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> We need experience of how it feels in practice. That is, bind the
> command to a convenient key in your init.el and try remember to use it
> while editing. Note where it works as desired and where not.
>
> Some of what I found:
>
> * Having the cursor remain in the same column is very useful as it's
> usually near the spot to be edited in the original or copied line.
> Automatically moving it to the beginning or end of the line would make
> it worse.
I agree that keeping the same column would be more useful.
> * Whether it is better to keep the cursor on the first line (as if
> duplicating downwards) or the last line (as if duplicating upwards) is less
> clear. It basically comes down to whether it is more common to want
> a similar but different line above or below the original line. I weakly
> favour the current design because it generalises better and it's slightly
> more convenient to edit a sequence of lines top-down than bottom-up.
Usually I duplicate only 1 line, and in 100% of cases the cursor needs
to be on the copied line to start editing it. But when duplicating
more lines with a prefix arg, often it's expected to have the cursor
on the top copied line to start editing copied lines top-down.
I wonder if this is a common use case.
> * A single-key binding (like H-y but not C-x y) makes quite
> a difference because that way I can quickly stutter out copies as
> needed without having to plan ahead and use prefix arguments.
I don't believe everyone would agree on such short keys.
Maybe better to try finding a key in the 'C-x x' keymap
(that already contains a line-related binding 'C-x x t'
`toggle-truncate-lines').
> * Rectangle duplication is very useful when editing tables or code
> with similar structure. Compared to copy-paste, it saves a lot of
> cursor movement and permits immediate repetition if more than one copy
> is required.
Shouldn't rectangle command be on the 'C-x r' keymap?
There are already copy-rectangle-as-kill and yank-rectangle.
OTOH, it seems 'M-w C-y' already can duplicate rectangle
regions?
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If we usurp M-o now, > that recipe in NEWS.28 will no longer be completely accurate. > > Full disclosure: I'm one of those who happen to like facemenu-keymap > on M-o. Maybe it would be good to add M-o to the list of keys explicitly reserved to end users, in that case? -- Sean Whitton
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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
> * Having the cursor remain in the same column is very useful as it's
> usually near the spot to be edited in the original or copied
> line. Automatically moving it to the beginning or end of the line
> would make it worse.
[...]
> * A single-key binding (like H-y but not C-x y) makes quite a
> difference because that way I can quickly stutter out copies as needed
> without having to plan ahead and use prefix arguments.
I think that means that it might make sense to keep the command as is
(point movement wise). I.e., if we move point to the duplicated line,
then hitting `H-y' a whole bunch of times would leave point at the final
line.=20
> Moreover, even if you don't find the region-sensitive behaviour,
> others do -- for rectangular regions in particular. Nobody is going to
> complain that there are functions in Emacs that they don't care to
> use, especially when they don't take up extra keybindings.
If we decide to move to the duplicated line, but keep the same column --
then that makes no sense in a region-sensitive context at all. If you
mark a word and hit `H-y', then there's no way to keep the "current
column".
Unless the region commands are also line-based, so the word is copied to
a new line on its own, then you could keep to the same "column" in the
word.
In short: It makes no sense to mash up these two totally different
things into one command, and people do complain about commands that make
no sense.
--=20
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 22 juni 2022 kl. 09.54 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>: > It was also suggested to leave point at the start of the duplicated > lines. I think that makes more sense -- the use case here is to copy > lines so that you can start altering them, after all. 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I think that makes more sense -- the use case here is to copy > lines so that you can start altering them, after all. We need experience of how it feels in practice. That is, bind the = command to a convenient key in your init.el and try remember to use it = while editing. Note where it works as desired and where not. Some of what I found: * Having the cursor remain in the same column is very useful as it's = usually near the spot to be edited in the original or copied line. = Automatically moving it to the beginning or end of the line would make = it worse. * Whether it is better to keep the cursor on the first line (as if = duplicating downwards) or the last line (as if duplicating upwards) is = less clear. It basically comes down to whether it is more common to want = a similar but different line above or below the original line. I weakly = favour the current design because it generalises better and it's = slightly more convenient to edit a sequence of lines top-down than = bottom-up. * A single-key binding (like H-y but not C-x y) makes quite a difference = because that way I can quickly stutter out copies as needed without = having to plan ahead and use prefix arguments. * Rectangle duplication is very useful when editing tables or code with = similar structure. Compared to copy-paste, it saves a lot of cursor = movement and permits immediate repetition if more than one copy is = required. I would be very interested in your own experience (much more than = anyone's theoretical speculation). > The benefit of adding the region sensitive behaviour seems even > slighter, and the problem is, as I said, that it subverts the > (currently) clear semantics the new command has. It's not an unnatural combination; several other editors have similar = commands. Moreover, even if you don't find the region-sensitive behaviour, others = do -- for rectangular regions in particular. Nobody is going to complain = that there are functions in Emacs that they don't care to use, = especially when they don't take up extra keybindings.
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Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Seriously, it=CA=BCs a primitive operation, so Andreas is right. Anyone =
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>> wants to customize the behaviour can advise it.
>
> I like Andreas' suggestion also. Now, as I am thinkng, it looks more
> natural.
I think we'll go with that, but note that it basically saves you only
one single key press -- <down>.
> Instead of hooks, how about just a customisation variable?
> duplicate-line-point-postion - start, same, end?
I doubt that'll find much use.
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From: Robert Pluim <rpluim@HIDDEN>
To: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN>
Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line
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>>>>> On Thu, 23 Jun 2022 10:17:04 +0200, Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> s=
aid:
Andreas> On Jun 23 2022, Pankaj Jangid wrote:
>> Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
>>=20
>>>> Behaviour could be different, depending upon what programming cons=
truct
>>>> your are in. For example, in C,
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>>>> #include <a.h>
>>>> #include <b.h>
>>>> ...
>>>>=20
>>>> if I have to include a new library I=E2=80=99ll go to line-no 2 ca=
ll
>>>> duplicate-line and then I want the point at the end.
>>>=20
>>> But why do you want point at the end? You want to edit those dupli=
cated
>>> lines, presumably.
>>=20
>> Yes I want to edit it from the end.
Andreas> duplicate-line should keep point at the same column.
duplicate-line-pre-hook and duplicate-line-post-hook anyone? =F0=9F=98=9B
Seriously, it=CA=BCs a primitive operation, so Andreas is right. Anyone who
wants to customize the behaviour can advise it.
Robert
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@HIDDEN> writes: >> But why do you want point at the end? You want to edit those duplicated >> lines, presumably. > > Yes I want to edit it from the end. Beginning of the statement is mostly > common, I just want to r [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@HIDDEN> writes: >> But why do you want point at the end? You want to edit those duplicated >> lines, presumably. > > Yes I want to edit it from the end. Beginning of the statement is mostly > common, I just want to replace "b.h>" with "c.h>". "The end" here would be after the final duplicate line -- not at the end of the final duplicated line, though. So I think that putting it at the start of the duplicated lines would make more sense even here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@HIDDEN> writes:
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> duplicate-line and then I want the point at the end.
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Just to put it out there, if the result of the current discussion is that point is left at the beginning of the upper of the two lines, then using it would feel like using C-o, so duplicate-line could go on M-o. --=20 Sean Whitton
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > It seems in both cases you expect point to be at the duplicated line, > either at the beginning or the end of the duplicated line. But the > problem is that currently point stays at the original lin [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Pankaj Jangid <pankaj@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > It seems in both cases you expect point to be at the duplicated line, > either at the beginning or the end of the duplicated line. But the > problem is that currently point stays at the original line. Everybody agrees that that should be fixed. I haven't done so yet because people are submitting patches to the function, and I don't want to get in the way of those. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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> Now I realized what's actually missing is a command `mark-line'.
About a decade ago I added command `mark-line' to my
ad hoc library `misc-cmds.el', with this comment:
;; Probably not very useful.
And yeah, IMO it's not very useful (for me, at least).
> After marking the line it could move point to the
> beginning of the next line.
FWIW, my version moves to the end of the marked line.
IOW, it marks only the line, not its trailing newline.
(defun mark-line (&optional arg)
"Put mark at end of line, point at beginning.
A numeric prefix arg means move forward (backward if negative) that
many lines, thus marking a line other than the one point was
originally in."
(interactive "P")
(setq arg (if arg (prefix-numeric-value arg) 0))
(let ((inhibit-field-motion t))
(forward-line arg)
(push-mark nil t t)
(goto-char (line-end-position))))
> Then the key sequence would be `mark-line M-w C-y'. And the case of
> a missing trai[l]ing newline is very rare, so an extra RET is not a
> problem.
>=20
> > I.e., `duplicate-line' offers both a practical and
> > mental simplification over what we have today,
Bof.
