a full GNU/Linux distribution with Linux installed, or they run builds in a sandbox that doesn't allow access to local files (for hermeticity or security), or similar. > > So I'm still not sure we have a good reason to revert the decision we > made for Emacs 27 regarding emacs-module.h exclusion. Quoting the commit message, the only reason given for not including emacs-module.h is "it's too much hassle", without any explanation what this "hassle" consists in and why it is "too much". (The release tarball also includes .elc files, and those are a much bigger hassle to build.) Rather, this decision shifts the hassle to the users.
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Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 6 Dec 2020 19:12:38 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Dec 06 14:12:38 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51304 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1klzSY-0006Id-AR for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2020 14:12:38 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57668) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1klzSW-0006IN-KI for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 06 Dec 2020 14:12:37 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:41274) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1klzSQ-0007Ov-Jh; Sun, 06 Dec 2020 14:12:31 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1847 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1klzSP-0001Lk-KW; Sun, 06 Dec 2020 14:12:30 -0500 Date: Sun, 06 Dec 2020 21:12:18 +0200 Message-Id: <83k0tuagvh.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkRv1E1Ci2nwesKE7hmNa_ViJNfkfTvB33NLrTBnvb4CGg@HIDDEN> (message from Philipp Stephani on Sun, 6 Dec 2020 18:13:30 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> <83tut4f46r.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkR4Ca3u3pTf+HtXUnHe87Zc4AW2wO11LWTyWOT_rSHCoA@HIDDEN> <83sg8of3ag.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkRv1E1Ci2nwesKE7hmNa_ViJNfkfTvB33NLrTBnvb4CGg@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > Date: Sun, 6 Dec 2020 18:13:30 +0100 > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > I'm making a step back and asking why you thought it was a problem > > that emacs-module.h was not part of the release tarball. It gets > > built as part of Emacs, so once Emacs is built, the header is > > available. So why do you want it to be in the tarball? > > Concretely, I'm using emacs-module.h for my Go bindings to the module > API (https://godoc.org/github.com/phst/emacs). The compilation of the > library naturally requires emacs-module.h, but not Emacs. So you will build the module, but never test it or use it? Is that a reasonably practical use case? > Somewhat more abstractly, Emacs modules are independent from Emacs, > and Emacs isn't needed (and shouldn't be needed) to build them. If you just build a module and never use it, perhaps. Once you want to use it, you need Emacs. > Moreover, the build process for Emacs is rather involved, requiring > multiple steps lots of external binaries such as the GNU Autotools, > etc., while building a module only requires a C compiler (or compiler > for whatever language the module is written in) and a linker that > produces shared objects. Most people nowadays don't build their Emacs, they get it from a distribution. That distribution will (or should) provide emacs-module.h as well. So I'm still not sure we have a good reason to revert the decision we made for Emacs 27 regarding emacs-module.h exclusion.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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Dez. 2020 um 19:53 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:47:49 +0100 > > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > Why is it a problem that emacs-module.h is built as part of Emacs? > > > > How is that related? > > I'm making a step back and asking why you thought it was a problem > that emacs-module.h was not part of the release tarball. It gets > built as part of Emacs, so once Emacs is built, the header is > available. So why do you want it to be in the tarball? Concretely, I'm using emacs-module.h for my Go bindings to the module API (https://godoc.org/github.com/phst/emacs). The compilation of the library naturally requires emacs-module.h, but not Emacs. In the build process I therefore extract only emacs-module.h from the release archive (https://github.com/phst/emacs/blob/29d32c83d5d39b1f0ac41bb79372ee7e1cb7439d/header.BUILD#L17). That works with Emacs 26.3, but not with 27.1. Somewhat more abstractly, Emacs modules are independent from Emacs, and Emacs isn't needed (and shouldn't be needed) to build them. Moreover, the build process for Emacs is rather involved, requiring multiple steps lots of external binaries such as the GNU Autotools, etc., while building a module only requires a C compiler (or compiler for whatever language the module is written in) and a linker that produces shared objects. Therefore it's reasonable to assume that module authors shouldn't need to build Emacs (or aren't even able to build Emacs). Including emacs-module.h in the release archive achieves that.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2020 18:53:21 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 02 13:53:21 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37406 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kkXFh-0006kB-1j for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:53:21 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37658) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkXFf-0006jw-5f for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:53:19 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55557) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkXFZ-0003lE-Ot; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:53:13 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=2700 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkXFY-0004Eb-Tj; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:53:13 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 20:53:11 +0200 Message-Id: <83sg8of3ag.