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Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font
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> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 18:16:02 -0600
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> >> and then `C-x C-+' in the buffer enlarges all the faces, even
> >> variable-pitch...
> >
> > It only enlarges those faces which inherit their size from 'default'.
>
> I find the semantics here confusing. I do this in emacs -Q:
>
> (progn
> (defface foo-bar '((t :weight bold)) "foo")
> (pop-to-buffer (get-buffer-create "foo"))
> (insert "aaa " (propertize "bbb" 'face 'foo-bar) " ccc")
> (text-scale-adjust 3))
>
> And I see that "bbb" has its font size increased together with "aaa" and
> "ccc". But `M-x describe-face RET foo-bar' says that "Inherit:
> unspecified".
All the faces implicitly inherit from 'default'.
> Looking at the manual, the node `(elisp) Basic Faces' says:
>
> ‘default’
> The default face, whose attributes are all specified. All other
> faces implicitly inherit from it: any unspecified attribute
> defaults to the attribute on this face (*note Face Attributes::).
Exactly.
> So when you say that "it only enlarges those faces which inherit their
> size from 'default'", doesn't that just mean that *any* face is resized,
> unless that face itself or any its parents specify an absolute :height
> (an integer)?
No, it doesn't have to be an absolute :height attribute. It can also
be:
. a face that inherits from a face other than 'default', which has
an absolute :height attribute
. a face that specifies a relative :height attribute and inherits
from a face other than 'default that specifies an absolute :height
. any other situation where a face recursively inherits from some
other face with a non-default absolute :height
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Full text available.Received: (at 46853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 4 Mar 2021 13:42:04 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Thu Mar 04 08:42:04 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:58135 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lHoEt-0002pr-Oz for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 08:42:04 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:50740) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lHoEp-0002pM-FG for 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 08:42:01 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:59249) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lHoEj-0002Ys-RC; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 08:41:53 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4771 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lHoEj-0002EI-9H; Thu, 04 Mar 2021 08:41:53 -0500 Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2021 15:41:34 +0200 Message-Id: <838s73jasx.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <CADwFkmkyeUiJZtp+88ouaYXX-s-NF6AU+s6VSMQEGEyU6yO68g@HIDDEN> (message from Stefan Kangas on Wed, 3 Mar 2021 16:43:07 -0600) Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font size" References: <CADwFkm=vsDvdEnmpo5BzBTTM=c-ETYHu3AxC-7ZSwT-pxvSK_A@HIDDEN> <875z2a4x2c.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkF74NBPP+Hai-JUTD4UEiBXFiGHYaEkvx7TovCeNxdrQ@HIDDEN> <87tupu3cdd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pn0i3c0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnuq7izl.fsf@HIDDEN> <874khu3aiw.fsf@HIDDEN> <83o8g27hoa.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkyeUiJZtp+88ouaYXX-s-NF6AU+s6VSMQEGEyU6yO68g@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, larsi@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> > Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2021 16:43:07 -0600 > Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > > Sorry, no, because that would mislead by catering to the "usual" cases > > and ignoring the rest. What I think we should do instead is talk > > about the default face, and then add a note that other faces will be > > affected if they don't specify :height. > > Yes, this would be an improvement. But I have found it less than > helpful with this talk about the `default' face, since it evidently > scales *all* faces. As this discussion shows, it definitely doesn't scale _all_ of them. > It also maintains the terminological confusion that is the reason for > this bug report -- i.e. it talks about "the default face" instead of > "the font size" [in the current buffer]. There's no such thing as "the font in the current buffer" in modern Emacs, because we are capable of using quite a few fonts in the same buffer. > > So I would propose: > > a) Talking about "changing font size". That is after all the most > striking user visible effect, and it is what normally happens in most > buffers. I didn't object to mentioning the font, I object to mentioning it without _also_ mentioning the face(s) whose font attribute is affected. > b) On row two of the docstring (or three or whatever) we explain the > exact details, something like: > > "This scales all faces that do not have an absolute :height specified. The "absolute" part is inaccurate, see the other mail in this thread. > As an exception, the `default' face is scaled even if it has an > absolute :height. This exception also applies to the `header-line' > face if the variable `text-scale-remap-header-line' is non-nil." > > This seems both more accurate, and less confusing to me. > > I think the difference between the two proposals is that this puts the > technical "implementation details" further down, and the user-visible > effects higher up. (I put "implementation details" in quotes because it > becomes important as soon as you start customizing faces with absolute > values.) Which doc string are you alluding to here? There's IMO a difference between doc strings of user commands and doc strings of the rest of the functions and variables. The latter don't need to cater too much to users, so they can be more rigorous. Doc strings for user commands and options should perhaps start with an easier to understand text, but should afterwards have notes that prevent erroneous interpretation. IOW, we need to consider the doc strings on a case by case basis.