> > but making that command do region stuff doesn't
> > really give anything except muddling up the command semantics.
>=20
> The above suggestion is just an alternative way to do the same.
>=20
> BTW, what do you think about the already suggested leaving point
> at the end of duplicated lines? This means removing save-excursion
> and adding backward-char to the end of `duplicate-line' to move point
> before the last newline.
IMO, it's fine to add any commands you like,
whatever their general use(ful|less)ness.
But please don't succumb to giving them key
bindings just because some new contributor
requested them. Even if you feel you want
to encourage new participants, that's not
appropriate. (My impression is that this is
in fact sometimes a thing with Emacs dev.)
Emacs has gotten along quite well for a very
long time without feeling the crying need
for a `duplicate-line', a `copy-line' or a
`mark-line' command. Maybe ask yourself why.
Just imagine that some such request doesn't
come from a new contributor - treat it as
you would from a longtime participant.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46621; Package emacs.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > BTW, what do you think about the already suggested leaving point > at the end of duplicated lines? This means removing save-excursion > and adding backward-char to the end of `duplicate-line' to mov [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN>, Simen =?utf-8?Q?Heggest=C3=B8yl?= <simenheg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > BTW, what do you think about the already suggested leaving point > at the end of duplicated lines? This means removing save-excursion > and adding backward-char to the end of `duplicate-line' to move point > before the last newline. It was also suggested to leave point at the start of the duplicated lines. I think that makes more sense -- the use case here is to copy lines so that you can start altering them, after all. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Content preview: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes: > There does
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behaviour. The benefit of adding the region sensitive behaviour seems even
slighter, and the problem is, as I said, that it subverts the (currently)
clear semantics the new command has.
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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
> There does not seem to be any significant benefit from omitting the
> region-sensitive behaviour.
The benefit of adding the region sensitive behaviour seems even
slighter, and the problem is, as I said, that it subverts the
(currently) clear semantics the new command has.
For instance, if you mark one and a half line, and say `C-u 5 M-x
duplicate-line', you'll get something that nobody wants -- ever. There
might be some utility if the region version also worked on lines -- that
is, it inserts that it only inserts new complete lines.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > This would also mean that the problem is a missing command that > saves the current line to the kill-ring? If such a command existed, > then duplicating the line would take two keys as well: the fir [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Mattias =?utf-8?Q?Engdeg=C3=A5rd?= <mattiase@HIDDEN>, Simen =?utf-8?Q?Heggest=C3=B8yl?= <simenheg@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > This would also mean that the problem is a missing command that > saves the current line to the kill-ring? If such a command existed, > then duplicating the line would take two keys as well: the first > key to save the current line to the kill-ring, and the second key > to yank it. A command to save the current line to the kill ring might be nice (if it settles on some definition of "line"), but it doesn't really offer the convenience. To insert a copy of a region: `M-w C-y'. To insert a copy of the current line with such a command: `NEW-COMMAND C-n' (see if you landed on the next line or whether that took you to the end of the buffer) `RET'/`C-a' `C-y'. I.e., `duplicate-line' offers both a practical and mental simplification over what we have today, but making that command do region stuff doesn't really give anything except muddling up the command semantics. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
>> It's edgy compared to what it's supposed to be doing -- duplicating
>> lines.
>
> Well, now it does more. Do you mean that you prefer it wouldn't, or
> that we change the name?
> I have no strong opinion about the name but it would be a shame to
> make the command less useful.
I found the concept of "an easy command to duplicate the current line a
number of times" to be slightly useful in general, but I'm not sure
about whether extending it to regions makes much sense. If you have a
region already, then `M-w C-y' will be more convenient to say, anyway.
--=20
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46621; Package emacs.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: 19 juni 2022 kl. 17.22 skrev Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>: > No, it's consistent -- it always creates a new line. Either behaviour can be seen as consistent. I suppose it's a matter of what behaviour we find more convenient. It's expected to be a rare case and I have no strong opinion about it. 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Either behaviour can be seen as consistent. I suppose it's a matter of = what behaviour we find more convenient. It's expected to be a rare case and I have no strong opinion about it. > It's edgy compared to what it's supposed to be doing -- duplicating > lines. Well, now it does more. Do you mean that you prefer it wouldn't, or that = we change the name? I have no strong opinion about the name but it would be a shame to make = the command less useful. 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Content preview: Mattias Engdegård <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes: > Actually shouldn't
duplicating such a line add a newline + a copy of > the current line with
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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
> Actually shouldn't duplicating such a line add a newline + a copy of
> the current line with no terminal newline? Right now the copy is
> always newline-terminated even if the original wasn't, which seems a
> bit inconsistent. What do you think?
No, it's consistent -- it always creates a new line.
>> When dealing with regions, it's not quite
>> clear what the semantics should be in those corner cases (i.e., regions
>> that doesn't end with a newline)...
>
> Not much of a edge case, is it? If you select "bon" and duplicate you
> end up with "bonbon", as promised.
It's edgy compared to what it's supposed to be doing -- duplicating
lines.
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Actually shouldn't duplicating such a line add a newline + a copy of the = current line with no terminal newline? Right now the copy is always = newline-terminated even if the original wasn't, which seems a bit = inconsistent. What do you think? > When dealing with regions, it's not quite > clear what the semantics should be in those corner cases (i.e., = regions > that doesn't end with a newline)... Not much of a edge case, is it? If you select "bon" and duplicate you = end up with "bonbon", as promised. Region-sensitive commands are useful since they multiplex functionality = on the same keys without added cognitive load. (It's high time we = rebound M-u to upcase-dwim etc.)
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18 juni 2022 kl. 20.09 skrev Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN>:
> There's no need to include "or region" in the command's name and doc
> string's first line.
Changed.
> Passive tense alert!
> Another one!
Both changed.
Thanks for the comments!
The attached patch now handles rectangle duplication better. =
(Rectangular regions are nice to use but can be surprisingly unpleasant =
to program with.)
That code was moved to rect.el where it probably belongs.
There will be tests as well.
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diff --git a/lisp/misc.el b/lisp/misc.el
index 3fb30e5372..8a1dd76847 100644
--- a/lisp/misc.el
+++ b/lisp/misc.el
@@ -63,19 +63,51 @@ copy-from-above-command
(+ n (point)))))))
(insert string)))
+(declare-function rectangle--duplicate-right "rect" (n))
+
+;; `duplicate-line' preserves an active region and changes the buffer
+;; outside of it: disregard the region when undoing the actions of
+;; this command or the undo wouldn't work properly.
+(put 'duplicate-line 'undo-inhibit-region t)
+
;;;###autoload
(defun duplicate-line (&optional n)
"Duplicate the current line N times.
+If the region is inactive, duplicate the current line.
+Otherwise, duplicate the region's contents. The region remains
+active afterwards.
+If the region is rectangular, duplicate on its right-hand side.
Interactively, N is the prefix numeric argument, and defaults to 1.
Also see the `copy-from-above-command' command."
(interactive "p")
- (let ((line (buffer-substring (line-beginning-position) (line-end-position))))
- (save-excursion
- (forward-line 1)
- (unless (bolp)
- (insert "\n"))
- (dotimes (_ n)
- (insert line "\n")))))
+ (cond
+ ;; Duplicate rectangle.
+ ((bound-and-true-p rectangle-mark-mode)
+ (require 'rect)
+ (rectangle--duplicate-right n)
+ (setq deactivate-mark nil))
+
+ ;; Duplicate (contiguous) region.
+ ((use-region-p)
+ (let* ((beg (region-beginning))
+ (end (region-end))
+ (text (buffer-substring beg end)))
+ (save-excursion
+ (goto-char end)
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert text))))
+ (setq deactivate-mark nil))
+
+ ;; Duplicate line.
+ (t
+ (let ((line (buffer-substring (line-beginning-position)
+ (line-end-position))))
+ (save-excursion
+ (forward-line 1)
+ (unless (bolp)
+ (insert "\n"))
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert line "\n")))))))
;; Variation of `zap-to-char'.
diff --git a/lisp/rect.el b/lisp/rect.el
index e717d2ac7e..3e29868b24 100644
--- a/lisp/rect.el
+++ b/lisp/rect.el
@@ -931,6 +931,30 @@ rectangle--unhighlight-for-redisplay
(mapc #'delete-overlay (nthcdr 5 rol))
(setcar (cdr rol) nil)))
+(defun rectangle--duplicate-right (n)
+ "Duplicate the rectangular region N times on the right-hand side."
