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Recently i saw WebKit failing to build on Cuirass=2E

For Guix System it ought to be in the Manual:
"Setting up FHS for auxiliary applications obtained from upstream Free bin=
aries"=2E

This way Joe has a base system which is obviously important to keep reprob=
uilt=2E
Then Joe happily pile things on top of it, rather than install Guix on top=
 of legacy=2E

Will definitely try this myself, but if someone already has notes and so, =
do share=2E
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Recently i saw WebKit failing to build on Cuirass=2E<br><br>For Guix System=
 it ought to be in the Manual:<br>"Setting up FHS for auxiliary application=
s obtained from upstream Free binaries"=2E<br><br>This way Joe has a base s=
ystem which is obviously important to keep reprobuilt=2E<br>Then Joe happil=
y pile things on top of it, rather than install Guix on top of legacy=2E<br=
><br>Will definitely try this myself, but if someone already has notes and =
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I see how Guix bundles are built=2E  I think, Proot is a better way than `g=
uix fhs`=2E

/        --- =D0=93=D0=BD=D1=83 =D0=9B=D0=B8=D0=BD=D1=8C=D0=B3 =D0=A0=D1=
=83=D1=82 (-u-)=2E
/home/tldr/debian        --- Joe's FHS (=2E/bin, =2E/usr, =2E=2E=2E)

`proot -R /home/tldr/debian`=2E  `wget tor-browser-why-not`=2E  `=2E/sus-s=
hady-run`=2E

Proot is a user-process=2E  It should do GUI apps well (worked for Nixo Mc=
Test)=2E
Still want FHS maded with Scheme (if it is possible to link against /lib i=
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I see how Guix bundles are built=2E  I think, Proot is a better way than `g=
uix fhs`=2E<br><br>/        --- =D0=93=D0=BD=D1=83 =D0=9B=D0=B8=D0=BD=D1=8C=
=D0=B3 =D0=A0=D1=83=D1=82 (-u-)=2E<br>/home/tldr/debian        --- Joe's FH=
S (=2E/bin, =2E/usr, =2E=2E=2E)<br><br>`proot -R /home/tldr/debian`=2E  `wg=
et tor-browser-why-not`=2E  `=2E/sus-shady-run`=2E<br><br>Proot is a user-p=
rocess=2E  It should do GUI apps well (worked for Nixo McTest)=2E<br>Still =
want FHS maded with Scheme (if it is possible to link against /lib inside=
=2E=2E=2E)=2E
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Hi,

Vitaliy Shatrov <guix.vits@HIDDEN> skribis:

> Recently i saw WebKit failing to build on Cuirass.
>
> For Guix System it ought to be in the Manual:
> "Setting up FHS for auxiliary applications obtained from upstream Free bi=
naries".
>
> This way Joe has a base system which is obviously important to keep repro=
built.
> Then Joe happily pile things on top of it, rather than install Guix on to=
p of legacy.
>
> Will definitely try this myself, but if someone already has notes and so,=
 do share.

To be clear, you=E2=80=99re advocating for the ability to create an FHS
environment, right?

Thanks,
Ludo=E2=80=99.

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Aha=2E


> create an FHS environment, right?

And to put in the manual the best way to get it=2E

Proot has troubles with Chromium=2E
Unshare has troubles with all, more or less=2E
Some apps surprisingly easy to start, though=2E

=2E=2E Some sort of FHS on demand, or NS maded right would help a lot on S=
ystem=2E
To start binary releases from upstream, and elsewhere (deb, rpm, pacman)=
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Hi,

Vitaliy Shatrov <guix.vits@HIDDEN> skribis:

>> create an FHS environment, right?
>
> And to put in the manual the best way to get it.

Alright, I guess we can tag it as =E2=80=9Cwishlist=E2=80=9D then.  :-)

Thanks for clarifying,
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retitle 47265 Provide and/or document a way to get an FHS environment
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