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Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>> From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN>
>> Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
>> Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:45:28 +0100
>>
>> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes:
>>
>> > No, it's because enlarging _all_ faces makes no sense.
>>
>> I really thought that's how this command worked, but
>>
>> emacs -Q -f list-faces-display
>>
>> and then `C-x C-+' in the buffer enlarges all the faces, even
>> variable-pitch...
>
> It only enlarges those faces which inherit their size from 'default'.
I find the semantics here confusing. I do this in emacs -Q:
(progn
(defface foo-bar '((t :weight bold)) "foo")
(pop-to-buffer (get-buffer-create "foo"))
(insert "aaa " (propertize "bbb" 'face 'foo-bar) " ccc")
(text-scale-adjust 3))
And I see that "bbb" has its font size increased together with "aaa" and
"ccc". But `M-x describe-face RET foo-bar' says that "Inherit:
unspecified".
Looking at the manual, the node `(elisp) Basic Faces' says:
=E2=80=98default=E2=80=99
The default face, whose attributes are all specified. All other
faces implicitly inherit from it: any unspecified attribute
defaults to the attribute on this face (*note Face Attributes::).
So when you say that "it only enlarges those faces which inherit their
size from 'default'", doesn't that just mean that *any* face is resized,
unless that face itself or any its parents specify an absolute :height
(an integer)?
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Thank you for laying this out clearly. >> There may be other rules, too (are there other face attributes that >> hinder size changes?), but this seems to indicate to me that we should >> just say (as in Stefan's patches) "changes the size of the fonts", and >> then link to a manual node that explains the three points above? >> >> Does that sound reasonable? > > Sorry, no, because that would mislead by catering to the "usual" cases > and ignoring the rest. What I think we should do instead is talk > about the default face, and then add a note that other faces will be > affected if they don't specify :height. Yes, this would be an improvement. But I have found it less than helpful with this talk about the `default' face, since it evidently scales *all* faces. It also maintains the terminological confusion that is the reason for this bug report -- i.e. it talks about "the default face" instead of "the font size" [in the current buffer]. So I would propose: a) Talking about "changing font size". That is after all the most striking user visible effect, and it is what normally happens in most buffers. b) On row two of the docstring (or three or whatever) we explain the exact details, something like: "This scales all faces that do not have an absolute :height specified. As an exception, the `default' face is scaled even if it has an absolute :height. This exception also applies to the `header-line' face if the variable `text-scale-remap-header-line' is non-nil." This seems both more accurate, and less confusing to me. I think the difference between the two proposals is that this puts the technical "implementation details" further down, and the user-visible effects higher up. (I put "implementation details" in quotes because it becomes important as soon as you start customizing faces with absolute values.) > (The special handling of header-line doesn't have to be mentioned > where header-line is not the most relevant feature; or we could say > "see also `text-scale-remap-header-line' in some of them). Agreed. We should decide the level of detail on a case-by-case basis.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2021 20:17:23 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 01 15:17:23 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50974 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lGoyo-0005Vy-Pr for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:17:23 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:39732) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoym-0005Ro-3O for 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:17:21 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:53270) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoyg-0004mP-K4; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:17:14 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:2639 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoyf-0003RH-3z; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 15:17:14 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 22:17:09 +0200 Message-Id: <83o8g27hoa.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <874khu3aiw.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 01 Mar 2021 21:05:11 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font size" References: <CADwFkm=vsDvdEnmpo5BzBTTM=c-ETYHu3AxC-7ZSwT-pxvSK_A@HIDDEN> <875z2a4x2c.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkF74NBPP+Hai-JUTD4UEiBXFiGHYaEkvx7TovCeNxdrQ@HIDDEN> <87tupu3cdd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pn0i3c0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <83wnuq7izl.fsf@HIDDEN> <874khu3aiw.