+ (let ((cols (rectangle--pos-cols (point) (mark))))
+ (apply-on-rectangle
+ (lambda (startcol endcol)
+ (let ((lines (list nil)))
+ (extract-rectangle-line startcol endcol lines)
+ (move-to-column endcol t)
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert (cadr lines)))))
+ (region-beginning) (region-end))
+ ;; Recompute the rectangle state since the crutches might be outdated.
+ (let ((p (point))
+ (m (mark)))
+ (rectangle--reset-crutches)
+ (goto-char m)
+ (move-to-column (cdr cols) t)
+ ;(rectangle--col-pos (cdr cols) 'mark)
+ (set-mark (point))
+ (goto-char p)
+ (move-to-column (car cols) t)
+ ;(rectangle--col-pos (car cols) 'point)
+ )))
+
(provide 'rect)
;;; rect.el ends here
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Mattias Engdeg=C3=A5rd <mattiase@HIDDEN> writes:
>> I've now added this command to Emacs 29 as `duplicate-line'.=20
>
> Thank you! There was quite some discussion about generalising the
> concept last time it came up for discussion, and making it work on the
> region when active was found to be very useful. It comes quite
> naturally in use, much like upcase-dwim etc.
>
> The attached patch does that. For extra convenience, when the active
> region is rectangular it is duplicated to the right, since that is
> what is usually most convenient.
Simen proposed something quite similar (added to the CCs), and my only
objection was that the semantics of the simpler command is quite
clear -- it always creates a new line, even if we're at a final line in
a buffer without a newline. When dealing with regions, it's not quite
clear what the semantics should be in those corner cases (i.e., regions
that doesn't end with a newline)...
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> I've now added this command to Emacs 29 as `duplicate-line'.=20
Thank you! There was quite some discussion about generalising the =
concept last time it came up for discussion, and making it work on the =
region when active was found to be very useful. It comes quite naturally =
in use, much like upcase-dwim etc.
The attached patch does that. For extra convenience, when the active =
region is rectangular it is duplicated to the right, since that is what =
is usually most convenient.
There's a few subtleties here: the code takes care to preserve the =
region because the user may want to press the key again for another =
copy. (This means that we need to use undo-inhibit-region for undo to =
work properly.)
Do you feel audacious enough for a standard key binding?
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diff --git a/lisp/misc.el b/lisp/misc.el
index 3fb30e5372..d5db0a35ae 100644
--- a/lisp/misc.el
+++ b/lisp/misc.el
@@ -63,19 +63,51 @@ copy-from-above-command
(+ n (point)))))))
(insert string)))
+(declare-function extract-rectangle-line "rect" (startcol endcol lines))
+(declare-function apply-on-rectangle "rect" (function start end &rest args))
+
+(put 'duplicate-line-or-region 'undo-inhibit-region t)
+
;;;###autoload
-(defun duplicate-line (&optional n)
- "Duplicate the current line N times.
+(defun duplicate-line-or-region (&optional n)
+ "Duplicate the current line or region N times.
+If the region is inactive, the current line is duplicated.
+Otherwise, duplicate the region's contents. The region remains
+active afterwards.
+If the region is rectangular, duplication is made on its right-hand side.
Interactively, N is the prefix numeric argument, and defaults to 1.
Also see the `copy-from-above-command' command."
(interactive "p")
- (let ((line (buffer-substring (line-beginning-position) (line-end-position))))
- (save-excursion
- (forward-line 1)
- (unless (bolp)
- (insert "\n"))
- (dotimes (_ n)
- (insert line "\n")))))
+ (cond
+ ((bound-and-true-p rectangle-mark-mode)
+ (require 'rect)
+ (apply-on-rectangle
+ (lambda (startcol endcol)
+ (let ((lines (list nil)))
+ (extract-rectangle-line startcol endcol lines)
+ (move-to-column endcol t)
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert (cadr lines)))))
+ (region-beginning) (region-end))
+ (setq deactivate-mark nil))
+ ((use-region-p)
+ (let* ((beg (region-beginning))
+ (end (region-end))
+ (text (buffer-substring beg end)))
+ (save-excursion
+ (goto-char end)
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert text))))
+ (setq deactivate-mark nil))
+ (t
+ (let ((line (buffer-substring (line-beginning-position)
+ (line-end-position))))
+ (save-excursion
+ (forward-line 1)
+ (unless (bolp)
+ (insert "\n"))
+ (dotimes (_ n)
+ (insert line "\n")))))))
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Simen Heggest=C3=B8yl <simenheg@HIDDEN> writes:
>> I've now added this command to Emacs 29 as `duplicate-line'.
>
> Cool! I've had a similar command defined locally since 2015 (which I've
> found so useful over time that I've given it a short global keybinding).
>
> I have some suggestions that I think make the command even more useful:
>
> - Making it more DWIM'y by having it duplicate the region instead when
> it's active (perhaps giving it a more general name like
> `duplicate-thing`, `duplicate-dwim`, or maybe just `duplicate`).
That makes sense, but there are some edge conditions here that the
current implementation avoids by using a "line" definition. That is, if
we're at the final line in the buffer, and there's no newline at the
end, `duplicate-line' will add one. That is, it's really line oriented,
and not region oriented, and making it do regions, too, would possibly
make it more confusing.
Unless we ensure a newline at the end of all the regions we paste in.
> - Having point end up at the duplicated line instead of the original
> one, since that's the line you usually want to edit (in my
> experience).
Yes, that's true.
> - With a prefix argument, comment out the original line/region after
> duplicating it. This is perhaps a bit too specialized to be useful in
> general compared to the other two suggestions, though I've found it
> very useful personally.
I think that sounds a bit too specialised.=20
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> I've now added this command to Emacs 29 as `duplicate-line'.
Cool! I've had a similar command defined locally since 2015 (which I've
found so useful over time that I've given it a short global keybinding).
I have some suggestions that I think make the command even more useful:
- Making it more DWIM'y by having it duplicate the region instead when
it's active (perhaps giving it a more general name like
`duplicate-thing`, `duplicate-dwim`, or maybe just `duplicate`).
- Having point end up at the duplicated line instead of the original
one, since that's the line you usually want to edit (in my
experience).
- With a prefix argument, comment out the original line/region after
duplicating it. This is perhaps a bit too specialized to be useful in
general compared to the other two suggestions, though I've found it
very useful personally.
Happy to help if any of these sound eligible for inclusion.
Here's my local definition for reference:
(defun duplicate (arg)
"Duplicate the current line, or region if active.
When called with a prefix argument the current line or region is
commented out before it's copied."
(interactive "P")
(setq arg (or arg 1))
(let ((beg (if (region-active-p)
(region-beginning)
(line-beginning-position)))
(end (if (region-active-p)
(region-end)
(line-end-position)))
(point (point)))
(goto-char end)
(let ((to-duplicate (buffer-substring beg end)))
(when (listp arg)
(comment-region beg end)
(setq arg 1))
(dotimes (_ arg)
(end-of-line)
(newline)
(insert to-duplicate)))
(backward-char (- end point))))
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I therefore urge people who > think they know these details to please speak up and contribute to > this discussion. I frequently use the following command (bound to `C-c l'), which suits my needs better than the proposed command would or dabbrev-expand does: (defun srb-select-line () "Select line at point and copy to kill ring." (interactive) (copy-region-as-kill (line-beginning-position) (line-end-position))) A common use case for me is copying somewhat complex shell commands I keep stored in a file; they are stored as one liners to be easy to copy. I don't want them to be immediately yanked into the file and for these cases I don't need the feature of multiple copies via a prefix argument (though in some documents I often do want multiple copies of a single line, but usually at different parts of the document, so then just yanking at the different locations is better than moving the copies). Steve Berman
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"-command"? Maybe it would help to add a more discoverable alias?
