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28.0.50; Could minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer inhibit modifications hooks, please?

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Package: emacs; Reported by: Omar Antolín Camarena <omar@HIDDEN>; dated Wed, 6 Jan 2021 00:27:02 UTC; Maintainer for emacs is bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.

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Subject: Re: bug#45686: 28.0.50; Could minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer
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> Well, I could see others wanting to trigger something on these
> modifications, too, so I'm not sure inhibiting these specific
> modifications from running the hooks would be a good general solution.

I cannot imagine anyone wanting to trigger something when eldef shortens
the prompt! But that could easily be a lack of imagination on my part. :)

I think my problem is that I'm wrong about what after-change-functions
is for. I thought it was supposed to trigger when the buffer changes due
to direct user actions, but the documentation says "after every change",
not "after user-initiated changes" or something like that. Maybe I just
need to re-adjust my expectations of when that hook runs.

> That looks like the correct solution for your use case?

Seems so.

> Anybody else got an opinion here?

I'd be interested to read other opinions, particularly if someone has a
useful example of triggering something to happen when eldef shortens the
prompt (since a single example would increase my powers of imagination!).

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Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena <omar@HIDDEN> writes:

> I'd like it if minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer was wrapped in
>
> (let ((inhibit-modification-hooks t))
>   ...)

[...]

> This works fabulously except if I use
>
> (setq minibuffer-eldef-shorten-default t)
> (minibuffer-electric-default-mode)
>
> Because if the minibuffer prompt does have a default, and it gets
> shortened, the shortening triggers after-change-functions even though
> the user hasn't typed anything at the minibuffer. So that's why I want
> minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer to inhibit modification hooks, but if
> there's a reason it shouldn't or a better way to solve my problem, I
> would love to hear it.

Well, I could see others wanting to trigger something on these
modifications, too, so I'm not sure inhibiting these specific
modifications from running the hooks would be a good general solution.
And as you say:

> For now, I just add this to my configuration, so my problem is actually
> solved already:
>
> (defun stealthily (fn &rest args)
>   (let ((inhibit-modification-hooks t))
>     (apply fn args)))
>
> (advice-add 'minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer :around #'stealthily)

That looks like the correct solution for your use case?

Anybody else got an opinion here?

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I'd like it if minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer was wrapped in

(let ((inhibit-modification-hooks t))
  ...)

In case that minibuffer-eldef-shorten-default is set to t,
minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer will modify the minibuffer contents
temporarily, but I don't think this modification should count. What do
people here think?

Now, I may be wrong about this, and also there maybe a better way to
solve my problem, so let me briefly explain it.

For every time the minibuffer is opened, I want to do something the
first time the minibuffer-contents change (basically pop up something
like a *Completions* buffer). What I'm currently doing is this:

(defun wait-for-a-change ()
  (remove-hook 'after-change-functions 'wait-for-a-change t)
  (do-the-thing-I-want))

(defun setup-to-do-the-thing-after-a-change ()
  (when minibuffer-completion-table
    (add-hook 'after-change-functions #'wait-for-a-change nil t)))

(add-hook 'minibuffer-setup-hook #'setup-to-do-the-thing-after-a-change)

This works fabulously except if I use

(setq minibuffer-eldef-shorten-default t)
(minibuffer-electric-default-mode)

Because if the minibuffer prompt does have a default, and it gets
shortened, the shortening triggers after-change-functions even though
the user hasn't typed anything at the minibuffer. So that's why I want
minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer to inhibit modification hooks, but if
there's a reason it shouldn't or a better way to solve my problem, I
would love to hear it.

For now, I just add this to my configuration, so my problem is actually
solved already:

(defun stealthily (fn &rest args)
  (let ((inhibit-modification-hooks t))
    (apply fn args)))
=20=20=20=20
(advice-add 'minibuf-eldef-setup-minibuffer :around #'stealthily)

Thanks in advance!

--
Omar Antol=C3=ADn Camarena


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Acknowledgement sent to Omar Antolín Camarena <omar@HIDDEN>:
New bug report received and forwarded. Copy sent to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN. Full text available.
Report forwarded to bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:
bug#45686; Package emacs. Full text available.
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