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Cc: stefan@HIDDEN, 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 21:05:11 +0100 > > > Which exactly demonstrates that not all the faces will have their size > > changed. Right? > > Sure. But the rules are a bit more subtle, so I wonder whether talking > about the "default face" everywhere is the best way of doing it. > > My understanding of what it does is: > > 1) The default face is definitely adjusted (even if it has an explicit > :height). > > 2) The header face is also adjusted (even if it has an explicit :height) > and you have that variable set. > > 3) All other fonts will also be adjusted, except those with an explicit > :height. > > There may be other rules, too (are there other face attributes that > hinder size changes?), but this seems to indicate to me that we should > just say (as in Stefan's patches) "changes the size of the fonts", and > then link to a manual node that explains the three points above? > > Does that sound reasonable? Sorry, no, because that would mislead by catering to the "usual" cases and ignoring the rest. What I think we should do instead is talk about the default face, and then add a note that other faces will be affected if they don't specify :height. (The special handling of header-line doesn't have to be mentioned where header-line is not the most relevant feature; or we could say "see also `text-scale-remap-header-line' in some of them).
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The original message has been attached to this so you can view it or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ for details. Content preview: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> (set-face-attribute 'variable-pitch nil :height 120) >> >> in my .emacs. > > Which exactly demonstrates that not all the faces will have their size > changed. Right? Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> writes: >> (set-face-attribute 'variable-pitch nil :height 120) >> >> in my .emacs. > > Which exactly demonstrates that not all the faces will have their size > changed. Right? Sure. But the rules are a bit more subtle, so I wonder whether talking about the "default face" everywhere is the best way of doing it. My understanding of what it does is: 1) The default face is definitely adjusted (even if it has an explicit :height). 2) The header face is also adjusted (even if it has an explicit :height) and you have that variable set. 3) All other fonts will also be adjusted, except those with an explicit :height. There may be other rules, too (are there other face attributes that hinder size changes?), but this seems to indicate to me that we should just say (as in Stefan's patches) "changes the size of the fonts", and then link to a manual node that explains the three points above? Does that sound reasonable? -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
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Full text available.Received: (at 46853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2021 19:50:36 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 01 14:50:36 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50884 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lGoYt-0002w8-M4 for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:35 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:33032) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoYs-0002vw-0I for 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:34 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52647) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoYm-0000tD-On; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:28 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4982 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoYl-0008DE-RT; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:50:28 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 21:50:26 +0200 Message-Id: <83tupu7iwt.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87lfb63bto.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:37:07 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font size" References: <CADwFkm=vsDvdEnmpo5BzBTTM=c-ETYHu3AxC-7ZSwT-pxvSK_A@HIDDEN> <875z2a4x2c.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkF74NBPP+Hai-JUTD4UEiBXFiGHYaEkvx7TovCeNxdrQ@HIDDEN> <87tupu3cdd.fsf@HIDDEN> <87pn0i3c0j.fsf@HIDDEN> <87lfb63bto.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:37:07 +0100 > Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > > > So you're totally right; sorry for the confusion here. > > So now I don't understand the point of this: > > (when text-scale-remap-header-line > (face-remap--remap-face 'header-line))) > > The variable is nil in emacs -Q, but this face, like all other faces, is > resized by `C-x C-+'. Not if the face is customized to define its own size, instead of inheriting from the default face.
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Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font
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> From: Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>
> Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 13:31:44 -0600
> Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org
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> Agreed, so here's a tentative diff. It could probably use some
> polishing though.
Thanks.
First, this consistently removes the reference to the default face,
which loses information. For example:
> - To increase the height of the default face in the current buffer,
> -type @kbd{C-x C-+} or @kbd{C-x C-=}. To decrease it, type @kbd{C-x
> -C--}. To restore the default (global) face height, type @kbd{C-x
> -C-0}. These keys are all bound to the same command,
> -@code{text-scale-adjust}, which looks at the last key typed to
> -determine which action to take.