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 19:41:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 14:41:20 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57595 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lEH56-0006bq-4n for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:41:20 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:51076) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEH54-0006bj-Q5 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:41:19 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58404) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEH52-00031m-UI for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:41:18 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:54416) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEH50-0002AH-PJ for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:41:15 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEH4x-000AWA-6t for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 20:41:11 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Howard Melman <hmelman@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 14:41:05 -0500 Message-ID: <ly8s7fevqm.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83eeh8w1jz.fsf@HIDDEN> <m21rd8kqx4.fsf@HIDDEN> <87wnv09gza.fsf@HIDDEN> <m2k0r0j6lo.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) Cancel-Lock: sha1:Ct1SotcSOOK5V135UPXdVv2KVpo= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 0.1 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) >> But you don't need the repeat count for that. copy-from-above-command >> will work well for this task. > > I didn't know about this. But if I place point between LogLevel and > INFO and then execute M-x copy-from-above-command then the result is > > #LogLevelcility AUTH INFO > > which is not what is needed in this situation. I never knew about copy-from-above-command either. It's not bound to any keys. It's not in the emacs manual. I think it's also named incorrectly. In emacs terminology it's not copying the text (like to the kill-ring) but inserting or yanking it into the buffer (just not from the kill-ring but from the previous line). It seems closer in concept to how dabbrev and hippie use the term "expand". -- Howard
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[195.254.231.184]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id y12sm17814433wrm.33.2021.02.22.10.42.23 (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_256_GCM_SHA384 bits=256/256); Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:42:24 -0800 (PST) From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83eeh8w1jz.fsf@HIDDEN> <m21rd8kqx4.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnv0uj12.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:42:23 +0100 In-Reply-To: <83wnv0uj12.fsf@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2021 19:08:57 +0200") Message-ID: <m27dn0j65s.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) On Mon, Feb 22 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >> One example where copy-line would be useful is editing configuration >> files. E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config list many options with the default >> value but as comments, like so: >> >> #SyslogFacility AUTH >> #LogLevel INFO >> ... other options ... >> >> Now, if I want to change LogLevel to say DEBUG, I would copy the line, >> keep the original, and edit the copied line. > > I already mentioned M-/ as the alternative. In the above case, type > "#L M-/", and Emacs will complete to "#LogLevel". IOW, if these cases > are considered as "repeat a previous word" rather than "copy a > previous line, then edit it", the solution already exists. I suspect > that people who are looking for this command simply don't know about > M-/ in Emacs, because IME it's still quite a unique feature. I certainly know about M-/, but in this situation it's pretty far down the list of alternatives I would consider. Killing the whole line and inserting it two times is what I usually end up doing. Admittedly, I do have my own copy-line command and it's bound to C-x-,. But I often forget the key binding. Helmut
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>> My 2 cents: a typical case where this could be useful is:
>>
>> switch (foobar)=C2=A0{
>> case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_b: printf ("b"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_c: printf ("c"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_d: printf ("d"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_e: printf ("e"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_f: printf ("f"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_g: printf ("g"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_h: printf ("h"); break;
>> case long_enum_value_name_i: printf ("i"); break;
>> default: printf ("?"); break;
>> }
>
> Here's how I'd type this:
>
> case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break;
> c M-/ DEL b : p M-/ ("b"); b M-/
> c M-/ DEL c : p M-/ ("c"); b M-/
> c M-/ M-/ DEL d : p M-/ ("d"); b M-/
>
> etc. (And if the series are indeed longer than a couple of lines, a=20
> rare case indeed, then a keyboard macro is in order.)
>
Yes, that's one way to do it, perhaps the most "emacsish" way to do it.=20
But it takes more keystrokes than what you write:
case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break; RET
c M-/ SPC l M-/ DEL DEL b : SPC p M-/ SPC ("b"); b M-/ ; RET
c M-/ SPC l M-/ DEL DEL c : SPC p M-/ SPC ("c"); b M-/ ; RET
=2E..
And yes, keyboard macros can also be used.
That doesn't mean that the proposed feature wouldn't be useful; I'd say=20
it's more intuitive:
case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break; RET
C-u 8 C-x r z
C-s a : RET
C-b C-b C-d b
C-n C-b C-d c
C-n C-b C-d d
=2E..
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> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:04:02 +0000
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> My 2 cents: a typical case where this could be useful is:
>
> switch (foobar)Â {
> case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_b: printf ("b"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_c: printf ("c"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_d: printf ("d"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_e: printf ("e"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_f: printf ("f"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_g: printf ("g"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_h: printf ("h"); break;
> case long_enum_value_name_i: printf ("i"); break;
> default: printf ("?"); break;
> }
Here's how I'd type this:
case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break;
c M-/ DEL b : p M-/ ("b"); b M-/
c M-/ DEL c : p M-/ ("c"); b M-/
c M-/ M-/ DEL d : p M-/ ("d"); b M-/
etc. (And if the series are indeed longer than a couple of lines, a
rare case indeed, then a keyboard macro is in order.)
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From: Gregory Heytings <gregory@HIDDEN>
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> Bottom line, if we want to consider this command, we should somehow come=
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> up with the relevant use cases, and then weigh them against the added=20
> complexity and maintenance costs. I therefore urge people who think=20
> they know these details to please speak up and contribute to this=20
> discussion.
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My 2 cents: a typical case where this could be useful is:
switch (foobar)=C2=A0{
case long_enum_value_name_a: printf ("a"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_b: printf ("b"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_c: printf ("c"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_d: printf ("d"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_e: printf ("e"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_f: printf ("f"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_g: printf ("g"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_h: printf ("h"); break;
case long_enum_value_name_i: printf ("i"); break;
default: printf ("?"); break;
}
Another typical case:
import java.util.Set;
import java.util.TreeSet;
import java.util.HashSet;
import java.util.LinkedHashSet;
I agree with Richard that this can be done with C-a C-k C-k C-y..., which=
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is what I've been using in such cases, but that doesn't mean that the=20
proposed command wouldn't be welcome. I agree with Juri that Richard's=20
solution "pollutes" the kill-ring with something that the user actually=20
did not want to kill. I would suggest the following (based on Juri's=20
code):
(defun duplicate-line (&optional arg)
(interactive "p")
(save-mark-and-excursion
(dotimes (_ arg)
(forward-line 1)
(insert "\n")
(forward-line -1)
(copy-from-above-command))))
(global-set-key (kbd "C-x r z") 'duplicate-line)
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 16:58:58 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 11:58:58 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57404 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lEEXx-0002ef-Pm for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:58:57 -0500 Received: from mail-out.m-online.net ([212.18.0.9]:41502) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <whitebox@HIDDEN>) id 1lEEXt-0002eS-II for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:58:57 -0500 Received: from frontend01.mail.m-online.net (unknown [192.168.8.182]) by mail-out.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DkpL31Mgxz1qsbb; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:50 +0100 (CET) Received: from localhost (dynscan1.mnet-online.de [192.168.6.70]) by mail.m-online.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4DkpL26kBtz1qqkQ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:50 +0100 (CET) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mnet-online.de Received: from mail.mnet-online.de ([192.168.8.182]) by localhost (dynscan1.mail.m-online.net [192.168.6.70]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id I-h_cTJ3j6Jp; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:50 +0100 (CET) X-Auth-Info: yvzgD5rbKAYZ2tZJrpTl2pbrpHrX/3Uv38AByX2qM2iUldOF8cxJjW/gJZXZKBmD Received: from igel.home (ppp-46-244-167-177.dynamic.mnet-online.de [46.244.167.177]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-GCM-SHA384 (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mail.mnet-online.de (Postfix) with ESMTPSA; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:50 +0100 (CET) Received: by igel.home (Postfix, from userid 1000) id A3A8C2C372D; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:49 +0100 (CET) From: Andreas Schwab <schwab@HIDDEN> To: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83eeh8w1jz.fsf@HIDDEN> <m21rd8kqx4.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Yow: ...Just enough time to do my LIBERACE impression... Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:58:49 +0100 In-Reply-To: <m21rd8kqx4.fsf@HIDDEN> (Helmut Eller's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:28:39 +0100") Message-ID: <87wnv09gza.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1.91 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.4 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.4 (-) On Feb 22 2021, Helmut Eller wrote: > On Mon, Feb 22 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > >> More importantly, I see no description of the situations where such a >> copy is needed, so it is hard to analyze reason about the necessity. > > One example where copy-line would be useful is editing configuration > files. E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config list many options with the default > value but as comments, like so: > > #SyslogFacility AUTH > #LogLevel INFO > ... other options ... > > Now, if I want to change LogLevel to say DEBUG, I would copy the line, > keep the original, and edit the copied line. But you don't need the repeat count for that. copy-from-above-command will work well for this task. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, schwab@HIDDEN GPG Key fingerprint = 7578 EB47 D4E5 4D69 2510 2552 DF73 E780 A9DA AEC1 "And now for something completely different."