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkR4Ca3u3pTf+HtXUnHe87Zc4AW2wO11LWTyWOT_rSHCoA@HIDDEN> (message from Philipp Stephani on Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:47:49 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> <83tut4f46r.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkR4Ca3u3pTf+HtXUnHe87Zc4AW2wO11LWTyWOT_rSHCoA@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:47:49 +0100 > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Why is it a problem that emacs-module.h is built as part of Emacs? > > How is that related? I'm making a step back and asking why you thought it was a problem that emacs-module.h was not part of the release tarball. It gets built as part of Emacs, so once Emacs is built, the header is available. So why do you want it to be in the tarball?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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Dez. 2020 um 19:33 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:11:44 +0100 > > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > > > commit 1043cd30acffcc0b61da4a80dcf3f8a5ac459267 > > > Author: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > > > AuthorDate: Sat Jun 8 14:08:05 2019 -0700 > > > Commit: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > > > CommitDate: Sat Jun 8 14:42:10 2019 -0700 > > > > > > Fix out-of-source make-dist problems > > > > > > Problem with jisx2131-filter reported by Phillip Lord in: > > > https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html > > > * admin/charsets/Makefile.in (SED_SCRIPT): > > > Put it in $(srcdir), which is not necessarily the working directory. > > > ($(SED_SCRIPT)): Rename from jisx2131-filter. All uses changed. > > > (clean): Do not remove SED_SCRIPT. > > > (extraclean): Remove it here instead. > > > * make-dist (possibly_non_vc_files): Remove src/emacs-module.h. > > > Although it is portable and could be distributed in the tarball, > > > it's too much hassle to do that, so let each builder make it. > > > > > > Wasn't there some discussion about the problems with distributing it, > > > as it is not entirely portable? > > > > If so, then we need to fix that. emacs-module.h must be 100% portable. > > Why is it a problem that emacs-module.h is built as part of Emacs? How is that related? emacs-module.h is just a textual concatenation of various fragments. There's nothing platform-specific that's part of its build process. A module author shouldn't need to care about whether emacs-module.h is checked in or created by configure; it should just be part of the release.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2020 18:33:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 02 13:33:59 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37366 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kkWwx-0006GE-3T for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:33:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60862) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkWwu-0006Fe-KH for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:33:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:55268) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkWwp-0001Cx-Ar; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:33:51 -0500 Received: from [176.228.60.248] (port=1481 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1kkWwo-0005Jc-9O; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:33:50 -0500 Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 20:33:48 +0200 Message-Id: <83tut4f46r.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> (message from Philipp Stephani on Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:11:44 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:11:44 +0100 > Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > commit 1043cd30acffcc0b61da4a80dcf3f8a5ac459267 > > Author: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > > AuthorDate: Sat Jun 8 14:08:05 2019 -0700 > > Commit: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > > CommitDate: Sat Jun 8 14:42:10 2019 -0700 > > > > Fix out-of-source make-dist problems > > > > Problem with jisx2131-filter reported by Phillip Lord in: > > https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html > > * admin/charsets/Makefile.in (SED_SCRIPT): > > Put it in $(srcdir), which is not necessarily the working directory. > > ($(SED_SCRIPT)): Rename from jisx2131-filter. All uses changed. > > (clean): Do not remove SED_SCRIPT. > > (extraclean): Remove it here instead. > > * make-dist (possibly_non_vc_files): Remove src/emacs-module.h. > > Although it is portable and could be distributed in the tarball, > > it's too much hassle to do that, so let each builder make it. > > > > Wasn't there some discussion about the problems with distributing it, > > as it is not entirely portable? > > If so, then we need to fix that. emacs-module.h must be 100% portable. Why is it a problem that emacs-module.h is built as part of Emacs?