> + To increase the font size in the current buffer, type @kbd{C-x C-+}
This should be
To increase the height of the default face's font, type ...
Please also retain the reference to the default face in all the other
places where it was mentioned before.
> --- a/lisp/cus-face.el
> +++ b/lisp/cus-face.el
> @@ -73,9 +73,9 @@ custom-face-attributes
>
> (:height
> (choice :tag "Height"
> - :help-echo "Face's font height."
> + :help-echo "Font size."
Here' I suggest "Face's font size." There's no need to remove the
reference to the face, since in Emacs a font is just one attribute of
the face.
> -Each positive or negative step scales the default face height by this amount."
> +Each positive or negative step scales the default font size by this amount."
There's no such thing as "the default font", please use "the size of
the default face's font" instead.
> - (user-error "Cannot %s the default face height more than it already is"
> + (user-error "Cannot %s the font size any further"
Please keep the reference to the default face here.
> + +, = Increase default font size in current buffer by one step
> + - Decrease default font size in current buffer by one step
"Default font" again.
> `:height'
>
> -VALUE specifies the relative or absolute height of the font. An
> -absolute height is an integer, and specifies font height in units
> -of 1/10 pt. A relative height is either a floating point number,
> -which specifies a scaling factor for the underlying face height;
> -or a function that takes a single argument (the underlying face
> -height) and returns the new height. Note that for the `default'
> -face, you must specify an absolute height (since there is nothing
> -for it to be relative to).
> +VALUE specifies the relative or absolute font size (height of the
> +font). An absolute height is an integer, and specifies font height in
> +units of 1/10 pt. A relative height is either a floating point
> +number, which specifies a scaling factor for the underlying face
> +height; or a function that takes a single argument (the underlying
> +face height) and returns the new height. Note that for the `default'
> +face, you must specify an absolute height (since there is nothing for
> +it to be relative to).
I don't understand the point of this change. My suggestion would be
to leave the original text intact, and add to it a note saying that
this affects the size of the font, not just its height.
> --- a/lisp/play/gamegrid.el
> +++ b/lisp/play/gamegrid.el
> @@ -452,6 +452,7 @@ gamegrid-init-buffer
> ;; Adjust the height of the default face to the height of the
> ;; images. Unlike XEmacs, Emacs doesn't allow making the default
> ;; face buffer-local; so we do this with an overlay.
> + ;; FIXME: Is the above correct? See face-remap.el.
No, this was written before we had face-remap.el. But that doesn't
belong to this issue.
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Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes:
> So you're totally right; sorry for the confusion here.
So now I don't understand the point of this:
(when text-scale-remap-header-line
(face-remap--remap-face 'header-line)))
The variable is nil in emacs -Q, but this face, like all other faces, is
resized by `C-x C-+'.
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Full text available.Received: (at 46853) by debbugs.gnu.org; 1 Mar 2021 19:35:33 +0000 From debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Mon Mar 01 14:35:33 2021 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:50855 helo=debbugs.gnu.org) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org>) id 1lGoKL-0002Z6-GZ for submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:35:33 -0500 Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:57292) by debbugs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.84_2) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoKK-0002Yv-Mm for 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:35:33 -0500 Received: from fencepost.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::e]:52289) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoKF-0002SP-GM; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:35:27 -0500 Received: from 84.94.185.95.cable.012.net.il ([84.94.185.95]:4057 helo=home-c4e4a596f7) by fencepost.gnu.org with esmtpsa (TLS1.2:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.82) (envelope-from <eliz@HIDDEN>) id 1lGoKE-0006kP-B7; Mon, 01 Mar 2021 14:35:26 -0500 Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 21:35:25 +0200 Message-Id: <83zgzm7jlu.fsf@HIDDEN> From: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@HIDDEN> To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> In-Reply-To: <87tupu3cdd.fsf@HIDDEN> (message from Lars Ingebrigtsen on Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:25:18 +0100) Subject: Re: bug#46853: Confusing terminology "face height" instead of "font size" References: <CADwFkm=vsDvdEnmpo5BzBTTM=c-ETYHu3AxC-7ZSwT-pxvSK_A@HIDDEN> <875z2a4x2c.fsf@HIDDEN> <CADwFkmkF74NBPP+Hai-JUTD4UEiBXFiGHYaEkvx7TovCeNxdrQ@HIDDEN> <87tupu3cdd.fsf@HIDDEN> X-Spam-Score: -0.7 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org, stefan@HIDDEN X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) > From: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> > Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2021 20:25:18 +0100 > Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org > > (when text-scale-mode > (face-remap--remap-face 'default) > (when text-scale-remap-header-line > (face-remap--remap-face 'header-line))) > > So, OK, it's not just the `default' face, but also `header-line' > optionally. :-) You can remap other faces by hand, but that's not the original question. > > But I'd argue that it's a bug -- why shouldn't `C-x C-+' adjust > > the size of `variable-pitch'? > > I don't know the history of the command... could it be because > remapping all faces would just be too slow? No, it's because enlarging _all_ faces makes no sense.