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 16:29:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 11:29:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57358 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lEE5A-0001ut-0L for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:29:12 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:39008) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEE4u-0001uC-7t for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:29:09 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:58354) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEE4t-00049N-5j for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:28:56 -0500 Received: from ciao.gmane.io ([116.202.254.214]:54698) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEE4r-00057E-Pc for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:28:54 -0500 Received: from list by ciao.gmane.io with local (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN>) id 1lEE4p-0009o0-Ll for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:28:51 +0100 X-Injected-Via-Gmane: http://gmane.org/ To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN From: Helmut Eller <eller.helmut@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:28:39 +0100 Message-ID: <m21rd8kqx4.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> <83eeh8w1jz.fsf@HIDDEN> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) Cancel-Lock: sha1:+pV6/2aAG+GOVUrFUqZVL54Akrs= Received-SPF: pass client-ip=116.202.254.214; envelope-from=geb-bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; helo=ciao.gmane.io X-Spam_score_int: 5 X-Spam_score: 0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.001, FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD=1, FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN=0.249, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS=0.25, NML_ADSP_CUSTOM_MED=0.9, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: 2.4 (++) X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "debbugs.gnu.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, Feb 22 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > More importantly, I see no description of the situations where such a > copy is needed, so it is hard to analyze reason about the necessity. One example where copy-line would be useful is editing configuration files. E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config list many options with the default value but as comments, like so: Content analysis details: (2.4 points, 10.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3 RBL: Good reputation (+3) [209.51.188.17 listed in wl.mailspike.net] 0.2 HEADER_FROM_DIFFERENT_DOMAINS From and EnvelopeFrom 2nd level mail domains are different 0.9 SPF_FAIL SPF: sender does not match SPF record (fail) [SPF failed: Please see http://www.openspf.org/Why?s=mfrom; id=geb-bug-gnu-emacs%40m.gmane-mx.org; ip=209.51.188.17; r=debbugs.gnu.org] 0.0 FREEMAIL_FROM Sender email is commonly abused enduser mail provider (eller.helmut[at]gmail.com) 1.0 FORGED_GMAIL_RCVD 'From' gmail.com does not match 'Received' headers 0.0 T_SPF_HELO_TEMPERROR SPF: test of HELO record failed (temperror) 0.0 RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL Mailspike good senders 0.2 FREEMAIL_FORGED_FROMDOMAIN 2nd level domains in From and EnvelopeFrom freemail headers are different X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.9 (/) On Mon, Feb 22 2021, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > More importantly, I see no description of the situations where such a > copy is needed, so it is hard to analyze reason about the necessity. One example where copy-line would be useful is editing configuration files. E.g. /etc/ssh/sshd_config list many options with the default value but as comments, like so: #SyslogFacility AUTH #LogLevel INFO ... other options ... Now, if I want to change LogLevel to say DEBUG, I would copy the line, keep the original, and edit the copied line. Not hard to do in Emacs, but somehow the vi way of doing this feels more efficient. Helmut
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 15:45:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 10:45:52 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57244 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lEDPE-0000iZ-IX for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:45:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:53556) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDPC-0000iJ-Ps for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:45:51 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56731) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDP2-0007MI-2Q; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:45:42 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2423 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDOq-0006r0-BZ; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:45:30 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:45:18 +0200 Message-Id: <83czwsw1gx.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87zgzxi33r.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:37:28 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> <87zgzxi33r.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: 0.5 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.5 (/) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Cc: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, > 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:37:28 +0200 > > > Also, let's not forget that Emacs has keyboard macros, and those can > > be run with a repeat count. > > This is how long it takes with keyboard macros: > > C-a C-k C-k C-x ( C-y C-x ) C-10 C-x e But that's a one-time investment. Thereafter one can bind this to a key and save it to the init file. So counting the keystrokes required for defining the macro is not unlike counting keystrokes required for coding the function you propose.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 15:43:59 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 10:43:59 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:57240 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lEDNP-0000eo-3B for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:43:59 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:52966) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDNN-0000eY-8F for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:43:57 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:56682) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDNH-0006UA-Ok; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:43:51 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2308 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lEDN6-0006g5-0C; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 10:43:40 -0500 Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 17:43:28 +0200 Message-Id: <83eeh8w1jz.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:07:58 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:07:58 +0200 > Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN > > > > It's not realistic to change the meaning of the numeric arg to C-y. > > > People already use the current meaning for decades. > > > > We could inquire of the users to see what they think about the issue. > > Every once in a while the lack of such fundamental command sparks very > long discussions how to reinvent the wheel. Some recent examples: Thanks for the links. However, I don't think they add anything substantial to this discussion. For starters, many posters there just wanted to know how many keystrokes it takes in Emacs to copy a line, and some even said they wanted to compare the result with Vim. They don't necessarily ask for a command or a single short key sequence to do that, at least not in every post. More importantly, I see no description of the situations where such a copy is needed, so it is hard to analyze reason about the necessity. For example, perhaps some of the posters wanted this because they are unaware of some existing Emacs features which can do the job efficiently enough. This is why I asked here to describe the use cases, i.e. the situations where such a command would be needed. I didn't get any answers to that, AFAIR. Just one person posted his experiences. Without knowing what situations necessitate such a command, I don't see how we will be able to reason whether the needs justify adding the command. And reason we must, because we cannot possibly implement feature after feature just because someone asks about it on stackexchange. > The proposed tiny 8-line patch was intended to help people avoid > wasting their time on such trivial things. Yes, this command is relatively small. But we must have some criteria for adding new commands and features, because otherwise we will add 8 lines, then another 10 lines, then 5 more, etc. etc. These things add up, and that's even before you consider the supporting docs and other consequences. Bottom line, if we want to consider this command, we should somehow come up with the relevant use cases, and then weigh them against the added complexity and maintenance costs. I therefore urge people who think they know these details to please speak up and contribute to this discussion.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46621; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 09:41:19 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 04:41:19 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55663 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lE7iR-0005wY-95 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 04:41:19 -0500 Received: from relay5-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.197]:41059) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1lE7iP-0005wK-Cc for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 04:41:18 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.96.116 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-96-116.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.116]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay5-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 96BB41C001A; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 09:41:09 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 11:07:58 +0200 In-Reply-To: <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:03 -0500") Message-ID: <87sg5o8nk9.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > It's not realistic to change the meaning of the numeric arg to C-y. > > People already use the current meaning for decades. > > We could inquire of the users to see what they think about the issue. Every once in a while the lack of such fundamental command sparks very long discussions how to reinvent the wheel. Some recent examples: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/88399/how-do-i-duplicate-a-whole-line-in-emacs https://stackoverflow.com/questions/88399/how-do-i-duplicate-a-whole-line-in-emacs?page=2 https://stackoverflow.com/questions/27129147/efficent-way-to-copy-and-paste-a-line https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12132601/duplicating-the-current-line https://emacs.stackexchange.com/questions/22705/quickly-duplicate-line-and-increase-number-for-lots-of-lines https://old.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/lkyadp/weekly_tipstricketc_thread/gnnniq3/ https://old.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jvpccf/weekly_tipstricketc_thread/gcr8h68/ https://old.reddit.com/r/emacs/comments/jwhr6g/batteries_included_with_emacs/gcqdmp9/ with questions like from the last: Why does emacs doesn't have a built-in ergonomic way to duplicate a line? Genuinely curious, seems like something fundamental. Guess it is one of the reasons evil-mode has rise so much. Any new comer will feel disgusted by having to do C-a C-space C-e M-w and more keystrokes to place it The proposed tiny 8-line patch was intended to help people avoid wasting their time on such trivial things.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46621; Package emacs.
Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 22 Feb 2021 06:23:12 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Feb 22 01:23:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55407 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lE4ci-0007FH-0k for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:12 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:60290) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lE4cg-0007F3-7f for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:10 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:48425) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lE4ca-000812-PP; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:04 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH; Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:04 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:54:24 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1lE4cZ-0006uo-SH@HIDDEN> Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 01:23:03 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > > Once in a while I want to do that. It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, > > they C-y as many times as needed. > Let's compare these two solutions. Trying to copy 10 lines: > C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y > and adds an unrequested entry to the kill ring > that the user needs to remove from the kill ring later. With my proposd change to C-y, it would be C-a C-k C-k C-u 12 C-y and it would not require the user to make a new key binding. Changing the contents of the kill ring is not a drawback. It is the normal way you move text around in Emacs. > It's not realistic to change the meaning of the numeric arg to C-y. > People already use the current meaning for decades. We could inquire of the users to see what they think about the issue. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes:
>> Once in a while I want to do that. It is easy: C-a C-k C-k,
>> they C-y as many times as needed.
I do this occasionally. Usually it's in something like
markdown-mode. Typically I'm creating lists and want to
write out a bunch of formatting characters before going back
and filling in text. So I might want 10-12 lines like:
- [ ]
which is a markdown list item with a checkbox, before going
back and filing in text without having to type odd
punctuation characters. Sometimes I might put a date string
in there too or some other prefix string.
It's emacs I can do this many different ways. I might do
the C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y ... dance. Typically I'll make 4
lines then kill those 4 lines and yank them 3 times. I
might just type my text and then go back and use
string-rectangle to insert the markup. If it were more
involved I might use a macro.
If there were a duplicate-line command that took an arg to
duplicate it arg times I'd probably start using that. I
probably wouldn't bother to write it myself (I haven't in
30+ years).
