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=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> writes:
> $ emacs -nw -Q --eval '(setq read-buffer-completion-ignore-case t)' Makef=
ile murmurfile BLA
> C-x b ;; switch-to-buffer
> M ;; self-insert-command
> TAB ;; minibuffer-complete
>
> I am saying that if I typed "m", then offer me both choices.
>
> But I have gone through all the trouble of holding down SHIFT, that
> means I am serious about only matching uppercase M.
Thanks for the recipe for reproduction.
Yes, I also see this behaviour, and it does indeed behave as documented
(i.e., case is ignored).
But as you say, that's perhaps not optimal behaviour -- in other cases
like this in Emacs (like isearch), Emacs stops ignoring case if the user
enters some upper case characters, and that would make sense here too?
Anybody have opinions here?
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=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> writes:
> retitle 46781 read-buffer-completion-ignore-case: who would still be
> looking for m when they typed M?
> thanks
> Oops, for the entire bug I meant to talk about
> buffer names, not file names! Sorry.
Thanks for the clarification. :-)
But could you now possibly restate what problem you're actually seeing,
with a test case (starting from "emacs -Q") so that we can follow along?
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retitle 46781 read-buffer-completion-ignore-case: who would still be look=
ing for m when they typed M?
thanks
Oops, for the entire bug I meant to talk about
buffer names, not file names! Sorry.
read-buffer-completion-ignore-case is a variable defined in =E2=80=98C so=
urce code=E2=80=99.
Its value is t
Original value was nil
So how did young Dan, usually sharp in the wits, ever make such a
blunder?
Well, one day he was innocently looking up in the manual
(Info-index "read-buffer-completion-ignore-case")
when the forces of evil linked it to the same place that
(Info-index "read-file-name-completion-ignore-case")
goes, instead of seven lines below it!!
Ever trustful, young Dan didn't notice the Toyota XLE he had intended to
discuss was now switched for a Toyota XLD, so he ended up discussing
that instead.
>>>>> "LI" =3D=3D Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
LI> =E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> writes=
:
>> E.g., I have Makefile and murmurfile. Well if I set
>> read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to nil and type M TAB then of co=
urse I
>> am only wanting to complete Makefile.
LI> Did you mean "if I set read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to t" he=
re?
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=E7=A9=8D=E4=B8=B9=E5=B0=BC Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> writes:
> E.g., I have Makefile and murmurfile. Well if I set
> read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to nil and type M TAB then of cours=
e I
> am only wanting to complete Makefile.
Did you mean "if I set read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to t" here?
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Full text available.Received: (at 46781) by debbugs.gnu.org; 26 Feb 2021 06:46:52 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Fri Feb 26 01:46:52 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:40142 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lFWtn-0001fe-Vw for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:46:52 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:37204) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lFWtj-0001fN-IW for 46781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:46:50 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:42887) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lFWte-0000LN-7t; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:46:42 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4678 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lFWtd-0007Nh-Lq; Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:46:42 -0500 Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 08:46:29 +0200 Message-Id: <83sg5jqqbe.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: =?utf-8?B?56mN5Li55bC8?= Dan Jacobson <jidanni@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87y2fc2gvf.5.fsf@HIDDEN> Subject: Re: bug#46781: read-file-name-completion-ignore-case: who would still be looking for m when they typed M? References: <87y2fc2gvf.5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46781 Cc: 46781 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: 積丹尼 Dan Jacobson > <jidanni@HIDDEN> > Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:32:04 +0800 > > Today let's talk about > read-file-name-completion-ignore-case . > (info "(emacs) Completion Options") > > Well just like for search, if we type "m" we probably are looking for > both "M" and "m", but if we go through all the trouble of holding down > the SHIFT button to type "M" then we certainly are only looking for "M" > and would be out of our mind to also be looking for "m". (Or "into pain, > a pain freak.") Therefore read-file-name-completion-ignore-case needs > more options than just t and nil. > > E.g., I have Makefile and murmurfile. Well if I set > read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to nil and type M TAB then of course I > am only wanting to complete Makefile. Did you actually see what happens when you set this variable non-nil and try this? If not, please do; if you did, and the result was not what you expected, please show the details: what you types, which files are there on disk, and what completion candidates were suggested. Because AFAIK Emacs already does what you want it to do in these cases, without needing any additional values for this option.
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Date: Fri, 26 Feb 2021 01:32:04 +0800 Message-ID: <87y2fc2gvf.5.fsf@HIDDEN> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain Received-SPF: pass client-ip=23.83.212.38; envelope-from=jidanni@HIDDEN; helo=common.elm.relay.mailchannels.net X-Spam_score_int: -4 X-Spam_score: -0.5 X-Spam_bar: / X-Spam_report: (-0.5 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DATE_IN_PAST_03_06=1.592, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_H3=0.001, RCVD_IN_MSPIKE_WL=0.001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: submit X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.3 (-) Today let's talk about read-file-name-completion-ignore-case . (info "(emacs) Completion Options") Well just like for search, if we type "m" we probably are looking for both "M" and "m", but if we go through all the trouble of holding down the SHIFT button to type "M" then we certainly are only looking for "M" and would be out of our mind to also be looking for "m". (Or "into pain, a pain freak.") Therefore read-file-name-completion-ignore-case needs more options than just t and nil. E.g., I have Makefile and murmurfile. Well if I set read-file-name-completion-ignore-case to nil and type M TAB then of course I am only wanting to complete Makefile. P.S., C-h v read-file-name-completion-ignore-case doesn't say what its original value was. Odd. Yes even though "it might differ on different operating systems." emacs-version "27.1"
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