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46853; Package emacs.
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bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46853; Package emacs.
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Content preview: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > So, OK, it's not just the `default' face, but also `header-line' > optionally. :-) Playing with this a bit more, I'm getting a bit confused here... `C-x C-+' does indeed change the size of all the faces -- I had Content analysis details: (-2.9 points, 5.0 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -1.0 ALL_TRUSTED Passed through trusted hosts only via SMTP -1.9 BAYES_00 BODY: Bayes spam probability is 0 to 1% [score: 0.0000] X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) X-Debbugs-Envelope-To: 46853 Cc: 46853 <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-BeenThere: debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.18 Precedence: list List-Id: <debbugs-submit.debbugs.gnu.org> List-Unsubscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/options/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=unsubscribe> List-Archive: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/private/debbugs-submit/> List-Post: <mailto:debbugs-submit <at> debbugs.gnu.org> List-Help: <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=help> List-Subscribe: <https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/debbugs-submit>, <mailto:debbugs-submit-request <at> debbugs.gnu.org?subject=subscribe> Errors-To: debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org Sender: "Debbugs-submit" <debbugs-submit-bounces <at> debbugs.gnu.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@HIDDEN> writes: > So, OK, it's not just the `default' face, but also `header-line' > optionally. :-) Playing with this a bit more, I'm getting a bit confused here... `C-x C-+' does indeed change the size of all the faces -- I had (set-face-attribute 'variable-pitch nil :height 120) in my .emacs. So you're totally right; sorry for the confusion here. -- (domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.) bloggy blog: http://lars.ingebrigtsen.no
bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN:bug#46853; Package emacs.
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How about showing a > patch, or at least the full list of places where you think we have > similar problems? This should IMO be handled on a case by case basis > anyway. Agreed, so here's a tentative diff. 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I'm not seeing
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Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN> writes:
> Hmm, I'm not seeing the same here in emacs -Q.
Does it really make the faces bigger... or just add more vertical blank
space? It just calls:
(when text-scale-mode
(face-remap--remap-face 'default)
(when text-scale-remap-header-line
(face-remap--remap-face 'header-line)))
So, OK, it's not just the `default' face, but also `header-line'
optionally. :-)
> But I'd argue that it's a bug -- why shouldn't `C-x C-+' adjust
> the size of `variable-pitch'?
I don't know the history of the command... could it be because
remapping all faces would just be too slow?
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For example, the documentation for `text-scale-adjust' currently says: "Adjust the height of the default face by INC." This is harder than it needs to be to understand, since the rest of the world actually talks about "increase font size". IOW, it would be more clear if it said: "Adjust the font size in the current buffer by INC steps." [This would also move talking about the `default' face further down, as that is more of an implementation detail mostly of interest when programming ELisp.] Behind the scenes obviously a "face" is different from a "font" (as it is rather a set of features that includes the font, formatting, etc.). We should absolutely maintain that terminology. We should also maintain that if you want to customize the look of Emacs, including font size, you need to customize this thing we call "faces". As part of this, we could also consider introducing a new property for `defface' called :size. (Or :font-size and :font-scale which would allow for semantics where we can specify :font-size 14 and mean 14pt rather than 1.4pt.)
Stefan Kangas <stefan@HIDDEN>:bug-gnu-emacs@HIDDEN.
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