>> Instead of a command to duplicate the current line repeatedly,
>> how about a command to yank the current kill repeatedly?
>> That would be useful in a much broader range of situations.
>>
>> I wonder if the current meaning of the numeric argument to C-y (reach
>> back in the kill ring) is actually useful. Would it be better for
>> it to repeat the yank in this way?
>
> It's not realistic to change the meaning of the numeric arg to C-y.
> People already use the current meaning for decades.
Actually, I'd like that and this is a place where I think
completion systems influence that decision.
I don't use an arg to C-y. If I want something from the
kill-ring that isn't the last thing, I'll C-y and then M-y
until I get it. I'm not remembering I want the 3rd to last
thing I killed and if I'm off by one I think it's a pain to
fix. I might do that if I were writing a complex keyboard
macro and concentrating for it but I'd probably use
registers instead.
But in particular with modern completion systems I'd
definitely like this change to yank's arg. While I do C-y
M-y for simple stuff, if I want something I've yanked from
longer ago, instead I'll use something like consult-yank or
counsel-yank. These use the kill-region as completion
candidates and show the candidates, one per line, in the
minibuffer with all the completion tools available (most
have options to cope with multi-line text). I bind it to
M-y globally so if I want to yank something old I skip C-y
entirely and just type M-y and then might use completion and
narrowing if I don't see it near the top of the list. As a
result, the current arg to C-y is useless to me because
completion offers a much better experience.
--
Howard
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In the Elisp manual, `i key bind TAB': key binding key binding, conventions for Or `i conven TAB': (with substring matching): buffer display conventions coding conventions in Emacs Lisp=20 comments, Lisp convention for conventions for writing major modes=20 conventions for writing minor modes documentation conventions=20 documentation strings, conventions and tips key binding, conventions for=20 major mode conventions minor mode conventions=20 programming conventions set-advertised-calling-convention=20 typographic conventions (Yet another advertisement for completion candidates as an aid to discovery.) Candidate `key binding, conventions for' takes you to node `Key Binding Conventions', where you find this, among other conventions: Don't define 'C-c LETTER' as a key in Lisp programs. Sequences consisting of 'C-c' and a letter (either upper or lower case) are reserved for users; they are the *only* sequences reserved for users, so do not block them.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 21:13:56 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 16:13:56 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:55064 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDw3A-0000Ya-IT for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:13:56 -0500 Received: from relay8-d.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.183.201]:51477) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1lDw35-0000YD-Ix for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:13:54 -0500 X-Originating-IP: 91.129.96.116 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-96-116.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.116]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay8-d.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id DEE451BF204; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 21:13:42 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 22:37:28 +0200 In-Reply-To: <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> (Eli Zaretskii's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:41:47 +0200") Message-ID: <87zgzxi33r.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> > Once in a while I want to do that. It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, >> > they C-y as many times as needed. >> >> Let's compare these two solutions. Trying to copy 10 lines: >> >> C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y >> >> and adds an unrequested entry to the kill ring >> that the user needs to remove from the kill ring later. >> >> When bound to a short key, it's just >> >> C-12 C-c c >> >> and doesn't change the contents of the kill ring. > > What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 > times, and is it frequent enough Yes, it is frequently used, as these Q&A sites indicate. > to justify binding the command to a key, and to C-c key on top > of that? ISTR, 'C-c letter' keys are reserved for users, so users can bind the command to 'C-c c' or any other short key. But I can't prove if such convention of 'C-c letter' for user keys really exists, I can't find it in the manual. Or it could be bound to some short key sequence by default. Even without a keybinding the key sequence is very short: M-10 M-x dup RET > Also, let's not forget that Emacs has keyboard macros, and those can > be run with a repeat count. This is how long it takes with keyboard macros: C-a C-k C-k C-x ( C-y C-x ) C-10 C-x e
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Doesn't hurt; anyone can make use of it. Not a big deal. > we can add that later if it turns out that this > is the break-out most-popular new command in Emacs 28. I'd hope that we'd hold off for quite a while, and real, popular acclaim. It's trivial for users to bind a command. And users will let Emacs know if they really, really want a default binding for some command. Be conservative handing out keys by default.
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Not necessarily. Which users? Sometimes newbies to Emacs are looking for what they're used to in some other editor, and not seeing that in Emacs they think "missing feature". And answers on emacs.SE often set newbies straight in this regard, saying "this is how you use Emacs to do what you want". The first response by us shouldn't be a knee-jerk reaction to add what someone says is missing. We should first check what people who use Emacs do, i.e., see if what seems to be missing really represents a problem to be fixed.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46621; Package emacs.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 17:06:50 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 12:06:50 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:54711 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDsC1-0000ox-QV for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:06:50 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:41798) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDsBz-0000oj-CI for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:06:48 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:37777) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDsBt-0003Wj-R8; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:06:41 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2344 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDsBe-0002fU-G8; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:06:27 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:06:14 +0200 Message-Id: <83czwtxse1.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <8735xpju61.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:51:34 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> <87czwtlg3w.fsf@HIDDEN> <ACDF8189-C752-40AF-969B-70DD11D004E6@HIDDEN> <8735xpju61.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN, rms@HIDDEN, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, > 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 16:51:34 +0100 > > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > > > They asked about making a dozen copies of a line? > > I don't think anybody asked for a dozen copies in particular. Then why did Juri decide to countermand Richard's arguments by a strawman? > I think we should add the command, but I'm not convinced it deserves a > default key binding -- we can add that later if it turns out that this > is the break-out most-popular new command in Emacs 28. Richard's arguments still stand, and I'd prefer to seriously consider rather than dismiss them.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > They asked about making a dozen copies of a line? I don't think anybody asked for a dozen copies in particular. Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > They asked about making a dozen copies of a line? I don't think anybody asked for a dozen copies in particular. I think we should add the command, but I'm not convinced it deserves a default key binding -- we can add that later if it turns out that this is the break-out most-popular new command in Emacs 28. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 13:19:55 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 08:19:55 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53689 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDoeR-0002nf-6U for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:19:55 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:59080) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDoeN-0002nQ-PQ for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:19:53 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:34279) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDoeH-0003wn-NV; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:19:45 -0500 Received: from [2a02:14f:1fd:b59e::1116:7df2] (port=53034) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDodz-0005cf-0m; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:19:28 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 15:19:24 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87czwtlg3w.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> <87czwtlg3w.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <ACDF8189-C752-40AF-969B-70DD11D004E6@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On February 21, 2021 3:12:19 PM GMT+02:00, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus=2E= org> wrote: > Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu=2Eorg> writes: >=20 > > What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 > > times, and is it frequent enough to justify binding the command to a > > key, and to C-c key on top of that? >=20 > That users are asking about a command like this on stackexchange seems > to > indicate that some users would find this useful=2E They asked about making a dozen copies of a line?