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 45012) by debbugs.gnu.org; 2 Dec 2020 18:12:03 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Wed Dec 02 13:12:02 2020 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:37342 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1kkWbi-0005j8-Lf for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:12:02 -0500 Received: from mail-oi1-f172.google.com ([209.85.167.172]:34942) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <p.stephani2@HIDDEN>) id 1kkWbh-0005ie-E3 for 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 13:12:01 -0500 Received: by mail-oi1-f172.google.com with SMTP id t9so2562735oic.2 for <45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org>; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:12:01 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc; bh=AStncIxihrNlr+qpTsKdTaKMpiO8KYWU1eUIc6ZkuFI=; b=cV4fYaHIesX9KqRLB0zGaUTTuEtqr41l4FkUMvNKHPcKfDO+uMaxStUfClX66shYFy BC53X/ATaWnLc+SzEZwAEwZo0ptyQSBGvYpEsU/pp5G2e7wHpz4wxvly8NFXnrRdF/nO WiNQyyo1zUH0izq7O/nHSM8kVudo+j0+SJ/IOPyKCK2V8IEDXz4MRSJtWYvD858P9ge1 UabrGNe3y4i6kwXhDIjHMTy9Z0WdTW+Qo0wNS2ci/MM9a6ZiR+lVgHGlFBgFtC7kxVsi /5V+J3FJmkbU7yQGZOeCbhoHcCLG9zE3Q7gOtwEOCP/QyhrEu+5HITZ9BBX7aTi5ODui CoKQ== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc; bh=AStncIxihrNlr+qpTsKdTaKMpiO8KYWU1eUIc6ZkuFI=; b=pshPjaijFZdVco9+tMrzyCYLFFX1vYMUJdCyEjl0C1fTtxPbSYFS3Amhele7UMr4e5 EPRpK/K8xmpC98QJcUbq0ZHmODPTzLUBnmy3bAMIsTYdsB4pKJD0wyoYNmoCCArD6gyT Z1Fp+PrYJtSI8uEBykMDD4UXoEN2F2mwicumAGtQAnG2QUMnjzh4nUTir2fxQrBkXiUX F/UvlKXq2UehIeZEA0V9N2YqasrVFPp0XugRfz1QawgJzzmv4KV9mSO9bvGja/ZH2gkU jagpoOP55M+69QPwqnDBIl7Ph/l1hkpzD5ht4poUrue+JraQR77bscMWc8ycOOK1ZY4u KPFg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOAM5332sAKgx3e+TySeskaAagV1FaXv28kQkAgb9nDp1WvCGc7hUQfz dE6TX8BZfFzg8w+FBwcWLh2DIW5peUrc7XcjS4E= X-Google-Smtp-Source: ABdhPJy+azadjJaD4swnkV3HsYfbSXdRGGaMqugQMBY9Ns8I/gOHs9Ee6Vbg7RUA93mebZh5QjgCu1RsANjNdH0d0eY= X-Received: by 2002:aca:1b0a:: with SMTP id b10mr2462891oib.9.1606932715544; Wed, 02 Dec 2020 10:11:55 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 References: <wvr4ft4occyt.fsf@HIDDEN> <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <83v9dkf594.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> Date: Wed, 2 Dec 2020 19:11:44 +0100 Message-ID: <CAArVCkS9=EWkWhnFww19LxdwikgRQSrQDwrAMOWar_r-X+rGeQ@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#45012: 27.1.50; Emacs 27.1 release archive missing emacs-module.h To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" X-Spam-Score: 0.2 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 45012 Cc: 45012 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.8 (/) Am Mi., 2. Dez. 2020 um 19:10 Uhr schrieb Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>: > > > From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN> > > Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 18:52:26 +0100 > > > > The release archive for Emacs 27.1 as distributed on ftp.gnu.org is > > missing the emacs-module.h header. > > This happens because emacs-module.h was removed from make-dist, in > this commit: > > commit 1043cd30acffcc0b61da4a80dcf3f8a5ac459267 > Author: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > AuthorDate: Sat Jun 8 14:08:05 2019 -0700 > Commit: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN> > CommitDate: Sat Jun 8 14:42:10 2019 -0700 > > Fix out-of-source make-dist problems > > Problem with jisx2131-filter reported by Phillip Lord in: > https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html > * admin/charsets/Makefile.in (SED_SCRIPT): > Put it in $(srcdir), which is not necessarily the working directory. > ($(SED_SCRIPT)): Rename from jisx2131-filter. All uses changed. > (clean): Do not remove SED_SCRIPT. > (extraclean): Remove it here instead. > * make-dist (possibly_non_vc_files): Remove src/emacs-module.h. > Although it is portable and could be distributed in the tarball, > it's too much hassle to do that, so let each builder make it. > > Wasn't there some discussion about the problems with distributing it, > as it is not entirely portable? If so, then we need to fix that. emacs-module.h must be 100% portable.
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> From: Philipp Stephani <p.stephani2@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 02 Dec 2020 18:52:26 +0100
>
> The release archive for Emacs 27.1 as distributed on ftp.gnu.org is
> missing the emacs-module.h header.
This happens because emacs-module.h was removed from make-dist, in
this commit:
commit 1043cd30acffcc0b61da4a80dcf3f8a5ac459267
Author: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
AuthorDate: Sat Jun 8 14:08:05 2019 -0700
Commit: Paul Eggert <eggert@HIDDEN>
CommitDate: Sat Jun 8 14:42:10 2019 -0700
Fix out-of-source make-dist problems
Problem with jisx2131-filter reported by Phillip Lord in:
https://lists.gnu.org/r/emacs-devel/2019-06/msg00147.html
* admin/charsets/Makefile.in (SED_SCRIPT):
Put it in $(srcdir), which is not necessarily the working directory.
($(SED_SCRIPT)): Rename from jisx2131-filter. All uses changed.
(clean): Do not remove SED_SCRIPT.
(extraclean): Remove it here instead.
* make-dist (possibly_non_vc_files): Remove src/emacs-module.h.
Although it is portable and could be distributed in the tarball,
it's too much hassle to do that, so let each builder make it.
Wasn't there some discussion about the problems with distributing it,
as it is not entirely portable?
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#45012; Package emacs.
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The header is present in the Emacs 26.3 release archive. Let's please make sure that the header is consistently present in the release archives. In GNU Emacs 27.1.50 (build 28, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.22) of 2020-11-29 Repository revision: 17fa17be3d93fc10f6ca91d738d5056b1b9f1f1e Repository branch: emacs-27 Windowing system distributor 'The X.Org Foundation', version 11.0.12008000 System Description: Debian GNU/Linux rodete Recent messages: For information about GNU Emacs and the GNU system, type C-h C-a. 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