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flyspell Accessibility Problem

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From: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
To: bug-gnu-emacs <at> gnu.org
Subject: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 15:49:15 +0100

Dear Compeers,

After a round of Software Accessibility iterations with Protesilaos Stavrou
regarding the wavy underline provided by flyspell, it was determined that
the wavy line is too thin for colour contrast ratios to make any difference.

One idea we came up with was to have the wavy line thicker.  However, the usual
way ispell-word highlights the word is the way forward.  Flyspell should use the
same approach highlight words as ispell-word does, eliminating the wavy underline.

Regards
Christopher

Message #8 received at 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:20:35 +0100

Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com> writes:

> After a round of Software Accessibility iterations with Protesilaos Stavrou
> regarding the wavy underline provided by flyspell, it was determined that
> the wavy line is too thin for colour contrast ratios to make any difference.
>
> One idea we came up with was to have the wavy line thicker.  However, the usual
> way ispell-word highlights the word is the way forward.  Flyspell should use the
> same approach highlight words as ispell-word does, eliminating the
> wavy underline.

I'm not quite sure I understand the request here -- this is about the
`flyspell-incorrect' and `flyspell-duplicate' faces?  Can't people just
customise that to whatever they want?

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #11 received at 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:26:41 +0100

> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:20 AM
> From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech <at> gmx.com>
> Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
>
> Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com> writes:
>
> > After a round of Software Accessibility iterations with Protesilaos Stavrou
> > regarding the wavy underline provided by flyspell, it was determined that
> > the wavy line is too thin for colour contrast ratios to make any difference.
> >
> > One idea we came up with was to have the wavy line thicker.  However, the usual
> > way ispell-word highlights the word is the way forward.  Flyspell should use the
> > same approach highlight words as ispell-word does, eliminating the
> > wavy underline.
>
> I'm not quite sure I understand the request here -- this is about the
> `flyspell-incorrect' and `flyspell-duplicate' faces?  Can't people just
> customise that to whatever they want?

Yes, but one cannot make the wavy line thicker.  This means that changing
the colour of the wavy underline according to WCAG AAA Standard is not
sufficient for compliance.

> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>

Message #14 received at 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 16:29:25 +0100

Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com> writes:

> Yes, but one cannot make the wavy line thicker.  This means that changing
> the colour of the wavy underline according to WCAG AAA Standard is not
> sufficient for compliance.

You can't make the line thicker, but you can change the face to
highlight some other way -- for instance, with a different background
colour.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

Message #17 received at 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 17:20:05 +0100

Could flyspell start implementing some basic accessibility by default.
Then it can have options to have subtle highlighting.  flyspell could
alse have an accessible option.


> Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 at 3:29 AM
> From: "Lars Ingebrigtsen" <larsi <at> gnus.org>
> To: "Christopher Dimech" <dimech <at> gmx.com>
> Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
> Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
>
> Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com> writes:
>
> > Yes, but one cannot make the wavy line thicker.  This means that changing
> > the colour of the wavy underline according to WCAG AAA Standard is not
> > sufficient for compliance.
>
> You can't make the line thicker, but you can change the face to
> highlight some other way -- for instance, with a different background
> colour.
>
> --
> (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
>    bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
>

Message #20 received at 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org (full text, mbox):

From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi <at> gnus.org>
To: Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com>
Cc: 45626 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
Subject: Re: bug#45626: flyspell Accessibility Problem
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 16:37:39 +0100

Christopher Dimech <dimech <at> gmx.com> writes:

> Could flyspell start implementing some basic accessibility by default.
> Then it can have options to have subtle highlighting.  flyspell could
> alse have an accessible option.

Increasing contrast, font sizes and ways of marking text (all general
parts of accessibility options) are all standard Emacs features, and we
have in-tree themes for this (the "modus" themes).  I wondered whether
they didn't cover the flyspell faces, but they do.

So I don't see anything to do in this bug report, and I'm closing it.

-- 
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
   bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no

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