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > `duplicate-line' is a better name, but the problem is that is based on the > existing command `copy-from-above-command'. Should they share > the same name prefix? Please decide, I have no opinion on [...] Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?utf-8?Q?Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > `duplicate-line' is a better name, but the problem is that is based on the > existing command `copy-from-above-command'. Should they share > the same name prefix? Please decide, I have no opinion on this. :-) I think it's fine to go with `duplicate-line', even if it's conceptually similar to `copy-from-above-command'. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 > times, and is it frequent enough to justify binding the command to a > key, and to C-c key on top of that? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, mardani29@HIDDEN, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN>, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 > times, and is it frequent enough to justify binding the command to a > key, and to C-c key on top of that? That users are asking about a command like this on stackexchange seems to indicate that some users would find this useful. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 10:42:06 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 05:42:06 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53561 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDmBi-0002yG-6x for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:42:06 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:34372) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBg-0002xM-HC for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:42:04 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBa-0004mL-2j; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:41:58 -0500 Received: from [2a02:14f:1fd:b59e::1116:7df2] (port=52868) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBS-0004cW-IR; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:41:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:41:47 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) On February 21, 2021 10:54:24 AM GMT+02:00, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov=2Enet>= wrote: > > > >> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of > variables, you > > > >> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed > to rename > > > >> them=2E I see the proposed new command may be useful in that > scenario=2E > > > > Once in a while I want to do that=2E It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, > > they C-y as many times as needed=2E >=20 > Let's compare these two solutions=2E Trying to copy 10 lines: >=20 > C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y >=20 > and adds an unrequested entry to the kill ring > that the user needs to remove from the kill ring later=2E >=20 > When bound to a short key, it's just >=20 > C-12 C-c c >=20 > and doesn't change the contents of the kill ring=2E What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 times, an= d is it frequent enough to justify binding the command to a key, and to C-c= key on top of that? Also, let's not forget that Emacs has keyboard macros, and those can be ru= n with a repeat count=2E
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Full text available.Received: (at submit) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 10:42:01 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 05:42:01 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53557 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDmBc-0002xU-VM for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:42:01 -0500 Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]:52762) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBb-0002xN-O2 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:42:00 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]:52230) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBb-0000Xq-Gn for bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:41:59 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:60898) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBa-0004mL-2j; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:41:58 -0500 Received: from [2a02:14f:1fd:b59e::1116:7df2] (port=52868) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:128) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDmBS-0004cW-IR; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 05:41:50 -0500 Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 12:41:47 +0200 User-Agent: K-9 Mail for Android In-Reply-To: <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line To: bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>, Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> Message-ID: <189946C1-8CC9-4F7E-BAE6-FC19D2377D39@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -3.3 (---) On February 21, 2021 10:54:24 AM GMT+02:00, Juri Linkov <juri@linkov=2Enet>= wrote: > > > >> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of > variables, you > > > >> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed > to rename > > > >> them=2E I see the proposed new command may be useful in that > scenario=2E > > > > Once in a while I want to do that=2E It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, > > they C-y as many times as needed=2E >=20 > Let's compare these two solutions=2E Trying to copy 10 lines: >=20 > C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y >=20 > and adds an unrequested entry to the kill ring > that the user needs to remove from the kill ring later=2E >=20 > When bound to a short key, it's just >=20 > C-12 C-c c >=20 > and doesn't change the contents of the kill ring=2E What is the use case for an Emacs user to need to copy a line 12 times, an= d is it frequent enough to justify binding the command to a key, and to C-c= key on top of that? Also, let's not forget that Emacs has keyboard macros, and those can be ru= n with a repeat count=2E
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 08:56:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 03:56:04 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53491 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDkX6-0000Qq-0q for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 03:56:04 -0500 Received: from relay12.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.232]:51927) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1lDkX2-0000QK-Vc for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 03:56:02 -0500 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-96-116.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.116]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay12.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 41C2F200007; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 08:55:52 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 10:54:24 +0200 In-Reply-To: <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> (Richard Stallman's message of "Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:10 -0500") Message-ID: <87im6lls1r.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > > >> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you > > >> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename > > >> them. I see the proposed new command may be useful in that scenario. > > Once in a while I want to do that. It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, > they C-y as many times as needed. Let's compare these two solutions. Trying to copy 10 lines: C-a C-k C-k C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y C-y and adds an unrequested entry to the kill ring that the user needs to remove from the kill ring later. When bound to a short key, it's just C-12 C-c c and doesn't change the contents of the kill ring. > Instead of a command to duplicate the current line repeatedly, > how about a command to yank the current kill repeatedly? > That would be useful in a much broader range of situations. > > I wonder if the current meaning of the numeric argument to C-y (reach > back in the kill ring) is actually useful. Would it be better for > it to repeat the yank in this way? It's not realistic to change the meaning of the numeric arg to C-y. People already use the current meaning for decades.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 21 Feb 2021 06:21:20 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sun Feb 21 01:21:20 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:53400 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDi7M-0002nW-F6 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:20 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:55494) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDi7J-0002nJ-R3 for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:18 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:58298) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDi7E-0006oa-B9; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:12 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDi7C-0005pz-FN; Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:10 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Juri Linkov on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 20:28:20 +0200) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1lDi7C-0005pz-FN@HIDDEN> Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 01:21:10 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > >> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you > >> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename > >> them. I see the proposed new command may be useful in that scenario. Once in a while I want to do that. It is easy: C-a C-k C-k, they C-y as many times as needed. Instead of a command to duplicate the current line repeatedly, how about a command to yank the current kill repeatedly? That would be useful in a much broader range of situations. I wonder if the current meaning of the numeric argument to C-y (reach back in the kill ring) is actually useful. Would it be better for it to repeat the yank in this way? -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 18:36:13 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 20 13:36:12 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:52829 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDX6y-0000WD-K9 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:36:12 -0500 Received: from relay11.mail.gandi.net ([217.70.178.231]:59507) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <juri@HIDDEN>) id 1lDX6v-0000Vy-9O for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 13:36:10 -0500 Received: from mail.gandi.net (m91-129-96-116.cust.tele2.ee [91.129.96.116]) (Authenticated sender: juri@HIDDEN) by relay11.mail.gandi.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 30A1F100004; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 18:36:00 +0000 (UTC) From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line Organization: LINKOV.NET References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 20:28:20 +0200 In-Reply-To: <87ft1qq4b6.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:03:41 +0100") Message-ID: <87o8ge8ugr.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (x86_64-pc-linux-gnu) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Daniel =?iso-8859-1?Q?Mart=EDn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) >> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you >> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename >> them. I see the proposed new command may be useful in that scenario. > > Right; makes sense. > >> This has been a hot topic in Q&A sites: >> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/88399/how-do-i-duplicate-a-whole-line-in-emacs > > OK, so there seems to be some general demand for this command, so I > think we should go ahead and add it, unless somebody strongly objects. Also tired of reading endless discussions on Q&A sites about reinventing such fundamental feature as duplicating a line. >> Also, why not name the command `duplicate-line'? I think it's a more >> descriptive name and more discoverable via apropos (along with >> `delete-duplicate-lines', for example). > > That does seem like an even better name for the command. What do you > think, Juri? `duplicate-line' is a better name, but the problem is that is based on the existing command `copy-from-above-command'. Should they share the same name prefix? Please decide, I have no opinion on this. :-)
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 14:16:05 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 20 09:16:05 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:51309 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDT3E-0002LK-Pc for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:16:05 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33568) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDT3A-0002KZ-0e for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:16:03 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:44253) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDT34-0005fp-7P; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:15:54 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:1661 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lDT33-0001yd-I8; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 09:15:53 -0500 Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 16:15:35 +0200 Message-Id: <83r1lazuyg.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <871rdaq3n5.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:18:06 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o8gf1b6t.fsf@HIDDEN> <87blceq47r.fsf@HIDDEN> <83sg5qzxus.fsf@HIDDEN> <871rdaq3n5.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN, mardani29@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: mardani29@HIDDEN, 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN > Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 14:18:06 +0100 > > > b M-/ > > f M-/ > > f M-/ M-/ M-/ > > > > etc. > > Ah, I see. I've never used that command before. It's a great means to type much less, and not just in programming modes. When writing email as well, for example. > However, this just copies a single word, and not a line? I mentioned M-/ because of this rationale: > > In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you > > may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename > > them. > In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you > may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename > them. So assume you have this: ptrdiff_t foobar; and you want to add this: ptrdiff_t bazquux; Instead of copying the "foobar" line and then editing "foobar" into "bazquux", you can do p M-/ bazquux; IOW, instead of copying lines, it usually makes more sense in PL modes to be able to easily repeat what has been typed recently, because source lines are rarely exact copies of some other line. So that use case I think is not the best one to justify this new command. Which is not to say I object to adding it, just that at least some people may think they need it because they aren't aware of some Emacs feature. Because I _never_ in all the years of writing code felt the need to have such a command.
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: > You need to type the beginning of what you want it to complete before > M-/. Try > > b M-/ > f M-/ > f M-/ M-/ M-/ > > etc. Ah, I see. I've never used that command before. However, this just copies a single word, and not a line? So a line-copying command still sounds somewhat useful. 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Try > > b M-/ > f M-/ > f M-/ M-/ M-/ > > etc. Ah, I see. I've never used that command before. However, this just copies a single word, and not a line? So a line-copying command still sounds somewhat useful. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Daniel Mart=C3=ADn <mardani29@HIDDEN> writes:
> In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you
> may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename
> them. I see the proposed new command may be useful in that scenario.
Right; makes sense.
> This has been a hot topic in Q&A sites:
> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/88399/how-do-i-duplicate-a-whole-line=
-in-emacs
OK, so there seems to be some general demand for this command, so I
think we should go ahead and add it, unless somebody strongly objects.
> Also, why not name the command `duplicate-line'? I think it's a more
> descriptive name and more discoverable via apropos (along with
> `delete-duplicate-lines', for example).
That does seem like an even better name for the command. What do you
think, Juri?
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 20 Feb 2021 06:58:39 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sat Feb 20 01:58:39 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50850 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lDMDv-0003iV-FL for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:58:39 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:45682) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDMDu-0003iK-9k for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:58:38 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:39920) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDMDp-0005TI-19; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:58:33 -0500 Received: from rms by fencepost.gnu.org with local (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <rms@HIDDEN>) id 1lDMDm-0007Vl-P7; Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:58:31 -0500 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=Utf-8 From: Richard Stallman <rms@HIDDEN> To: Drew Adams <drew.adams@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <SA2PR10MB447470D707958494183D4107F3859@HIDDEN> (message from Drew Adams on Thu, 18 Feb 2021 19:30:25 +0000) Subject: Re: bug#46621: [External] : bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <SA2PR10MB447470D707958494183D4107F3859@HIDDEN> Message-Id: <E1lDMDm-0007Vl-P7@HIDDEN> Date: Sat, 20 Feb 2021 01:58:30 -0500 X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, juri@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Reply-To: rms@HIDDEN Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) [[[ To any NSA and FBI agents reading my email: please consider ]]] [[[ whether defending the US Constitution against all enemies, ]]] [[[ foreign or domestic, requires you to follow Snowden's example. ]]] > We seem to be adding this & that simple command > more & more - perhaps just because it's available > in other editors? I agree. Just because we don't need any longer to struggle to keep Emacs down to 8 megabytes is no reason to add commands without real demand. -- Dr Richard Stallman Chief GNUisance of the GNU Project (https://gnu.org) Founder, Free Software Foundation (https://fsf.org) Internet Hall-of-Famer (https://internethalloffame.org)
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Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:27:16 +0000 Received: by smtp414.mail.ir2.yahoo.com (VZM Hermes SMTP Server) with ESMTPA ID 7f344950a8a8c7747c3b3034eb8a77e3; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 20:27:10 +0000 (UTC) From: =?utf-8?Q?Daniel_Mart=C3=ADn?= <mardani29@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 21:27:09 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> (Lars Ingebrigtsen's message of "Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:09:22 +0100") Message-ID: <m15z2n6bxe.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/27.1 (darwin) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Mailer: WebService/1.1.17712 mail.backend.jedi.jws.acl:role.jedi.acl.token.atz.jws.hermes.yahoo Apache-HttpAsyncClient/4.1.4 (Java/11.0.9.1) Content-Length: 804 X-Spam-Score: 0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46621 Cc: 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > Well, I don't object to adding it, but I'm not sure what the use case is > here? The only time I can remember wanting something like that is when > I'm filling a buffer with text for test purposes, which is perhaps not a > compelling use case. In programming modes, if you need to declare a bunch of variables, you may duplicate the current line several times and then proceed to rename them. I see the proposed new command may be useful in that scenario. Also, why not name the command `duplicate-line'? I think it's a more descriptive name and more discoverable via apropos (along with `delete-duplicate-lines', for example). This has been a hot topic in Q&A sites: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/88399/how-do-i-duplicate-a-whole-line-in-emacs
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Full text available.Received: (at 46621) by debbugs.gnu.org; 19 Feb 2021 13:09:37 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 19 08:09:37 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48919 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lD5XN-0000nn-8b for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:09:37 -0500 Received: from quimby.gnus.org ([95.216.78.240]:59596) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1lD5XM-0000nZ-1j for 46621 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 08:09:36 -0500 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gnus.org; s=20200322; h=Content-Type:MIME-Version:Message-ID:In-Reply-To:Date: References:Subject:Cc:To:From:Sender:Reply-To:Content-Transfer-Encoding: Content-ID:Content-Description:Resent-Date:Resent-From:Resent-Sender: Resent-To:Resent-Cc:Resent-Message-ID:List-Id:List-Help:List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe:List-Post:List-Owner:List-Archive; bh=Kurh+5dSg17l7LXF63uMcYuyj/NDTwIo/QVUE/5yD0A=; b=bEC2foqNVxrO2J0IU5Lxspk0lG r8DSKuzmefwNpPjvfc5+5UQO8SrTx2MSHhIVB4+L1hNUY/r1OMGkxTzZ4D37f6jdSvBDyyrD0yz12 1kLxW9jUFgilQhxdoPg9IopiI9Hq7/TGz9k59m0ez9f3DKsVs6Yrt0wCIzrBK5fjzHgs=; Received: from cm-84.212.202.86.getinternet.no ([84.212.202.86] helo=xo) by quimby.gnus.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.3:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from <larsi@HIDDEN>) id 1lD5X9-0002GI-Pr; Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:09:29 +0100 From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> To: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46621: Copy line References: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> Face: iVBORw0KGgoAAAANSUhEUgAAADAAAAAwBAMAAAClLOS0AAAABGdBTUEAALGPC/xhBQAAACBj SFJNAAB6JgAAgIQAAPoAAACA6AAAdTAAAOpgAAA6mAAAF3CculE8AAAAD1BMVEUgGBVVQCm1h0vv 4cT////s5sKAAAAAAWJLR0QEj2jZUQAAAAd0SU1FB+UCEwwxAQpxRcAAAAGRSURBVDjLbZPrtYQw CITBCiA2IKSCNf33dnnl4TnXH7uaz8xMAAEAsIn9AjMyw3Eh9wKEDOR3BdoIgLaBQZDJ/oPfJ2i2 yOKaxD2BaXHK4VQaTwEXweC2A+8CyGoGBfx5jEG5VdRWiVam8eadqmaeiGuZxi/f0TEkSJhbpvIG 2/vDPIKDaQFw2e0GyyJjCM969WWR91z1gG0RJ3rnKRwQHFoLhAWmLpWJnZHALWaD6E4TO4mDB+du vMokpF5aIA4lFSuVKiL1qWXgyQa5LM/AXmF1JR+By6LwtQOrKYVMc4+qiu8Q4Gyy2C/BNiGoqE9j XFUJANlYUdlVyaVg1thnlz7Lh16rpiJqD1mVnCxL64MgTTna+M5emXbTvJ4yqbGpfo/omQdOb5QP uANQpTpAaO2vZ4NoNq+utr5ABC4hYNUFIvAcj8baJ/iYYEx9jdgxajndb43YpfkZz01mo1k8AviA PlSir1Yg+uzwZa+lnsA+yvjU2qzmAiy+IJxgudsMqb/tYmvgC5BNGCH8d+GR5Q+YxUi4JPu+VAAA ACV0RVh0ZGF0ZTpjcmVhdGUAMjAyMS0wMi0xOVQxMjo0OTowMSswMDowMCI1xp8AAAAldEVYdGRh dGU6bW9kaWZ5ADIwMjEtMDItMTlUMTI6NDk6MDErMDA6MDBTaH4jAAAAAElFTkSuQmCC X-Now-Playing: Kate Bush's _Lionheart_: "Kashka From Baghdad" Date: Fri, 19 Feb 2021 14:09:22 +0100 In-Reply-To: <87tuq99ova.fsf@HIDDEN> (Juri Linkov's message of "Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:07:05 +0200") Message-ID: <87y2fkrypp.fsf@HIDDEN> User-Agent: Gnus/5.13 (Gnus v5.13) Emacs/28.0.50 (gnu/linux) MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-Spam-Report: Spam detection software, running on the system "quimby.gnus.org", has NOT identified this incoming email as spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN> writes: > Why there is still no such fundamental command as duplicating the current > line? This command slightly extends the existing copy-from-above-command: Hm... So this would basically just allow you to get X number of the line? 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This command slightly extends the existing copy-from-above-command: Hm... So this would basically just allow you to get X number of the line? Well, I don't object to adding it, but I'm not sure what the use case is here? The only time I can remember wanting something like that is when I'm filling a buffer with text for test purposes, which is perhaps not a compelling use case. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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This command slightly extends the existing > copy-from-above-command: "still"? "fundamental command"? In the 35+ years of Emacs, has anyone actually requested/missed this? We seem to be adding this & that simple command more & more - perhaps just because it's available in other editors? (Next, we'll dedicate a default key for this...) The right approach for this kind of thing, IMO, is for users to create and use such a command. Then after a while they start asking for it by default, and we maybe add it, if it's a real lack. I've nothing against such a command. But I've also never felt the need for it.
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From: Juri Linkov <juri@HIDDEN>
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Subject: Copy line
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Date: Thu, 18 Feb 2021 21:07:05 +0200
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Why there is still no such fundamental command as duplicating the current
line? This command slightly extends the existing copy-from-above-command:
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diff --git a/lisp/misc.el b/lisp/misc.el
index 09f6011f98..b3b7d8355f 100644
--- a/lisp/misc.el
+++ b/lisp/misc.el
@@ -61,6 +61,16 @@ copy-from-above-command
(+ n (point)))))))
(insert string)))
+;;;###autoload
+(defun copy-line (&optional arg)
+ "Duplicate the current line ARG times."
+ (interactive "p")
+ (dotimes (_ arg)
+ (forward-line 1)
+ (insert "\n")
+ (forward-line -1)
+ (copy-from-above-command)))
+
;; Variation of `zap-to-char'.
;;;###autoload
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